Can't Photograph In NYC Any Longer!

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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    he/she I smell testosterone...

    males and females both have testosterone. what's your point?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    VictoryGin wrote:
    males and females both have testosterone. what's your point?

    Yes in varying degrees. But that shouldn't bother you.

    I'm waiting for you to say something and make one in this thread...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    You've been living alone too long.

    She's a good one.


    what are you on about? Did I insult your gf?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    what are you on about? Did I insult your gf?

    how about this for a point: you're a douche.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    VictoryGin wrote:
    how about this for a point: you're a douche.


    lol... I expected nothing more...Actually I did....I expected you to be awesome.

    Gue...you lied dammit..

    So did I squeeze your head or something?

    cmon what's it take get something coherent out of you other than accusations?


    sigh... :p funny but not really...depends on your character now...
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  • butters
    butters Posts: 63
    @ the two paranoid dudes who responded to me.

    Some people were talking like it was ban on personal photography. This is a licensing thing from the office of films in NYC. Its based on commerical applications. Its not targeting the average person at all. It comes from the office of films.



    Of particular note in the proposed rules
    (2) The following activities do not require that a permit be obtained pursuant to this
    chapter:

    (iii) Filming or photography of a parade, rally, protest, or demonstration except
    when using vehicles or equipment other than a handheld device or single tripod.

    oops.. there goes that conspiracy... no restrictions on social gatherings.
    (c) Press passes. The use of a press pass issued by the New York City Police
    Department (“NYPD”) in accordance with Chapter 11 of Title 38 of the Rules of the City of
    New York (“Press Credentials”), where an individual is acting in furtherance of the activity
    authorized by such press pass, and is engaged in filming as defined in these rules, does not
    require that a permit be obtained pursuant to this chapter.

    No restriction on the press.

    Its all fine and good to not trust this thing. But the overreaction is a bit much.
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    butters wrote:
    @ the two paranoid dudes who responded to me.

    Some people were talking like it was ban on personal photography. This is a licensing thing from the office of films in NYC. Its based on commerical applications. Its not targeting the average person at all. It comes from the office of films.



    Of particular note in the proposed rules



    oops.. there goes that conspiracy... no restrictions on social gatherings.



    No restriction on the press.

    Its all fine and good to not trust this thing. But the overreaction is a bit much.

    GOD THANK YOU.

    really. thank you. i just couldn't. and what i find really funny about this whole thing is that if someone filming gets busted incorrectly under these new regulations, *they have their evidence on film*! so i'm just not sure how abused this could be. the very thing they're doing is their evidence that they're in the right or in the wrong. and i don't see what is so wrong about new rules for being in the *same spot* for 30 minutes when shooting 2 people or 10 minutes for over 5. it's new york city! the sidewalks are already very crowded.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    VictoryGin wrote:
    GOD THANK YOU.

    really. thank you. i just couldn't. and what i find really funny about this whole thing is that if someone filming gets busted incorrectly under these new regulations, *they have their evidence on film*! so i'm just not sure how abused this could be. the very thing they're doing is their evidence that they're in the right or in the wrong. and i don't see what is so wrong about new rules for being in the *same spot* for 30 minutes when shooting 2 people or 10 minutes for over 5. it's new york city! the sidewalks are already very crowded.

    haha...just couldn't what? Look into this for yourself? you just hung around this thread waiting for someone to do the research for you? You ignored all of my questions and just kept coming back to insult and condescend. Nice work! Now that someone else actually looked into your viewpoint for you, you actually start commenting on the thread again.....:rolleyes:


    Butters - Thanks for the clarification...I knew my posts sounded paranoid, I mentioned it twice....I still think it's a ridiculous ruling, unenforceable and too open to interpretation...But without the information you posted, I wouldn't have thought I was overreacting.

    ...now I'm curious how the people interviewed in the header post came to their conclusions about the regulations (esp in regards to indie journalists and political rally/protest coverage). I'm not sold that this is ok, but if there are "outs" for people to cite if they are harassed, I feel better about it.
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    Drowned Out wrote:
    haha...just couldn't what? Look into this for yourself? you just hung around this thread waiting for someone to do the research for you? You ignored all of my questions and just kept coming back to insult and condescend. Nice work! Now that someone else actually looked into your viewpoint for you, you actually start commenting on the thread again.....:rolleyes:

    couldn't care enough to go back and forth with what i saw as overly reactionary posters. i did say in my first post that i didn't really care.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    VictoryGin wrote:
    couldn't care enough to go back and forth with what i saw as overly reactionary posters. i did say in my first post that i didn't really care.
    i realize that (and commented on it)...I was pointing out that you were only here to insult and condescend....at least you aren't denying it :cool:
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    Drowned Out wrote:
    i realize that (and commented on it)...I was pointing out that you were only here to insult and condescend....at least you aren't denying it :cool:


    yeah maybe it's because i'm an asshole new yorker. though now that i just left, maybe i can become someone who will instead spend enough time from afar beating an issue to death that deals with new york city.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    VictoryGin wrote:
    yeah maybe it's because i'm an asshole new yorker. though now that i just left, maybe i can become someone who will instead spend enough time from afar beating an issue to death that deals with new york city.

    or maybe you can just continue to insult and condescend without adding anything to the thread, yer doin a bang up job o' that....and now you've dragged me down to your level...
    If you consider gaining a proper understanding of an issue "beating it to death", then hey, I'm guilty.

    guess we're both assholes...but I'm the lesser of two assholes :p:D
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    VictoryGin wrote:
    couldn't care enough to go back and forth with what i saw as overly reactionary posters. i did say in my first post that i didn't really care.

    hey...actually add something to the thread except pointed fingers, and you might find the whole communication/interaction thing goes easier for you...

    but you know that...right?

    Of course you do.

    I was hoping for more personality... oh well.. maybe next time
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    butters wrote:
    @ the two paranoid dudes who responded to me.

    Some people were talking like it was ban on personal photography. This is a licensing thing from the office of films in NYC. Its based on commerical applications. Its not targeting the average person at all. It comes from the office of films.



    Of particular note in the proposed rules



    oops.. there goes that conspiracy... no restrictions on social gatherings.



    No restriction on the press.

    Its all fine and good to not trust this thing. But the overreaction is a bit much.

    Where did you quote that from?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    butters wrote:
    Originally Posted by butters
    @ the two paranoid dudes who responded to me.

    Some people were talking like it was ban on personal photography. This is a licensing thing from the office of films in NYC. Its based on commerical applications. Its not targeting the average person at all. It comes from the office of films.



    Of particular note in the proposed rules



    oops.. there goes that conspiracy... no restrictions on social gatherings.



    No restriction on the press.

    Its all fine and good to not trust this thing. But the overreaction is a bit much.



    I might have been one of those paranoid dudes but this comes from the MOFTB.
    The New Rules
    The proposed rules would effect the following practical changes:

    1) Film or still photography activity involving a tripod and a crew of 5 or more persons (at one site for 10 or more minutes) would require a permit, or the same activity among two people at a single site for more than 30 minutes. However, note that this situation is RARE for recreational photographers;

    2) Applicants unable to meet the insurance requirement may be eligible for a waiver of insurance;

    3) Still photographers engaged in "permitted" activity (activity where you need a permit) would require insurance. "Permitted" activity can include those where vehicles or equipment other than hand-held cameras are used.

    Here's the rest from the City of NY Mayor's Office of Film, Theatre and Broadcasting @ Film Permit Rules and the actual the proposed rules.

    Please take a look, it is still far too vague and could easily be manipulated against certain people. Notice the wording RARE, rare to whom and how rare is rare? "May be eligible for a waiver of insurance" who makes that decision for a waiver? I will always question wording and ruling such as this.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I find it strange that when people (myself) comment on the original video and article.... others, instead of discussing what is presented logically, they jump in and start going dingbat on people.

    Why not just post what you got, and link up the sources if you can expand the information? I mean were not talking Alex Jones sermons here ffs.. As well the guy in the video interview clearly laid it out as quite a big deal and very encompassing.

    When I'm required to know absolutely everything in the world and instantly I'll bow down and lick a**

    ...kinda f-d up on the top floor if you ask me...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    g under p wrote:

    Here's the rest from the City of NY Mayor's Office of Film, Theatre and Broadcasting @ Film Permit Rules and the actual the proposed rules.


    Peace
    Earle

    Reading the proposed list. So, is every street corner in NY crowded with fimakers now or something? Is it something that everyone is complaining about all the time so they have to place extremish time limits like this?

    Is it just clogging up the city so badly that something like this has to be implemented?

    Just wondering...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Reading the proposed list. So, is every street corner in NY crowded with fimakers now or something? Is it something that everyone is complaining about all the time so they have to place extremish time limits like this?

    Is it just clogging up the city so badly that something like this has to be implemented?

    Just wondering...

    so, you don't live in new york city and know how frustrating it can be to try to get to work or the store when there's filming and tourists clogging the hot spots? well i'm sure the people there are pleased with your vigilance. actually, i don't know anyone in nyc who is upset about this. and personally i can't see the big deal, having read the film permit rules that were posted.

    it's kind of funny that you're upset about people going 'dingbat' here. if you were talking about me, i did give a halfhearted opinion in the beginning. i gave up because i thought it was useless. it just wasn't what you wanted to hear.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    VictoryGin wrote:
    so, you don't live in new york city and know how frustrating it can be to try to get to work or the store when there's filming and tourists clogging the hot spots? well i'm sure the people there are pleased with your vigilance. actually, i don't know anyone in nyc who is upset about this. and personally i can't see the big deal, having read the film permit rules that were posted.

    it's kind of funny that you're upset about people going 'dingbat' here. if you were talking about me, i did give a halfhearted opinion in the beginning. i gave up because i thought it was useless. it just wasn't what you wanted to hear.

    Well I live in a city that lots of movie producers like to film in and photograph (Toronto) because it's apparently cheap and easy in comparison.

    Personally, I've never heard a single person complain about it, or myself have been inconvenienced by it.

    So people can call me a paranoid delusional freak...but I see very clearly and well above the average misinformed individual. I think I perhaps said what you didn't want to hear also.

    Arguing and disagreeing is not a big deal for me. It's all with a grain of salt.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • butters
    butters Posts: 63
    Its not odd that NYC would have something like this in place. Every city does. It's not even a new system. Its a revision to a system that was always there. There's even one in Toronto.

    The point of contention seemed to originally be its potential effect on low budget film making. I am wondering if it became a 'Big Brother' issue because it suited the interests of some of the film makers it would effect. By saying that, they wouild get a certain amount of public support. It would be a good plan - as well intentioned as everyone is, people won't investigate things that already mesh with their world view. Its certainly a big slap to Amy Goodman that she was hyping up the propaganda too.

    This is a good lesson for the anti-Bush crowd (who I can only assume were the biggest believers of this story). As much as we criticise people who don't question what he is doing, we are wide open to any propaganda that attacks him and his administration, whether it is true or not. People will always be willing to exploit this, so its up to everyone not to take what they read on faith, no matter how much that story may reinforce their world view.

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