Joe the Plumber does foreign policy

Smartypants

Joe the Plumber now says that an Obama presidency would mean death to Israel. He has no foreign policy experience, he offers nothing to back this up and when confronted with Obama's actual position regarding Israel he simply says that you can't believe politicians.

It's laughable and tragic that this is what the McCain campaign has come to, putting this guy out there on the stump and letting him talk foreign policy in front of a camera.

Even Shepard Smith seems exasperated. At the end of the interview he says, "Man, it just gets frightening sometimes"

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=w_0bdh2GQiI

Vedderlution_Baby

I really don't see how he can honestly say that he wants everyone to make their own opinions and not listen to him.

Open

I'd love to get Joe in the hockey rink, what a pos......

Collin

"... Barack Obama has said repeatedly, time after time, that there is nothing more important than the United States's friendship with Israel and that the US will back up Israel every moment of every day if and when he becomes president of the US..."


That's the really scary part, if you ask me, not some Joe Nobody who said something.

Change :rolleyes:

PJ_Saluki

Collin wrote:

"... Barack Obama has said repeatedly, time after time, that there is nothing more important than the United States's friendship with Israel and that the US will back up Israel every moment of every day if and when he becomes president of the US..."


That's the really scary part, if you ask me, not some Joe Nobody who said something.

Change :rolleyes:

It's better Obama should wash his hands of Israel and allow a second Holocaust? Or maybe the U.S. should ignore Israel and have them shoot off a nuke they've long been rumored to have?

Obama is in favor of two states -- one Palestinian, one Israeli. What's the better option?

Collin

PJ_Saluki wrote:

It's better Obama should wash his hands of Israel and allow a second Holocaust? Or maybe the U.S. should ignore Israel and have them shoot off a nuke they've long been rumored to have?

Obama is in favor of two states -- one Palestinian, one Israeli. What's the better option?

If Obama really thinks that nothing is more important than US friendship with Israel and if he truly intends to back up Israel every moment of every day, I'd say that disturbing, yes.

PJ_Saluki

Collin wrote:

If Obama really thinks that nothing is more important than US friendship with Israel and if he truly intends to back up Israel every moment of every day, I'd say that disturbing, yes.

But what's the better option?

Israel is a democracy in the middle of a decidedly undemocratic area of the world. They do some bad things to Palestinians and vice versa.

Diplomacy works on two levels: the outward displays and behind-the-scenes contact. It would be nice if Obama could finish what Clinton and others started and finally work out some compromise between both sides (if that's even possible).

MrBrian

PJ_Saluki wrote:

It's better Obama should wash his hands of Israel and allow a second Holocaust? Or maybe the U.S. should ignore Israel and have them shoot off a nuke they've long been rumored to have?

Where would this second holocaust come from? I think it's important to note that Israel is not doing it's part to improve the situation. Fact is they are doing everything to increase the tensions.

Israel has also been the worst friend America has. They are also killing many many people violating human rights everyday.

It is indeed very dangerous and scary to hear someone say that they support Israel that much, infact at all considering it's actions.

In the same way it would scary to hear people supporting South Africa during apartheid or Germany with the Nazis.

Now we can also talk about levels of destrcution, but the point is they are/were all serious injustices.

MrBrian

PJ_Saluki wrote:

But what's the better option?

Israel is a democracy in the middle of a decidedly undemocratic area of the world. They do some bad things to Palestinians and vice versa.

Diplomacy works on two levels: the outward displays and behind-the-scenes contact. It would be nice if Obama could finish what Clinton and others started and finally work out some compromise between both sides (if that's even possible).

Clinton never came close to bringing any peace, that so called "good deal" was not good at all. If you saw the proposed map you would see that it was in favour of Israel.

The media played it like Israel and America did everything it could and it was the Palestinians that screwed it up. It's a misconception, one that's reiterated far too often when speaking about that time during the Clinton years.

Just saying that Israel does some bad things is playing down what's going on.

BetterThanYou

Smartypants wrote:

It's laughable and tragic that this is what the McCain campaign has come to, putting this guy out there on the stump and letting him talk foreign policy in front of a camera.

is that true that mccain's campaign put him on tv to discuss foreign policy?

PJ_Saluki

MrBrian wrote:

Where would this second holocaust come from? I think it's important to note that Israel is not doing it's part to improve the situation. Fact is they are doing everything to increase the tensions.

Israel has also been the worst friend America has. They are also killing many many people violating human rights everyday.

It is indeed very dangerous and scary to hear someone say that they support Israel that much, infact at all considering it's actions.

I agree. Israel has committed many despicable acts either in self defense or preemptively. It's a bad, bad situation over there. I haven't seen any of it in person, but I've seen and read about it.

Israel puts politicians in a tough situation, as well. The pro-Israel lobby in America is very strong, as it should be given the history of oppression Jews have suffered through all over the world. But that lobby also wants politicians to turn a blind eye to the illegal things Israel does.

As I wrote earlier, it's partly a diplomatic ploy (hopefully): Offer outward signs of complete agreement while working behind the scenes to address problems.

MrBrian wrote:

In the same way it would scary to hear people supporting South Africa during apartheid or Germany with the Nazis.

Now we can also talk about levels of destrcution, but the point is they are/were all serious injustices.

Absolutely they were, but we supported Israeli statehood after WWII. In fact, we were the biggest backer of Israeli statehood. We seem to be irrevocably tied to Israel. I think Obama needs to have an honest discussion with both sides to try to work out some sort of peace -- such as it would be -- that could end all this death. Let's not forget, though, that both sides are killing each other. It seems as if it's a chicken-or-egg situation as to which group started it.

PJ_Saluki

MrBrian wrote:

Clinton never came close to bringing any peace, that so called "good deal" was not good at all. If you saw the proposed map you would see that it was in favour of Israel.

The media played it like Israel and America did everything it could and it was the Palestinians that screwed it up. It's a misconception, one that's reiterated far too often when speaking about that time during the Clinton years.

Just saying that Israel does some bad things is playing down what's going on.

I don't believe the Palestinians were alone in screwing it up. There is plenty of blame to go around on this issue, and that includes the U.S.

MrBrian

k cool, fair enough...except for the 'chicken or the egg' part. But i'll get back to that when I have more time.

Fighting Hellfish

I watched that interview with shep Smith live, and was amazed. An hour later, Neil cavuto had "Tito the Builder" on. He's a hispanic Joe the Plumber, and just as dumb. Cavuto, who brings in all sorts of nutjobs if theys upport McCain and the GOP, was dumbfounded. At the end of the interview, he sarcastically muttered---"that went real well....."

fuck

why do people give a shit what a fucking plumber thinks?

Commy

labor runs the country...I hope gov't pays more attention to labor...as a whole.


maybe not on foreign policy so much but yeah...

Commy

double post

moho

It's a sad state of affairs when media stoop to these levels. That is awful journalism and the only reason they have done this, that I can conceive, is that they actually have an audience for this type of garbage!!!

PJ_Saluki

moho wrote:

It's a sad state of affairs when media stoop to these levels. That is awful journalism and the only reason they have done this, that I can conceive, is that they actually have an audience for this type of garbage!!!

Are you not familiar with FOX News? If the morning show would've interviewed Joe they probably would have fallen all over themselves to agree, especially the weather man.

Collin

PJ_Saluki wrote:

But what's the better option?

What's the better option? How about looking at it objectively, instead of choosing one side to be your best friend, whom you will support every day and every moment.

iamica

_outlaw wrote:

why do people give a shit what a fucking plumber thinks?

My sentiments exactly. I don't see why this guy is even still in the public eye.