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810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    good, I hope we get that message.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    i hope we respond to their message
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    810wmb wrote:
    i hope we respond to their message

    it what way?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    I am really not prepared for WW3 yet. I need more bottled water and canned goods
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    This all just saber rattling. Everyone involved has to act as if they have the bigger balls.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    This all just saber rattling. Everyone involved has to act as if they have the bigger balls.

    I firmly believe this too. no way will we go to war with Iran. too many reasons for it to be impossible. lack of resources, entire administration leaving in a year, no support from congress, the american people, the world, no PROOF, Iraq failures, and so on...

    both of your statements are dead on.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Here is a good editorial piece in the Christian Science Monitor about an attack on or war with Iran.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1016/p09s02-coop.html?page=1
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    can someone explain why a war with iran would do any good??

    they clearly dont want to attack us...and until they do...why worry about them being an enemy...it doesnt make sense for them to attack us.


    why is everyone creating them to be our worst enemy..


    what is the logic here...must the U.S. have an enemy at all times?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    what is the logic here...must the U.S. have an enemy at all times?

    The answer to that is yes. The military industrial complex needs us to have a boogie man in order for them to make money. The government needs an external enemy so that the masses do not realize how much our very own government has become our enemy.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    The answer to that is yes. The military industrial complex needs us to have a boogie man in order for them to make money. The government needs an external enemy so that the masses do not realize how much our very own government has become our enemy.

    i disagree....

    as long as we're top dog, someone will want to knock us down
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    i disagree....

    as long as we're top dog, someone will want to knock us down

    True but is that someone a viable threat. I'm sure Saddam would have loved to see the US crumble but he did not pose a viable threat to us. Same goes for Iran.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    True but is that someone a viable threat. I'm sure Saddam would have loved to see the US crumble but he did not pose a viable threat to us. Same goes for Iran.

    if someone you knew was unstable, and threatened to kill you, what would you do?

    at some point you have to take them at their word.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    810wmb, do you think it's wise for the US to go into yet another war?
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    if someone you knew was unstable, and threatened to kill you, what would you do?

    at some point you have to take them at their word.

    Well I wouldn't kill them first that's for sure.

    Pre-emptive war is never a good policy simply because it makes you the aggressor. We are suppossed to be better than that.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    810wmb wrote:
    if someone you knew was unstable, and threatened to kill you, what would you do?

    at some point you have to take them at their word.

    are you talking about iran...lolw hat exactly are you talking baout..a schoolyard fight?
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    Collin wrote:
    810wmb, do you think it's wise for the US to go into yet another war?

    unavoidable - is the word i'd use
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    macgyver06 wrote:
    are you talking about iran...lolw hat exactly are you talking baout..a schoolyard fight?


    the world is one big playground, just that the stakes are higher
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    810wmb wrote:
    the world is one big playground, just that the stakes are higher


    are you in the military?
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    macgyver06 wrote:
    are you in the military?

    nope
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    mammasan wrote:
    Well I wouldn't kill them first that's for sure.

    Pre-emptive war is never a good policy simply because it makes you the aggressor. We are suppossed to be better than that.

    would you be willing to give up your life and yr friends life by having yr city hit first, before striking, so that we aren't the aggressor?
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    810wmb wrote:
    would you be willing to give up your life and yr friends life by having yr city hit first, before striking, so that we aren't the aggressor?

    no of course not but Iran isnt posing a threat to our cities. we have no valid reason to "hit them first". it worth the effort to make peace with people who hate us first, before dropping bombs.
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no of course not but Iran isnt posing a threat to our cities. we have no valid reason to "hit them first". it worth the effort to make peace with people who hate us first, before dropping bombs.

    if you think that iran wouldn't sell a dirty bomb, or any other for that matter, to terrorists, you need to rethink things.
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no of course not but Iran isnt posing a threat to our cities. we have no valid reason to "hit them first". it worth the effort to make peace with people who hate us first, before dropping bombs.

    Exactly (hell is freezing over right now :D).

    Besides, not everyone in Iran hates the Americans, you know. They don't want war, they don't want their families dead, nor your families.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    810wmb wrote:
    if you think that iran wouldn't sell a dirty bomb, or any other for that matter, to terrorists, you need to rethink things.

    Iran is probably 5-10 years away from producing weapons grade nuclear material. but so far, the IAEA seems to have decent control of the situation.

    but I hear what your sayin 810. I wouldnt put it past them to do that. but if we extend the olive branch first, relations can be fixed. there is a whole generation of young Iranians who do not hate America. peace, through means of diplomacy is always the better option.

    Iran is talking tough but have only made defensive threats.

    you'll have to look at Iraq as a perfect example about the nuke issue. we have no proof of the claims you make.

    besides, Iran's biggest beef is with Israel. if that situation can be solved the world would be a much better place.
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    810wmb wrote:
    the world is one big playground, just that the stakes are higher


    and they just keep getting higher. Are we prepared to have Turkey and Pakistan enter that playground in turmoil?
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    810wmb wrote:
    would you be willing to give up your life and yr friends life by having yr city hit first, before striking, so that we aren't the aggressor?

    There is a flaw to your question and that is that Iran would never launch a nuclear assault on any country. Your fear of Iran is irrational, fueled by media propaganda of this fictious boogie-man who is hell bent on destroying the old red, white, and blue. To this day there is absolutely no proof that Iran is using their nuclear program for anything other than civilian purposes. All this talk from this administration is nothing more than fear-mongering so that the uninformed masses can nod in agreement to our continued military presence and build up in the region. It's all about oil baby, us, Russia, China know that it's running out and we are flexing our muscle and wiping it out to see who has the bigger dick so we can have control of what's left. It has nothing to do with Iran's nuclear program. It has everything to do with Iran's close relationship with China and Russia. We want a pro-US government in there so we can have first dips.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    810wmb wrote:
    if you think that iran wouldn't sell a dirty bomb, or any other for that matter, to terrorists, you need to rethink things.


    you need to stop watching war movies and tv news


    WOW!?
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    810wmb wrote:
    i disagree....

    as long as we're top dog, someone will want to knock us down


    Then you should go after China.
  • Its Evolution BabyIts Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    810wmb wrote:
    would you be willing to give up your life and yr friends life by having yr city hit first, before striking, so that we aren't the aggressor?

    The only time the US did a Preemptive Strike was in this current Iraq war, and we all see how that is working out for us.

    If we didn't use Preemptive measures during the friggin Cold War,then why would we do it now.

    The USSR had way more weapons to destroy us then Iran ever has or will.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Open wrote:
    Then you should go after China.

    thats funny. you think china is the "top dog" in the world? I admit, they have potential, but they are decades behind
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