What does CHANGE mean to Barack Obama?

Im still here

From some research I've done it really seems to me that CHANGE means more of the same to Mr. Obama.

Seems to me when it comes down to something that will equate CHANGE he chooses to not vote.

Is that what he will do when he is President?

Concerned Citizen, "Mr. President will you choose to sign it or to veto it?"

President Obama, "I will abstain from answering that on the grounds that I may piss off The Corporations that control me."

complete voting record: http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=BS030017

I guess I could laugh at this, but honestly I find nothing funny about it.......

Strangest Tribe

Im still here wrote:

From some research I've done it really seems to me that CHANGE means more of the same to Mr. Obama.

Seems to me when it comes down to something that will equate CHANGE he chooses to not vote.

Is that what he will do when he is President?

Concerned Citizen, "Mr. President will you choose to sign it or to veto it?"

President Obama, "I will abstain from answering that on the grounds that I may piss off The Corporations that control me."

complete voting record: http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=BS030017

I guess I could laugh at this, but honestly I find nothing funny about it.......

sometimes the best answer is no answer at all

Rhinocerous Surprise

Im still here wrote:

From some research I've done it really seems to me that CHANGE means more of the same to Mr. Obama.

Seems to me when it comes down to something that will equate CHANGE he chooses to not vote.

Is that what he will do when he is President?

Concerned Citizen, "Mr. President will you choose to sign it or to veto it?"

President Obama, "I will abstain from answering that on the grounds that I may piss off The Corporations that control me."

complete voting record: http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=BS030017

I guess I could laugh at this, but honestly I find nothing funny about it.......

Things never change.




(Cos they stay exactly the same way God initially designed them, right?):D

stuckinline

is anyone really expecting ANY 'change', regardless of who is elected? ask yourself, how will your daily life change? you will still get up every morning, go to work, pay taxes........

the only real 'change' i see is that bush is gone

prism

stuckinline wrote:

is anyone really expecting ANY 'change', regardless of who is elected? ask yourself, how will your daily life change? you will still get up every morning, go to work, pay taxes........

the only real 'change' i see is that bush is gone

that's exactly a part of the problems...that being that vast majority of Americans look at politics as to how it will effect THEMSELF. how is anything ever going to change if everyone's only concern is for themselves and not the rest of the people that they must share this country (and world) with? maybe it should be about trying to make changes to make improvements for the better for everyone (or as many as possible) instead of just the status quo of "What's in it for Me?"

Im still here

Strangest Tribe wrote:

sometimes the best answer is no answer at all

bullshit......

this is someone who's goin' to be making decisions for all of us

KosmicJelli

Seems that we depend too much on other people to make change for us... if we want to make change we must take the responsibility!!!!!

gimmesometruth27

what does change mean to the original poster?

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gimmesometruth27 wrote:

what does change mean to the original poster?

Stop this needless War, bring the troops home

Fiscal responsibility

and transparency of Government

for a start

pretty simple........

DriftingByTheStorm

Im still here wrote:

Stop this needless War, bring the troops home

Fiscal responsibility

and transparency of Government

for a start

pretty simple........

I agree.

And i like the poster who said " ask yourself, how will your daily life change? you will still get up every morning, go to work, pay taxes........"

totaly ignoring the fact that there was, and still IS, one person in the race for president who would dramaticaly reduce your personal tax burden ... like your income tax would become ZERO.

Roll Model

i don't like hearing people say things like, "things will never change..."
if that was true, would black people be slaves still? would separate but equal still be up held? would abortion be illegal? would women be prohibited from voting? would the american people still be groaning under british parliment?

of course things change...but only if citizens band together to fight for what they believe in

but, with fat-lazy-over stimulated citizens, yes positive change is far from a reality

Im still here

Roll Model wrote:

i don't like hearing people say things like, "things will never change..."
if that was true, would black people be slaves still? would separate but equal still be up held? would abortion be illegal? would women be prohibited from voting? would the american people still be groaning under british parliment?

of course things change...but only if citizens band together to fight for what they believe in

but, with fat-lazy-over stimulated citizens, yes positive change is far from a reality

Are you willing to die for Change?, they were

where is Malcolm X? wheres MLK?

what about all the other senseless people who died to make the Civil Rights Movement happen?

do you actually think us electing one man with the Mantra for Change will make it happen????........ think again.......

prism

Im still here wrote:

Are you willing to die for Change?, they were

where is Malcolm X? wheres MLK?

what about all the other senseless people who died to make the Civil Rights Movement happen?

do you actually think us electing one man with the Mantra for Change will make it happen????........ think again.......

WTF? unbelieveable. how can you call people that died in the civil rights movement in the efforts to insure the rights that were being denied to them and those of others senseless? you are not only disgusting and hopeless, you are clueless to the rights that YOU take for granted

here you go, read it for yourself

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

Im still here

prism wrote:

WTF? unbelieveable. how can you call people that died in the civil rights movement in the efforts to insure the rights that were being denied to them and those of others senseless? you are not only disgusting and hopeless, you are clueless to the rights that YOU take for granted

here you go, read it for yourself

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

you seemed to have missed my point that those deaths were senseless (any death is senseless to me)

and you missed the point, are you willing to die for the Change Barack speaks of, if not then don't count on anything changing

Collin

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Nevermind

Im still here wrote:

Are you willing to die for Change?, they were

where is Malcolm X? wheres MLK?

what about all the other senseless people who died to make the Civil Rights Movement happen?

do you actually think us electing one man with the Mantra for Change will make it happen????........ think again.......

I like hearing the word mantra. Sure beats the word change. That shits overrated.

Im still here

Nevermind wrote:

I like hearing the word mantra. Sure beats the word change. That shits overrated.

lmfao

prism

Im still here wrote:

you seemed to have missed my point that those deaths were senseless (any death is senseless to me)

and you missed the point, are you willing to die for the Change Barack speaks of, if not then don't count on anything changing

but you refered to them as senseless people. so if the case is that you feel any death is senseless you should have refered to their deaths as senseless. you seem to imply that their deaths were meaningless...and that's far from the case as their cause was equality and justice.


I am more than willing to vote for Obama (at least it's a small step in the right direction) so that things will change so that other people will not have to continue to die in this senseless war, foremost amongst many reasons. not that those serving in Iraq are senseless or meaningless by any means. what are you willing to do to take steps to see that the war comes to an end?

hint.... bitching about how nothing will never, ever change on a message board isn't taking any kind of step towards the goal of getting the troops home

Im still here

prism wrote:

but you refered to them as senseless people. so if the case is that you feel any death is senseless you should have refered to their deaths as senseless. you seem to imply that their deaths were meaningless...and that's far from the case as their cause was equality and justice.


I am more than willing to vote for Obama (at least it's a small step in the right direction) so that things will change so that other people will not have to continue to die in this senseless war, foremost amongst many reasons. not that those serving in Iraq are senseless or meaningless by any means. what are you willing to do to take steps to see that the war comes to an end?

hint.... bitching about how nothing will never, ever change on a message board isn't taking any kind of step towards the goal of getting the troops home

He has already stated that he is NOT bringin' the Troops home. His plan is for Redeployment, that doesn't sound like bringin' troops home to me.......

Bringing Troops home and Redeployment don't have the same meanings, do they?

prism

Im still here wrote:

He has already stated that he is NOT bringin' the Troops home. His plan is for Redeployment, that doesn't sound like bringin' troops home to me.......

Bringing Troops home and Redeployment don't have the same meanings, do they?

where do you get this shit? show a reliable link that shows where he has stated that he plans to redeploy the troops.



Bring Our Troops Home: Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats.

Nevermind

prism wrote:

where do you get this shit? show a reliable link that shows where he has stated that he plans to redeploy the troops.



Bring Our Troops Home: Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats.

George Bush also ran his campaign on a humble foreign policy. It seemed to work out.

Im still here

prism wrote:

where do you get this shit? show a reliable link that shows where he has stated that he plans to redeploy the troops.



Bring Our Troops Home: Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats.

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070515-obama_statement_57/index.php

Im still here

Drawing down our troops in Iraq will allow us to redeploy additional troops to Northern Iraq and elsewhere in the region as an over-the-horizon force. This force could help prevent the conflict in Iraq from becoming a wider war, consolidate gains in Northern Iraq, reassure allies in the Gulf, allow our troops to strike directly at al Qaeda wherever it may exist, and demonstrate to international terrorist organizations that they have not driven us from the region.

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/11/20/a_way_forward_in_iraq.php

prism

Im still here wrote:

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070515-obama_statement_57/index.php

please learn how to read.



Tuesday, May 15, 2007


Today, 1518 days after it began, the war in Iraq rages on, with no sign of a resolution.”

“The Iraqi people appear no closer to the settling their differences. The Iraqi government is more divided and dysfunctional than ever. The Iraqi parliament speaks of adjourning for the summer, without addressing the major issues standing in the way of a ceasefire. And our brave young servicemen and women are still fighting and dying to police someone else's civil war.”

“I opposed this war from the start for all the reasons that are now clear.”

“In January, I introduced a plan that already would have begun redeploying our troops out of Iraq, with the goal of removing all of our combat troops by March 31. But it also would offer enough flexibility to delay our exit in the event that the Iraqis responded with meaningful steps toward peace. I still believe in that approach, which the President vetoed earlier this month. Ultimately, I think it will become the framework for a bipartisan coalition the President can't resist.”

“Today, I have reintroduced that plan.”

“Tomorrow, I expect cloture votes on two other proposals. One is the Reid-Feingold plan, which would begin a withdrawal of troops in 120 days and end all combat operations on April 1. The other is Senator Levin's proposal, which would create standards and benchmarks for additional funding.”

“I will support both, not because I believe either is the best answer, but because I want to send a strong statement to the Iraqi government, the President and my Republican colleagues that it's long past time to change course.”

“Meanwhile, I'll continue to press for my own plan, and work to find the 16 votes in the Senate to pass it with a veto-proof majority and bring our troops home quickly, safely and responsibly.”

Im still here

I introduced a plan that already would have begun redeploying our troops out of Iraq.

Out of Iraq does not mean home.

Redployment does not mean home.

He actually contradicts himself in the same statement.

Typical politician (Change = same old shit?)

Im still here

Im still here wrote:

Drawing down our troops in Iraq will allow us to redeploy additional troops to Northern Iraq and elsewhere in the region as an over-the-horizon force. This force could help prevent the conflict in Iraq from becoming a wider war, consolidate gains in Northern Iraq, reassure allies in the Gulf, allow our troops to strike directly at al Qaeda wherever it may exist, and demonstrate to international terrorist organizations that they have not driven us from the region.

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/11/20/a_way_forward_in_iraq.php

Did you read this one?

prism

Im still here wrote:

I introduced a plan that already would have begun redeploying our troops out of Iraq.

Out of Iraq does not mean home.

Redployment does not mean home.

He actually contradicts himself in the same statement.

Typical politician (Change = same old shit?)

you failed to comprehend the last paragraph that i highlighted.

“Meanwhile, I'll continue to press for my own plan, and work to find the 16 votes in the Senate to pass it with a veto-proof majority and bring our troops home quickly, safely and responsibly.”

prism

Im still here wrote:

Did you read this one?

yes, I read the whole thing. you took one paragraph of it out of context, thus making your claim not amount to a hill of beans

Im still here

prism wrote:

you failed to comprehend the last paragraph that i highlighted.

“Meanwhile, I'll continue to press for my own plan, and work to find the 16 votes in the Senate to pass it with a veto-proof majority and bring our troops home quickly, safely and responsibly.”

I did comprehend it

and it struck me as a typical Politician

He actually contradicts himself in the same statement.

You are just in denial that he changes his stances like he changes his underwear

thus, Obama = the same old shit

Im still here

Im still here wrote:

Drawing down our troops in Iraq will allow us to redeploy additional troops to Northern Iraq and elsewhere in the region as an over-the-horizon force. This force could help prevent the conflict in Iraq from becoming a wider war, consolidate gains in Northern Iraq, reassure allies in the Gulf, allow our troops to strike directly at al Qaeda wherever it may exist, and demonstrate to international terrorist organizations that they have not driven us from the region.

http://www.barackobama.com/2006/11/20/a_way_forward_in_iraq.php

so you are sayin he didn't mean this?

sweet adeline

hey i'm still here, why do you have such a hard on for obama? you've started like 5 threads ripping on the guy.