The Supreme Court Backs Guantanamo Bay Prisoners
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WASHINGTON (June 12) -- The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that foreign terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo Bay have rights under the Constitution to challenge their detention in U.S. civilian courts.
In its third rebuke of the Bush administration's treatment of prisoners, the court ruled 5-4 that the government is violating the rights of prisoners being held indefinitely and without charges at the U.S. naval base in Cuba. The court's liberal justices were in the majority.
High Court Backs Guantanamo Detainees and it's about fricking time. Many of these detainees are there based on no evidence for them being there.
They should not be there indefinately without being charged and without an oppertunity to defend themselves.
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
However, this is certainly a hell of a start to find out their guilt or innocence.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25112374/
Bush says Gitmo ruling may prompt new law
updated 11:42 a.m. PT, Thurs., June. 12, 2008
ROME - President Bush said Thursday in Rome that he strongly disagreed with a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that clears foreign terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay to challenge their detention in American civilian courts.
Bush suggested new legislation may now be needed to keep the American people safe.
"We'll abide by the court's decision," Bush said during a news conference in Rome. "That doesn't mean I have to agree with it."
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It's always great for him to go back to keeping the FEAR FACTOR high in America. I aint buying it and most of have America has or is learning that today.
Can you imagine being there in Guantanamo and being innocent, I would turn into a terriost because of how angry I would be. We'll know some there are innocent.
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I hope they get their trial quick. I hope if they are found guilty they get their end quick as well.
If they really are "people [that] would kill you and not think twice about it" why are the authorities so afraid of a fair trial? Shit make a case, try them, let an impartial jury or judge decide. Why do they need to be tortured and held indefinitely?
....And you're talking about ALL of the detainees in Guantanamo. You do realize that these detainees come from all over this world. Some placed there based on the hearsay of Afghan citizens given monies to give up a name.
Once at Gitmo you have no say so at all. It's a fact that they are innocent detanees there, I hope you know that.
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A fact huh? Well now that they are getting their trials we shall see. I've read the stories how some of these so called innocents are released yet have made their way back there.
I wish their trials would have been much sooner than now. Then either they are found innocent and can go back to growing opium or they are found guilty and meet their maker. I just hope if found guilty justice is swift.
The problem is too many people think that giving these prisoners a hug will solve things and make them abandon their jihadist ways. Those are usually the first ones to be beheaded.
The US has no moral highground.
Let's see if I can find a few innocent ones....U.S. Sends Home 33 Detainees From Guantanamo Bay
Ex-Terror Detainee Says U.S. Tortured Him
U.S. Said to Overstate Value of Guantánamo Detainees
Innocent, but in limbo at Guantánamo
Enemy Combatant: Moazzam Begg on his Imprisonment at Guantanamo, Bagram, and Kandahar
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But if the Supreme Court says it's illegal, it's illegal.
Saw some congressman or other saying he wants to propose a constitutional amendment to keep them there. I somehow doubt that would pass anyhow.
for the least they could possibly do
When you take prisoners of war on the battlefield, you don't run them through your court system. That's never been done in the history of the world. You catch a guy shooting at you, that's pretty much it.
Not every single Nazi captured in WWII got his day in the U.S. judicial system.
However, I can understand the argument that, in the case of some of these people, it's somewhat different. Some of them aren't enemy combatants in the true sense of the word.
So I guess can understand the need for some judicial oversight here.
EDIT: What I don't understand is how some guy who got picked up in the Middle East can be hauled to the U.S. and tried under U.S. law. What U.S. law was he breaking, half a world away?
for the least they could possibly do
You seem to think that most or all of these Gitmo detainees are from Afghanistan. I don't think that's the case, it's people from all over this planet not just the ones you think are growing opium. Growing opium and being accused of being a terriost are two totally different things.
Certainly not worthy of the torture and abuse being dished out this modern day Goulag and for growing opium?
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
So Gitmo detainees are pows? that alone comes with a list of rights, from the Geneva convention, which the US agreed too.
not being tortured is pretty high up on the list as I recall.
I think, officially, the term is "enemy combatants."
And I think the U.S. would claim a pretty narrow definition of the word "torture" -- as in "anything we aren't doing."
for the least they could possibly do
Where in the world do we put them??? If we put them in jail either 2 things will happen:
1) The other inmates at the jail will kill them without any questions
2) They (the enemy combatants) will form new gangs or terror cells in prison.
None of which are good. It would be better to leave them in Gitmo I think.
I think if they are guilty, then they should stay there. Our criminal justice system really has no place for them.
BUT, we need to determine who is guilty and who isn't... could you imagine being held for 5+ years with no one telling you why, and having zero opportunity to defend yourself. Imagine the outrage if another country detained American citizens like that.
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I think they know why they are there.
even the innocent ones?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
the US have not complied with the Geneva Conventions for a while - besides, they've never signed the amendment relating to POW's
Dude....look at the prison system here. Even with due process, innocent people are sent to jail.
You think in that cluster fuck over there, the odds of picking up people who are innocent is out of the question???
Here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guant%C3%A1namo_Bay_detainees
No, actually I'm pretty sure there's not a single person here, or anywhere else that believes that giving these people a hug will make them abandon their jihadist ways.
I do think a lot of people disagree with torture and denying people a fair trial. I think they are against locking up innocent people without giving them an opportunity to defend themselves or even an explanation of why they are being held.
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