In My Opinion

Im still hereIm still here Posts: 826
edited February 2008 in A Moving Train
Look it is pretty simple, we only have three choices to vote for.....
Huckabee and Ron Paul are out. (they will not win the nomination, period) As much as it saddens me to say this, the fact remains it is the truth.

With that said, our only choices are Clinton, Obama, and McCain. anyone who disagrees with this has no idea what they are saying and should be ignored.

I'll start with McWar. If you want more War he is your man, without a doubt. As Americans we owe it to ourselves and our children to not let this happen at all cost. (note, if you are very rich and want tax breaks and corporate rule he is your man too)

Clinton, to be honest, I don't know that much about. When I found out she met with the Bilderberg Group in 2006 I figured she is the chosen one, and I just can't in all honesty vote for her. Plus, her stance on forced Socialized Medicine and garnishing people's wages to pay for her plan is a big turn off too. And, in one Debate she basically said she wants more War and her voting record shows it.

That brings us to Obama. I don't like the man but out of the evil I see it seems to me he is the lesser of all the evils. I know this is not the way to come to a decision of who I will vote for. But how else can I choose?

To all those who say he is our Saviour I very vehemently deny that outright. But the fact remains he is the lesser of all evils. He is a Member of the CFR like the other two Candidates above, and if he's not, at the very least he is pandering to the CFR . He is wishy washy on the War issue. He is Pro-Israeli which I don't like very much. And his Change mantra is grating on my last nerve. Plus he is funded by Corporate America which is a big red flag in my book.

The State where I live, Texas, is an Open Primary State so even though I registered as a Republican so I could vote for Ron Paul I can still vote for whoever I choose. And March 4th is approaching fast.

I am now left with a sick feeling inside that our Democracy is broken and our Politicians are bought and paid for by Corporate America which is not the way it is supposed to be..........but it is that way.

I will be voting in the Democratic Primary because 100 years of War is not appealing to me at all. And I have even contemplated not voting at all, but that isn't really an option either.

So to all those people on this Pit who hate on me because I point out Obama's faults. Just understand the only reason I do that is because he is not our Saviour and I am almost positive no CHANGE will happen at all. Just 4 more years of the same shit.

In short, McCain = 100 years of War

Clinton = 20 years of War

Obama = 5-10 years of War

What a choice, huh?
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PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
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INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Look it is pretty simple, we only have three choices to vote for.....
    Huckabee and Ron Paul are out. (they will not win the nomination, period) As much as it saddens me to say this, the fact remains it is the truth.

    With that said, our only choices are Clinton, Obama, and McCain. anyone who disagrees with this has no idea what they are saying and should be ignored.

    I'll start with McWar. If you want more War he is your man, without a doubt. As Americans we owe it to ourselves and our children to not let this happen at all cost. (note, if you are very rich and want tax breaks and corporate rule he is your man too)

    Clinton, to be honest, I don't know that much about. When I found out she met with the Bilderberg Group in 2006 I figured she is the chosen one, and I just can't in all honesty vote for her. Plus, her stance on forced Socialized Medicine and garnishing people's wages to pay for her plan is a big turn off too. And, in one Debate she basically said she wants more War and her voting record shows it.

    That brings us to Obama. I don't like the man but out of the evil I see it seems to me he is the lesser of all the evils. I know this is not the way to come to a decision of who I will vote for. But how else can I choose?

    To all those who say he is our Saviour I very vehemently deny that outright. But the fact remains he is the lesser of all evils. He is a Member of the CFR like the other two Candidates above, and if he's not, at the very least he is pandering to the CFR . He is wishy washy on the War issue. He is Pro-Israeli which I don't like very much. And his Change mantra is grating on my last nerve. Plus he is funded by Corporate America which is a big red flag in my book.

    The State where I live, Texas, is an Open Primary State so even though I registered as a Republican so I could vote for Ron Paul I can still vote for whoever I choose. And March 4th is approaching fast.

    I am now left with a sick feeling inside that our Democracy is broken and our Politicians are bought and paid for by Corporate America which is not the way it is supposed to be..........but it is that way.

    I will be voting in the Democratic Primary because 100 years of War is not appealing to me at all. And I have even contemplated not voting at all, but that isn't really an option either.

    So to all those people on this Pit who hate on me because I point out Obama's faults. Just understand the only reason I do that is because he is not our Saviour and I am almost positive no CHANGE will happen at all. Just 4 more years of the same shit.

    In short, McCain = 100 years of War

    Clinton = 20 years of War

    Obama = 5-10 years of War

    What a choice, huh?

    In MY opinion, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Obama funded by corporate America? Where do you get this shit. That is the complete opposite of the truth.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • cornnifer wrote:
    In MY opinion, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Obama funded by corporate America? Where do you get this shit. That is the complete opposite of the truth.

    maybe your IQ isn't as high as you think it is

    read it and weep

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008
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    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • maybe your IQ isn't as high as you think it is

    read it and weep

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008

    Then if you look to the right it says...

    HOW TO READ THIS CHART: This chart lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families.

    the depth of sources this guy pulls out of the asshole of the internet is very entertaining...

    "and those individuals' immediate families" why the fuck are they lumped into that number? Another bang up source you found there...
    10.31.93 / 10.1.94 / 6.24.95 / 11.4.95 / 10.19-20.96 / 7.16.98 / 7.21.98 / 10.31.00 /8.4.01 Nader Rally/ 10.21.01 / 12.8-9.02 / 6.01.03 / 9.1.05 / 7.15-16,18.06 / 7.20.06 / 7.22-23.06 / Lolla 07
  • Then if you look to the right it says...

    HOW TO READ THIS CHART: This chart lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families.

    the depth of sources this guy pulls out of the asshole of the internet is very entertaining...

    "and those individuals' immediate families" why the fuck are they lumped into that number? Another bang up source you found there...

    well no shit, that's what they say

    chances are those donations were not made by individuals

    that is just another way to subvert the electoral process

    WAKE UP!!!!!!!!
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    All candidates are funded by corporate America.

    The rest of your post was a puff piece stating your feelings.
  • aNiMaL wrote:
    All candidates are funded by corporate America.

    The rest of your post was a puff piece stating your feelings.

    Ron Paul is not funded by Corporate America

    so you are wrong

    period
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    Ron Paul is not funded by Corporate America

    so you are wrong

    period
    Pardon me for the missed implication. I meant viable candidates. I thought you knew that based on your own admission that Ron Paul has no chance.
  • aNiMaL wrote:
    Pardon me for the missed implication. I meant viable candidates. I thought you knew that based on your own admission that Ron Paul has no chance.

    you said all, so I was taking you at face value

    the title of the thread clearly states, "In My Opinion"
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    whats with the fucking exclamation point on every one of your posts?


    annoying as hell...
  • maybe your IQ isn't as high as you think it is

    read it and weep

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008

    All candidates are funded by corporations, what's your point?
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • All candidates are funded by corporations, what's your point?

    my point is his mantra is Change

    where's the Change?
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • my2hands wrote:
    whats with the fucking exclamation point on every one of your posts?


    annoying as hell...

    cool

    so you mean it IS working
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • my point is his mantra is Change

    where's the Change?

    He never said he was going to change fundraising.
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    my point is his mantra is Change

    where's the Change?
    At this point any shift in policy can only be a welcome change.
  • He never said he was going to change fundraising.

    actually he never said what he would Change

    at all

    and you dumbasses are falling for it
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • Commy wrote:
    At this point any shift in policy can only be a welcome change.

    don't forget things can change for the worse

    ....not for the better

    (maybe that's what he means)

    maybe that's what he means by Redeployment

    War with Iran and Pakistan

    wouldn't that be a change?
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08

  • and you dumbasses are falling for it

    Who out of us believes in the invisible man? YOU... so from my point of view YOU are the dumbass. But let me guess... you are more righteous cause you got Jesus right?

    whatever... im done with you and your moronic posts... I think it is safe to say guys anything Im still here posts isnt worth reading...
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  • Who out of us believes in the invisible man? YOU... so from my point of view YOU are the dumbass. But let me guess... you are more righteous cause you got Jesus right?

    whatever... im done with you and your moronic posts... I think it is safe to say guys anything Im still here posts isnt worth reading...

    so what you are saying is critical thinking isn't worth your time

    just keep believing what the Mainstream Media tells you to believe ok

    maybe our IQ as a Nation will slip another few points, who cares anyway, right?

    and no this has nothing to with Jesus, this has to do with someone lying about change and the mass public eating it up while the Candidate that is really for change is banned from the MSM and the War continues
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • actually he never said what he would Change

    at all

    and you dumbasses are falling for it

    Pretty much any intelligent person you ask would say that W has been a disaster as a President, even the schmucks in his own party have conceded this. I really don't see what's so bad about Obama. He actually seems like a fairly enlightened soul compared to the other candidates.
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • Pretty much any intelligent person you ask would say that W has been a disaster as a President, even the schmucks in his own party have conceded this. I really don't see what's so bad about Obama. He actually seems like a fairly enlightened soul compared to the other candidates.

    like I said I will probably vote for him but I don't think he is the best man for the job

    just the lesser of all the evils I have to choose from

    I do realize no Candidate can please everyone

    I just wish he would release this plan for change so I can judge for myself whether I think he will equate the change he speaks of

    just spouting the word change and making charismatic speeches isn't cutting it for me
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    don't forget things can change for the worse

    ....not for the better

    (maybe that's what he means)

    maybe that's what he means by Redeployment

    War with Iran and Pakistan

    wouldn't that be a change?


    we'll see how much of a Hawk Obama is.

    Its really a sad state of affairs. The Iraq war should have been a central issue this election. Instead its simply "change". What change he will bring is the question. I have little faith in the corporate candidates. Business as usual.
  • like i said in my original post, this is not an option

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oj_YtY-EZQ
    PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • my point is his mantra is Change

    where's the Change?

    In your hand.

    If Obama has his way, and implements massively inflationary entitlement programs, while continuing this war (okay okay, pulling out "orderly" ... which i read as SLOW AS ..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................)

    ... if he does that ...

    the change will be what is left in your hand after the rest of your dollar's value dissapears in thin air.

    You will be left holding some nickles and dimes,
    and going ... "Change!"
    "yes we can!"

    WOO HOO!
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • In your hand.

    If Obama has his way, and implements massively inflationary entitlement programs, while continuing this war (okay okay, pulling out "orderly" ... which i read as SLOW AS ..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................)

    ... if he does that ...

    the change will be what is left in your hand after the rest of your dollar's value dissapears in thin air.

    You will be left holding some nickles and dimes,
    and going ... "Change!"
    "yes we can!"

    WOO HOO!

    Drifting... "end the war in 2009"... come on man...
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  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    Pretty much any intelligent person you ask would say that W has been a disaster as a President, even the schmucks in his own party have conceded this. I really don't see what's so bad about Obama. He actually seems like a fairly enlightened soul compared to the other candidates.


    Obama does come across as enlightened and he can certainly inspire a crowd. He delivers speaches very well, but to me it seems like feel good rhetoric. I can't envision his plan for America, because what I've heard of it is so vague and open to subjective interpretation.

    I fear that everybody is hearing what they want to hear from a very eloquent and impassioned speaker. I admire the way he has been able to inspire enthusiasm in our nation, but at the end of the day I want somebody in office who is ready for the job.

    I am concerned that the Republicans will chew Obama up and spit him out if he ends up being the Democratic candidate. I do not want another Republican in office.

    I am fortunate to live in an area that votes 83% Democrat no matter who is on the ballot. So come election day I have the luxury of voting for who I'd really like to see as President (in my little utopian world), even if I have to write it in.

    I wish luck to all of you voting in nailbiter-down-to-the-last-vote areas.
    Walking can be a real trip
    ***********************
    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
    ***********************
    Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
  • melodiousmelodious Posts: 1,719
    aNiMaL wrote:
    All candidates are funded by corporate America.

    The rest of your post was a puff piece stating your feelings.
    obama is very popular in the under 30 crowd...i just don't think he is empathetic towards immigration...

    support small business and get the corporate vote out....


    try reading my signature; this cat's a real winner....write in your option...

    i voted for Dennis...vote your conscious; forget the rest...


    your vote doesn't matter in the big sea of sharks, but universally and other ways, our thoughts come back to us...do we want to have erratic wave patterns bashing at us? or do we want to surf those waves...?
    all insanity:
    a derivitive of nature.
    nature is god
    god is love
    love is light
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    so what you are saying is critical thinking isn't worth your time

    just keep believing what the Mainstream Media tells you to believe ok

    maybe our IQ as a Nation will slip another few points, who cares anyway, right?
    You seem to have an obsession with IQ. First of all, i question yours is as high as you claim. For the sake of discussion, lets say yours is, as you claim, above average (still lower than mine ;) ), allow me to reiterate IQ MEANS JACK SHIT! It doesn't mean a damn thing and is in no way a true indicator of actual intelligence. What is much more telling are the words and ideas that come out of one's metaphorical mouth, and you, to be brutally honest, really sell yourself short.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Obama does come across as enlightened and he can certainly inspire a crowd. He delivers speaches very well, but to me it seems like feel good rhetoric. I can't envision his plan for America, because what I've heard of it is so vague and open to subjective interpretation.

    I fear that everybody is hearing what they want to hear from a very eloquent and impassioned speaker. I admire the way he has been able to inspire enthusiasm in our nation, but at the end of the day I want somebody in office who is ready for the job.

    I am concerned that the Republicans will chew Obama up and spit him out if he ends up being the Democratic candidate. I do not want another Republican in office.

    I am fortunate to live in an area that votes 83% Democrat no matter who is on the ballot. So come election day I have the luxury of voting for who I'd really like to see as President (in my little utopian world), even if I have to write it in.

    I wish luck to all of you voting in nailbiter-down-to-the-last-vote areas.
    Here we go again. Somebody explain to me when charisma, and superb articulation skills became a flaw and liability. The content is there. This is a dumb argument.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • cornnifer wrote:
    Here we go again. Somebody explain to me when charisma, and superb articulation skills became a flaw and liability. The content is there. This is a dumb argument.

    what content?

    change, change, change?

    I wanna see a real plan for change

    not just words repeated over and over
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    PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
    INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
    INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
    Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
    INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
    Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    what content?

    change, change, change?

    I wanna see a real plan for change

    not just words repeated over and over

    The content is there. The plan is there. Pull your head out of Ron Paul's butthole and listen.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
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