The Pope weighs in on global warming

MakingWaves

soulsinging wrote:

or maybe he was just talking about people like this, the way we all talk about pat robertson and the christian right and islamic fascism:

http://www.vhemt.org/

Damn, now that is extreme.

onelongsong

genie wrote:

"The 80-year-old Pope said the world needed to care for the environment but not to the point where the welfare of animals and plants was given a greater priority than that of mankind."

wtf? that pope should stick to his bible preaching instead.

aren't people animals? don't we breathe the same air and share the same earth?
no wonder so many are leaving the church. we can't follow what's behind us.

MakingWaves

onelongsong wrote:

aren't people animals? don't we breathe the same air and share the same earth?
no wonder so many are leaving the church. we can't follow what's behind us.

umm. I think you know what was meant by the statement. Again, read the quotes from the Pope in the story and tell me what is wrong with them.

onelongsong

MakingWaves wrote:

umm. I think you know what was meant by the statement. Again, read the quotes from the Pope in the story and tell me what is wrong with them.

i'm speaking more from opinion. if the church still taught the teachings of Jesus; i would feel differently. i know the bloke can see the bloody ice melting. he can look to the east and see the indian islands being swollowed by the sea and he can see the suffering of the people having to evacuate. he can look to the south and see the lakes that have dried up in africa and the people suffering there because their life-giving water is gone.
we don't need scientists anymore. only to open our eyes. his message should have been to open our eyes and open our arms to our fellow man.
that's what Jesus would have done.

810wmb

even flow? wrote:

Right O! The welfare of man over animals and plants. (according to what I read in the link) I guess the pope thinks God wasted it's time on the the six days leading up to the creation of the all mighty human. Give me a break! The guy seems to be missing the point about living with everything on the planet. You know the whole puzzle as opposed to the human on the top of the pyramid thingy. See if we are the top and almighty, one step below god, I think we should be doing something about the welfare of this place that god granted us humans and every other creature and tree and sea and lake and fish and cow and horse and sheep, bird, etc. God didn't say "I'll put birds on the planet so the colour will make a nice view to a human", just to have them wiped out.

Next thing you know the pope will be saying that a new flood is coming and won't mention global poisoning as the reason and the flock will now believe and lick at his boots for god to save the human race.

Next time you read on the train from somebody who loves god and goes to church that "why should they help somebody who won't help themselves", go to town on them with religion and how you should help your fellow man. Even those that don't or can't help themselves.

read Genesis

onelongsong

even flow? wrote:

Right O! The welfare of man over animals and plants. (according to what I read in the link) I guess the pope thinks God wasted it's time on the the six days leading up to the creation of the all mighty human. Give me a break! The guy seems to be missing the point about living with everything on the planet. You know the whole puzzle as opposed to the human on the top of the pyramid thingy. See if we are the top and almighty, one step below god, I think we should be doing something about the welfare of this place that god granted us humans and every other creature and tree and sea and lake and fish and cow and horse and sheep, bird, etc. God didn't say "I'll put birds on the planet so the colour will make a nice view to a human", just to have them wiped out.

Next thing you know the pope will be saying that a new flood is coming and won't mention global poisoning as the reason and the flock will now believe and lick at his boots for god to save the human race.

Next time you read on the train from somebody who loves god and goes to church that "why should they help somebody who won't help themselves", go to town on them with religion and how you should help your fellow man. Even those that don't or can't help themselves.

i agree with you. these are the plants and animals that feed us. i doubt he'll be walking out of the vatican with 7 fishes and 2 loaves of bread.

flywallyfly

onelongsong wrote:

i'm speaking more from opinion. if the church still taught the teachings of Jesus; i would feel differently. i know the bloke can see the bloody ice melting. he can look to the east and see the indian islands being swollowed by the sea and he can see the suffering of the people having to evacuate. he can look to the south and see the lakes that have dried up in africa and the people suffering there because their life-giving water is gone.
we don't need scientists anymore. only to open our eyes. his message should have been to open our eyes and open our arms to our fellow man.
that's what Jesus would have done.

Agreed.

Pearl Jam and toast

MakingWaves wrote:

Where did he say we shouldnt be listening to our scientists?

pope wrote:

"The German-born Pontiff said that while some concerns may be valid it was vital that the international community based its policies on science rather than the dogma of the environmentalist movement."

"the environmentalist movement" meaning scientists who have been spreading all this global warming nonesense around lately. I exagerated his statement, but conservatives tend to search out any possible way to discredit the scientists who are studying climate change.

The "dogma" of the environmentalist movement is science.

Pearl Jam and toast

soulsinging wrote:

or maybe he was just talking about people like this, the way we all talk about pat robertson and the christian right and islamic fascism:

http://www.vhemt.org/

Could have been, but I think he worded it poorly. His use of the phrase "dubious ideology" sort of leads me to question his impartiality.

MakingWaves

onelongsong wrote:

i'm speaking more from opinion. if the church still taught the teachings of Jesus; i would feel differently. i know the bloke can see the bloody ice melting. he can look to the east and see the indian islands being swollowed by the sea and he can see the suffering of the people having to evacuate. he can look to the south and see the lakes that have dried up in africa and the people suffering there because their life-giving water is gone.
we don't need scientists anymore. only to open our eyes. his message should have been to open our eyes and open our arms to our fellow man.
that's what Jesus would have done.

Well said, i think you have a good point here.

810wmb

all this Christianity bashing, and nobody's read the Bible...

all this is in the Book..maybe read it, instead of just spouting off

by the way, as far as Jesus goes, he wasn't all peace and love...and next time around, he'll be pissed

onelongsong

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

"the environmentalist movement" meaning scientists who have been spreading all this global warming nonesense around lately. I exagerated his statement, but conservatives tend to search out any possible way to discredit the scientists who are studying climate change.

The "dogma" of the environmentalist movement is science.

it would be interesting for him to compare the "enviornmentalist movement" to the early "christian movement" and imagine nero saying similar things to them. anyone who wants to breathe clean air and eat uncontaminated food is an enviornmentalist. some are just more active.

Pearl Jam and toast

810wmb wrote:

all this Christianity bashing, and nobody's read the Bible...

all this is in the Book..maybe read it, instead of just spouting off

Been there. Even been to church for a few years. I learned the truth, but it sure wasn't what they were trying to teach me. Jesus has a lot to offer but the church (any church, really) corrupts his message.

onelongsong

810wmb wrote:

all this Christianity bashing, and nobody's read the Bible...

all this is in the Book..maybe read it, instead of just spouting off

i've read it; the forbidden books; and the currently discovered gospels of mary magdeline and judas. when i entered jesuit college prep; i intended to be a priest. i was required to take 4 years of theology.
maybe there's some things you don't know about how man has destroyed the church. like how; in 1635; the pope ordered galelleo assassinated because of his book that said the earth revolved around the sun.
is this the church you're defending? the one that kills a man for thinking?
just wondering.

onelongsong

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Been there. Even been to church for a few years. I learned the truth, but it sure wasn't what they were trying to teach me. Jesus has a lot to offer but the church (any church, really) corrupts his message.

AMEN!

810wmb

onelongsong wrote:

i've read it; the forbidden books; and the currently discovered gospels of mary magdeline and judas. when i entered jesuit college prep; i intended to be a priest. i was required to take 4 years of theology.
maybe there's some things you don't know about how man has destroyed the church. like how; in 1635; the pope ordered galelleo assassinated because of his book that said the earth revolved around the sun.
is this the church you're defending? the one that kills a man for thinking?
just wondering.

i do know that, but it hasn't changed the message of the Bible that says go to church

somehow God always gets blamed for the sins of man

Cosmo

810wmb wrote:

all this Christianity bashing, and nobody's read the Bible...

all this is in the Book..maybe read it, instead of just spouting off

by the way, as far as Jesus goes, he wasn't all peace and love...and next time around, he'll be pissed

...
Hey... you and I agree on something.
Weren't we put in charge by God to be the caretakers of this planet? Aren't we supposed to take care of the Garden?

onelongsong

810wmb wrote:

i do know that, but it hasn't changed the message of the Bible that says go to church

somehow God always gets blamed for the sins of man

don't get me wrong. i'm a very spiritual person. i just think the church should be teaching the teachings of Jesus. it's lost that along the way.

soulsinging

Cosmo wrote:

...
Hey... you and I agree on something.
Weren't we put in charge by God to be the caretakers of this planet? Aren't we supposed to take care of the Garden?

yeah, but we're also supposed to rule the world and have dominion over all the animals and use them as we see fit.

soulsinging

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Could have been, but I think he worded it poorly. His use of the phrase "dubious ideology" sort of leads me to question his impartiality.

i think believing that humans are the scum of the earth and nothing but a destructive force that should be ashamed of itself is as dubious of an ideology as the belief that humans are rulers of the universe and should do what we want with it.