yeah. i read the red. it is still 30 minutes in a single location. that doesn't change what i think. and even with 5 people and 10 minutes---i think that goes to show more that it is about a crowd in a single space. and in new york city on what could be an already crowded sidewalk, i don't really see the huge problem with the permit alone. the cost however, may be another thing.
and i'm not really trying to defend this because i don't really care.
You must work for the gov't. That much seems obvious regardless of what you say at this point.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I waited for about an hour and a half to get to the elevator at the Empire State Building. Then went to the top and took pics and hung out for at least an hour. Seems they may have a problem on their hands.
No kidding...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I waited for about an hour and a half to get to the elevator at the Empire State Building. Then went to the top and took pics and hung out for at least an hour. Seems they may have a problem on their hands.
I would be careful if they spotted you they could consider you to be a enemy combatant.
I work less than a mile from the VP here in DC and I've been pulled over for no reason at all in front of his Naval Observatory compound. I suspect though it was due to the particular political stickers I have on the back of my truck.
The Capital Police are as pesky as a hungry mosquito.
Peace
Earle
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
haha thar's funny...you a funny guy! Stop wasting my time.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
but be warned gue, apparently you have a new government operative in the area!
I just help up a mirror to you...ahh the irony... did you see it? ... hehe lookie the suspicion.
you are a funny one...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
She just moved from NY. She's living in the great Northwest now.
he/she I smell testosterone...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
males and females both have testosterone. what's your point?
Yes in varying degrees. But that shouldn't bother you.
I'm waiting for you to say something and make one in this thread...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
lol... I expected nothing more...Actually I did....I expected you to be awesome.
Gue...you lied dammit..
So did I squeeze your head or something?
cmon what's it take get something coherent out of you other than accusations?
sigh... funny but not really...depends on your character now...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Some people were talking like it was ban on personal photography. This is a licensing thing from the office of films in NYC. Its based on commerical applications. Its not targeting the average person at all. It comes from the office of films.
Of particular note in the proposed rules
(2) The following activities do not require that a permit be obtained pursuant to this
chapter:
(iii) Filming or photography of a parade, rally, protest, or demonstration except
when using vehicles or equipment other than a handheld device or single tripod.
oops.. there goes that conspiracy... no restrictions on social gatherings.
(c) Press passes. The use of a press pass issued by the New York City Police
Department (“NYPD”) in accordance with Chapter 11 of Title 38 of the Rules of the City of
New York (“Press Credentials”), where an individual is acting in furtherance of the activity
authorized by such press pass, and is engaged in filming as defined in these rules, does not
require that a permit be obtained pursuant to this chapter.
No restriction on the press.
Its all fine and good to not trust this thing. But the overreaction is a bit much.
Some people were talking like it was ban on personal photography. This is a licensing thing from the office of films in NYC. Its based on commerical applications. Its not targeting the average person at all. It comes from the office of films.
Of particular note in the proposed rules
oops.. there goes that conspiracy... no restrictions on social gatherings.
No restriction on the press.
Its all fine and good to not trust this thing. But the overreaction is a bit much.
GOD THANK YOU.
really. thank you. i just couldn't. and what i find really funny about this whole thing is that if someone filming gets busted incorrectly under these new regulations, *they have their evidence on film*! so i'm just not sure how abused this could be. the very thing they're doing is their evidence that they're in the right or in the wrong. and i don't see what is so wrong about new rules for being in the *same spot* for 30 minutes when shooting 2 people or 10 minutes for over 5. it's new york city! the sidewalks are already very crowded.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
really. thank you. i just couldn't. and what i find really funny about this whole thing is that if someone filming gets busted incorrectly under these new regulations, *they have their evidence on film*! so i'm just not sure how abused this could be. the very thing they're doing is their evidence that they're in the right or in the wrong. and i don't see what is so wrong about new rules for being in the *same spot* for 30 minutes when shooting 2 people or 10 minutes for over 5. it's new york city! the sidewalks are already very crowded.
haha...just couldn't what? Look into this for yourself? you just hung around this thread waiting for someone to do the research for you? You ignored all of my questions and just kept coming back to insult and condescend. Nice work! Now that someone else actually looked into your viewpoint for you, you actually start commenting on the thread again.....:rolleyes:
Butters - Thanks for the clarification...I knew my posts sounded paranoid, I mentioned it twice....I still think it's a ridiculous ruling, unenforceable and too open to interpretation...But without the information you posted, I wouldn't have thought I was overreacting.
...now I'm curious how the people interviewed in the header post came to their conclusions about the regulations (esp in regards to indie journalists and political rally/protest coverage). I'm not sold that this is ok, but if there are "outs" for people to cite if they are harassed, I feel better about it.
haha...just couldn't what? Look into this for yourself? you just hung around this thread waiting for someone to do the research for you? You ignored all of my questions and just kept coming back to insult and condescend. Nice work! Now that someone else actually looked into your viewpoint for you, you actually start commenting on the thread again.....:rolleyes:
couldn't care enough to go back and forth with what i saw as overly reactionary posters. i did say in my first post that i didn't really care.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
i realize that (and commented on it)...I was pointing out that you were only here to insult and condescend....at least you aren't denying it :cool:
yeah maybe it's because i'm an asshole new yorker. though now that i just left, maybe i can become someone who will instead spend enough time from afar beating an issue to death that deals with new york city.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
yeah maybe it's because i'm an asshole new yorker. though now that i just left, maybe i can become someone who will instead spend enough time from afar beating an issue to death that deals with new york city.
or maybe you can just continue to insult and condescend without adding anything to the thread, yer doin a bang up job o' that....and now you've dragged me down to your level...
If you consider gaining a proper understanding of an issue "beating it to death", then hey, I'm guilty.
guess we're both assholes...but I'm the lesser of two assholes
couldn't care enough to go back and forth with what i saw as overly reactionary posters. i did say in my first post that i didn't really care.
hey...actually add something to the thread except pointed fingers, and you might find the whole communication/interaction thing goes easier for you...
but you know that...right?
Of course you do.
I was hoping for more personality... oh well.. maybe next time
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Some people were talking like it was ban on personal photography. This is a licensing thing from the office of films in NYC. Its based on commerical applications. Its not targeting the average person at all. It comes from the office of films.
Of particular note in the proposed rules
oops.. there goes that conspiracy... no restrictions on social gatherings.
No restriction on the press.
Its all fine and good to not trust this thing. But the overreaction is a bit much.
Where did you quote that from?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Originally Posted by butters
@ the two paranoid dudes who responded to me.
Some people were talking like it was ban on personal photography. This is a licensing thing from the office of films in NYC. Its based on commerical applications. Its not targeting the average person at all. It comes from the office of films.
Of particular note in the proposed rules
oops.. there goes that conspiracy... no restrictions on social gatherings.
No restriction on the press.
Its all fine and good to not trust this thing. But the overreaction is a bit much.
I might have been one of those paranoid dudes but this comes from the MOFTB.
The New Rules
The proposed rules would effect the following practical changes:
1) Film or still photography activity involving a tripod and a crew of 5 or more persons (at one site for 10 or more minutes) would require a permit, or the same activity among two people at a single site for more than 30 minutes. However, note that this situation is RARE for recreational photographers;
2) Applicants unable to meet the insurance requirement may be eligible for a waiver of insurance;
3) Still photographers engaged in "permitted" activity (activity where you need a permit) would require insurance. "Permitted" activity can include those where vehicles or equipment other than hand-held cameras are used.
Here's the rest from the City of NY Mayor's Office of Film, Theatre and Broadcasting @ Film Permit Rules and the actual the proposed rules.
Please take a look, it is still far too vague and could easily be manipulated against certain people. Notice the wording RARE, rare to whom and how rare is rare? "May be eligible for a waiver of insurance" who makes that decision for a waiver? I will always question wording and ruling such as this.
Peace
Earle
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I find it strange that when people (myself) comment on the original video and article.... others, instead of discussing what is presented logically, they jump in and start going dingbat on people.
Why not just post what you got, and link up the sources if you can expand the information? I mean were not talking Alex Jones sermons here ffs.. As well the guy in the video interview clearly laid it out as quite a big deal and very encompassing.
When I'm required to know absolutely everything in the world and instantly I'll bow down and lick a**
...kinda f-d up on the top floor if you ask me...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Here's the rest from the City of NY Mayor's Office of Film, Theatre and Broadcasting @ Film Permit Rules and the actual the proposed rules.
Peace
Earle
Reading the proposed list. So, is every street corner in NY crowded with fimakers now or something? Is it something that everyone is complaining about all the time so they have to place extremish time limits like this?
Is it just clogging up the city so badly that something like this has to be implemented?
Just wondering...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Reading the proposed list. So, is every street corner in NY crowded with fimakers now or something? Is it something that everyone is complaining about all the time so they have to place extremish time limits like this?
Is it just clogging up the city so badly that something like this has to be implemented?
Just wondering...
so, you don't live in new york city and know how frustrating it can be to try to get to work or the store when there's filming and tourists clogging the hot spots? well i'm sure the people there are pleased with your vigilance. actually, i don't know anyone in nyc who is upset about this. and personally i can't see the big deal, having read the film permit rules that were posted.
it's kind of funny that you're upset about people going 'dingbat' here. if you were talking about me, i did give a halfhearted opinion in the beginning. i gave up because i thought it was useless. it just wasn't what you wanted to hear.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
so, you don't live in new york city and know how frustrating it can be to try to get to work or the store when there's filming and tourists clogging the hot spots? well i'm sure the people there are pleased with your vigilance. actually, i don't know anyone in nyc who is upset about this. and personally i can't see the big deal, having read the film permit rules that were posted.
it's kind of funny that you're upset about people going 'dingbat' here. if you were talking about me, i did give a halfhearted opinion in the beginning. i gave up because i thought it was useless. it just wasn't what you wanted to hear.
Well I live in a city that lots of movie producers like to film in and photograph (Toronto) because it's apparently cheap and easy in comparison.
Personally, I've never heard a single person complain about it, or myself have been inconvenienced by it.
So people can call me a paranoid delusional freak...but I see very clearly and well above the average misinformed individual. I think I perhaps said what you didn't want to hear also.
Arguing and disagreeing is not a big deal for me. It's all with a grain of salt.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Its not odd that NYC would have something like this in place. Every city does. It's not even a new system. Its a revision to a system that was always there. There's even one in Toronto.
The point of contention seemed to originally be its potential effect on low budget film making. I am wondering if it became a 'Big Brother' issue because it suited the interests of some of the film makers it would effect. By saying that, they wouild get a certain amount of public support. It would be a good plan - as well intentioned as everyone is, people won't investigate things that already mesh with their world view. Its certainly a big slap to Amy Goodman that she was hyping up the propaganda too.
This is a good lesson for the anti-Bush crowd (who I can only assume were the biggest believers of this story). As much as we criticise people who don't question what he is doing, we are wide open to any propaganda that attacks him and his administration, whether it is true or not. People will always be willing to exploit this, so its up to everyone not to take what they read on faith, no matter how much that story may reinforce their world view.
Comments
You must work for the gov't. That much seems obvious regardless of what you say at this point.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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(")_(")
No kidding...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I would be careful if they spotted you they could consider you to be a enemy combatant.
I work less than a mile from the VP here in DC and I've been pulled over for no reason at all in front of his Naval Observatory compound. I suspect though it was due to the particular political stickers I have on the back of my truck.
The Capital Police are as pesky as a hungry mosquito.
Peace
Earle
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
you must not have a clue.
that's why this board is a waste of time anymore.
cross the river to the eastside
haha thar's funny...you a funny guy! Stop wasting my time.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
She just moved from NY. She's living in the great Northwest now.
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and it certainly is great.
but be warned gue, apparently you have a new government operative in the area!
cross the river to the eastside
I just help up a mirror to you...ahh the irony... did you see it? ... hehe lookie the suspicion.
you are a funny one...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
he/she I smell testosterone...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
You've been living alone too long.
She's a good one.
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males and females both have testosterone. what's your point?
cross the river to the eastside
Yes in varying degrees. But that shouldn't bother you.
I'm waiting for you to say something and make one in this thread...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
what are you on about? Did I insult your gf?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
how about this for a point: you're a douche.
cross the river to the eastside
lol... I expected nothing more...Actually I did....I expected you to be awesome.
Gue...you lied dammit..
So did I squeeze your head or something?
cmon what's it take get something coherent out of you other than accusations?
sigh...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Some people were talking like it was ban on personal photography. This is a licensing thing from the office of films in NYC. Its based on commerical applications. Its not targeting the average person at all. It comes from the office of films.
Of particular note in the proposed rules
oops.. there goes that conspiracy... no restrictions on social gatherings.
No restriction on the press.
Its all fine and good to not trust this thing. But the overreaction is a bit much.
GOD THANK YOU.
really. thank you. i just couldn't. and what i find really funny about this whole thing is that if someone filming gets busted incorrectly under these new regulations, *they have their evidence on film*! so i'm just not sure how abused this could be. the very thing they're doing is their evidence that they're in the right or in the wrong. and i don't see what is so wrong about new rules for being in the *same spot* for 30 minutes when shooting 2 people or 10 minutes for over 5. it's new york city! the sidewalks are already very crowded.
cross the river to the eastside
haha...just couldn't what? Look into this for yourself? you just hung around this thread waiting for someone to do the research for you? You ignored all of my questions and just kept coming back to insult and condescend. Nice work! Now that someone else actually looked into your viewpoint for you, you actually start commenting on the thread again.....:rolleyes:
Butters - Thanks for the clarification...I knew my posts sounded paranoid, I mentioned it twice....I still think it's a ridiculous ruling, unenforceable and too open to interpretation...But without the information you posted, I wouldn't have thought I was overreacting.
...now I'm curious how the people interviewed in the header post came to their conclusions about the regulations (esp in regards to indie journalists and political rally/protest coverage). I'm not sold that this is ok, but if there are "outs" for people to cite if they are harassed, I feel better about it.
couldn't care enough to go back and forth with what i saw as overly reactionary posters. i did say in my first post that i didn't really care.
cross the river to the eastside
yeah maybe it's because i'm an asshole new yorker. though now that i just left, maybe i can become someone who will instead spend enough time from afar beating an issue to death that deals with new york city.
cross the river to the eastside
or maybe you can just continue to insult and condescend without adding anything to the thread, yer doin a bang up job o' that....and now you've dragged me down to your level...
If you consider gaining a proper understanding of an issue "beating it to death", then hey, I'm guilty.
guess we're both assholes...but I'm the lesser of two assholes
hey...actually add something to the thread except pointed fingers, and you might find the whole communication/interaction thing goes easier for you...
but you know that...right?
Of course you do.
I was hoping for more personality... oh well.. maybe next time
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Where did you quote that from?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I might have been one of those paranoid dudes but this comes from the MOFTB.
Here's the rest from the City of NY Mayor's Office of Film, Theatre and Broadcasting @ Film Permit Rules and the actual the proposed rules.
Please take a look, it is still far too vague and could easily be manipulated against certain people. Notice the wording RARE, rare to whom and how rare is rare? "May be eligible for a waiver of insurance" who makes that decision for a waiver? I will always question wording and ruling such as this.
Peace
Earle
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Why not just post what you got, and link up the sources if you can expand the information? I mean were not talking Alex Jones sermons here ffs.. As well the guy in the video interview clearly laid it out as quite a big deal and very encompassing.
When I'm required to know absolutely everything in the world and instantly I'll bow down and lick a**
...kinda f-d up on the top floor if you ask me...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Reading the proposed list. So, is every street corner in NY crowded with fimakers now or something? Is it something that everyone is complaining about all the time so they have to place extremish time limits like this?
Is it just clogging up the city so badly that something like this has to be implemented?
Just wondering...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
so, you don't live in new york city and know how frustrating it can be to try to get to work or the store when there's filming and tourists clogging the hot spots? well i'm sure the people there are pleased with your vigilance. actually, i don't know anyone in nyc who is upset about this. and personally i can't see the big deal, having read the film permit rules that were posted.
it's kind of funny that you're upset about people going 'dingbat' here. if you were talking about me, i did give a halfhearted opinion in the beginning. i gave up because i thought it was useless. it just wasn't what you wanted to hear.
cross the river to the eastside
Well I live in a city that lots of movie producers like to film in and photograph (Toronto) because it's apparently cheap and easy in comparison.
Personally, I've never heard a single person complain about it, or myself have been inconvenienced by it.
So people can call me a paranoid delusional freak...but I see very clearly and well above the average misinformed individual. I think I perhaps said what you didn't want to hear also.
Arguing and disagreeing is not a big deal for me. It's all with a grain of salt.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
The point of contention seemed to originally be its potential effect on low budget film making. I am wondering if it became a 'Big Brother' issue because it suited the interests of some of the film makers it would effect. By saying that, they wouild get a certain amount of public support. It would be a good plan - as well intentioned as everyone is, people won't investigate things that already mesh with their world view. Its certainly a big slap to Amy Goodman that she was hyping up the propaganda too.
This is a good lesson for the anti-Bush crowd (who I can only assume were the biggest believers of this story). As much as we criticise people who don't question what he is doing, we are wide open to any propaganda that attacks him and his administration, whether it is true or not. People will always be willing to exploit this, so its up to everyone not to take what they read on faith, no matter how much that story may reinforce their world view.