Joe the Plumber does foreign policy

PJ_Saluki

Collin wrote:

What's the better option? How about looking at it objectively, instead of choosing one side to be your best friend, whom you will support every day and every moment.

I typed it before, but I'll do it again: 1. It's incredibly tough for a candidate to win without support from Jewish people, especially in Fla.; 2. Diplomacy has overt and covert levels and exterior support isn't always the same as what goes on behind closed doors.

It's also been U.S. foreign policy to support Israel since we helped Jews get their own state after WWII. Like I wrote before, I hope Obama (if he wins) really takes on Israel for the way it has dealt with Palestinians and I hope it leads to a more tenable peace in that part of the world.

PJ_Saluki

iamica wrote:

My sentiments exactly. I don't see why this guy is even still in the public eye.

McCain-Palin bring his name up at rallies when it's time to talk economy. He's the supposed everyman, like Tito-the-builder and some-other-name-and-whatever-they-do.

McCain and his handlers really think this planted example of the middle class rally hits home with voters. I guess it does with the GOP base, but I don't know how much traction he gives them with undecideds. I'd like to think people can see through the charade, but I doubt it most times.

puremagic

Joe the Plumber represents exactly what the McCain and Palin camps have become, a scam on everything that is decent about the American people.

How pathetic the Palin/McCain campaign has become that he would let this so called Joe the Plumber represent his campaign at speaking engagements. A man without principles. A man who doesn't pay his taxes. A man who lied about starting up a small business. A man who was and is nothing more than a scam artist.

Collin

PJ_Saluki wrote:

I typed it before, but I'll do it again: 1. It's incredibly tough for a candidate to win without support from Jewish people, especially in Fla.; 2. Diplomacy has overt and covert levels and exterior support isn't always the same as what goes on behind closed doors.

It's also been U.S. foreign policy to support Israel since we helped Jews get their own state after WWII. Like I wrote before, I hope Obama (if he wins) really takes on Israel for the way it has dealt with Palestinians and I hope it leads to a more tenable peace in that part of the world.

1. This only shows how fucked up the system is and how Obama goes along with it.

Do you honestly think he will take on Israel objectively when he has already promised his support and he stresses the importance of their friendship.

Israel is a terrorist state and the US supports it.

mammasan

Just think we could possibly be electing a VP candidate who has the same amount of foreign policy experience as Joe the Plumber.

Gonzo1977

Where the hell is Walter Sobchak when you need him??

Someone seriously needs to tell this jackoff Joe "The Unlicensed Tax Evading Plumber" that he's out of his fucking element.

This idiot should stick to un-clogging toilets and accept that his 15 minutes of fame have long passed him by.

This guy is quite possibly the biggest douchebag in America right now.

blackredyellow

What kills me is that the McCain camp is legitimizing this guy... It's another example of a campaign that has spun out of control. Between the stories of Palin going rogue, the infighting and Joe the plumber on the stump making idiotic comments, Rick Davis and the co-chairs have lost total control over their campaign at the worst possible time. Add this to the fact that there is no organized ground game, the outcome doesn't look good for McCain.

anotherclone

JTP seems like a douche of epic proportions. I'd be interested in knowing if the McCain campaign paying this guy.

thunderDAN

we are all not like Joe the Plumber here in Ohio

Cosmo

Well... at least we know that Joe The Plumber's foriegn policy knowledge is about the same as Felix the Cat's.

digster

The thing about Joe the Plumber is that the McCain camp obviously wants him and "what he represents" to be this game-changing seminal moment in the campaign that turns everything on its' head, that 'October surprise.' The thing about the game-changers is that a campaign rarely, if ever, is able to conjure them up or invent them out of nothingness. They happen naturally. Reagan's "there you go again" comment to either Carter or Mondale (I think Mondale) wasn't meant to be a game-changer, but it naturally became one because that's the way the mood of the country was turning, and a pivotal moment highlighted it. Just because McCain and his camp mention Joe the Plumber every chance they get doesn't mean it's going to be one of those moments. They're trying to push a square peg into a round hole when those aforementioned seminal moments are usually effortless.

prytoj

"This idiot should stick to un-clogging toilets and accept that his 15 minutes of fame have long passed him by."

Word. Get a book deal and retire. The fact that he would say what he said shows he's not fit for politics. That rhetoric helped no one.

A couple quick points:

Lieberman, a senator who is jewish and who sits in caucus with democrats, backs McCain

The fact that Obama has a pretty solid rapport with Rashid Khalidi.

I think it's clear who the BETTER friend of Isreal would be, no matter where you fall on the issue.

It's very difficult for an outsider to really know what's gone wrong in the Ireali/Palestinian conflict, even when one looks at the history of the conflict.
Very difficult situation. I personally don't understand why folks won't stop killing eachother in the name of religion, but whatever.

Maybe some of the smart folks here can educate.

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

digster

Somewhat unrelated, but what pisses me off is that come the seventh-year of the past two eight-year terms, both Clinton and Bush seemed like it would be a good idea to go "legacy-hunting" by trying to solve the Middle East conflict. Both times, it's completely been vanity; what do these presidents expect to solve in one year? It concluded in some wonky peace deal at the end of Clinton's term that didn't solve matters, and the Bush administration seems to have dropped the idea entirely. Why won't these people get working on the peace process and the two-state solution in their FIRST year in office, rather than their last?

kenny olav

this election makes me laugh sometimes. joe the plumber. what the fuck.

but anyway, Joe Biden is one of the most ardent Zionists in our government. the man delivered the eulogy for Tom Lantos, for chrissake.

MrBrian

Kenny Olav wrote:

this election makes me laugh sometimes. joe the plumber. what the fuck.

but anyway, Joe Biden is one of the most ardent Zionists in our government. the man delivered the eulogy for Tom Lantos, for chrissake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmD0G2iASk0

MayDay10

PJ_Saluki wrote:

Are you not familiar with FOX News? If the morning show would've interviewed Joe they probably would have fallen all over themselves to agree, especially the weather man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5XPK02XMi0

To my surprise, I see Foxnews here tearing Joe the Republican a new one. Also kind of shedding the McCain campaign in a negative light for this.

jimed14

MayDay10 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5XPK02XMi0

To my surprise, I see Foxnews here tearing Joe the Republican a new one. Also kind of shedding the McCain campaign in a negative light for this.

got to give Shepard Smith credit for this ... he's probably going to lose his Christmas bonus from Rupert, but, it was nice to see.

Smith - "Joe do you know Barack Obama's positions on Israel?"

Joe the Fraud - "Let people go out and find why they would think I would say that." which means 'no, but Sean Hannity told me he's bad for Israel' ....


AGAIN ... Watch the whole exchange between Joe and Obama ... watch the whole thing ... Joe would do better under OBAMA'S plan! He could have bought the business QUICKER under Obama's plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ilwk_wmsQk

MayDay10

is it a coincidence they picked a guy who looks just like Jason Hawes the plumber from Ghost Hunters?

Smartypants

Joe the Plumber stood up John McCain at a rally today!

"Joe? Joe? Joe where are you? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller..."

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=j1TT7gt5F0w

Vedderlution_Baby

Smartypants wrote:

Joe the Plumber stood up John McCain at a rally today!

"Joe? Joe? Do we have Joe here? Bueller? Bueller?..."

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=j1TT7gt5F0w

Jesus.