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Teacher explains what C.H.A.N.G.E. stand for - unreal!

jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
edited October 2008 in A Moving Train
Why in the world does this man still have his job???


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/03/report-florida-teacher-suspended-racially-charged-obama-comments/


A Florida middle school teacher has been disciplined for writing a racially offensive phrase about Barack Obama on his classroom dry-erase board last month.

The Tallahassee Democrat reported Friday that school officials learned the teacher wrote the phrase in a 7th grade class of mostly white students.

The phrase, which invoked Obama's campaign slogan, said, "C.H.A.N.G.E. -- Come Help A (N-word) Get Elected."

According to the newspaper, the teacher, Greg Howard, was suspended for 10 days without pay and will be forced to write a letter of apology to the students. He will also be reassigned to teach in the adult education program.

The Marianna Middle School teacher has been teaching in the district for 17 years, the paper reported.
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  • QuestionAuthorityQuestionAuthority Idaho Posts: 327
    I had heard about this.. it is repulsive.. asked my daughter how she would feel about this, as she is also in 7th grade.. she said if that happened in one of her classes she would get up and walk out.. I am so proud of my children!!!!
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    QuestionAuthority wrote:
    I had heard about this.. it is repulsive.. asked my daughter how she would feel about this, as she is also in 7th grade.. she said if that happened in one of her classes she would get up and walk out.. I am so proud of my children!!!!

    that's great ... good parenting, no doubt ...
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    wait this isn't a joke? was he trying to make a point? please don't tell me he call obama the n-word to his class?
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    QuestionAuthority wrote:
    I had heard about this.. it is repulsive.. asked my daughter how she would feel about this, as she is also in 7th grade.. she said if that happened in one of her classes she would get up and walk out.. I am so proud of my children!!!!
    If this happened when I was that age, I'd probably do the same, but I'd tell the teacher to go fuck himself first.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    cutback wrote:
    wait this isn't a joke? was he trying to make a point? please don't tell me he call obama the n-word to his class?

    sorry, he did ... and he is still employed.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    jimed14 wrote:
    sorry, he did ... and he is still employed.


    i think i'm gonna be sick
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    For what he did is a horrible thing to do in front of children. That is the only reason he should be fired not for using the word. How come it is so bad when any person other than an African American uses the word we are up in arms? To stop the spread of the word all people need to stop using it in a derogatory manor as well as a friendly manor between black people. Anyone using this word is wrong is what I am trying to say.
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  • ilovesingingilovesinging Posts: 255
    QuestionAuthority wrote:
    I had heard about this.. it is repulsive.. asked my daughter how she would feel about this, as she is also in 7th grade.. she said if that happened in one of her classes she would get up and walk out.. I am so proud of my children!!!!
    I would do the same...even though I have never heard what C.H.A.N.G.E. meant before.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Dirtie_Frank wrote:
    For what he did is a horrible thing to do in front of children. That is the only reason he should be fired not for using the word. How come it is so bad when any person other than an African American uses the word we are up in arms? To stop the spread of the word all people need to stop using it in a derogatory manor as well as a friendly manor between black people. Anyone using this word is wrong is what I am trying to say.

    I'm just curious, can you give me one example where the word could be used in every day speech?

    I mean, I get what you're saying, there are different levels of using the word ... but ... why even use the word? Ever?

    What meaning does it have that makes a sentance clearer? What meaning could it have that a white perosn should use it over some other word?
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  • QuestionAuthorityQuestionAuthority Idaho Posts: 327
    jimed14 wrote:
    I'm just curious, can you give me one example where the word could be used in every day speech?

    I mean, I get what you're saying, there are different levels of using the word ... but ... why even use the word? Ever?

    What meaning does it have that makes a sentance clearer? What meaning could it have that a white perosn should use it over some other word?


    I agree.. I feel NO ONE should use it.. in my opinion it is the most awful, dirtiest, hate filled word in the English language.
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    I duno What's up my N? Man that N is crazy.

    I am just saying that white people are not thte only ones that should be accountable for the use of the word. It is all over hip hop cd's. If black people continue to use it. The word will never go away.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    lovely. racicst, redneck asshole, i have 25 mccain signs on my lawn kinda freak. ugh.
  • NeilJamNeilJam Posts: 1,191
    cutback wrote:
    wait this isn't a joke? was he trying to make a point? please don't tell me he call obama the n-word to his class?


    I guess the only reason he wasn't fired was because the N word was not directed at any of the students. A technicality.

    This man should have been fired and had his teaching certification revoked permanently.
  • SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    NeilJam wrote:
    I guess the only reason he wasn't fired was because the N word was not directed at any of the students. A technicality.

    This man should have been fired and had his teaching certification revoked permanently.

    Tenure's a bitch.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Dirtie_Frank wrote:
    For what he did is a horrible thing to do in front of children. That is the only reason he should be fired not for using the word. How come it is so bad when any person other than an African American uses the word we are up in arms? To stop the spread of the word all people need to stop using it in a derogatory manor as well as a friendly manor between black people. Anyone using this word is wrong is what I am trying to say.

    What you should say here is some black people who may use this word amongst themselves. I know because I don't ever use the word in casual or serious conversation. Just saying.

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  • CitizenRickCitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    He should've been fired on the spot...tenure or no tenure! Fucking south!
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    interesting how far this society allows racism to go. a teacher even.
  • NeilJamNeilJam Posts: 1,191
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    Tenure's a bitch.


    I'm not an expert on this, but I think tenure would be like a contract which could be ended due to certain violations. Blatant racism should be one of them.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    NeilJam wrote:
    I'm not an expert on this, but I think tenure would be like a contract which could be ended due to certain violations. Blatant racism should be one of them.
    agreed.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    I wonder if a black teacher did this what his punishment would've been? He should've faced far severe punishment.

    Peace
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  • SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    NeilJam wrote:
    I'm not an expert on this, but I think tenure would be like a contract which could be ended due to certain violations. Blatant racism should be one of them.

    Yes, but firstly the school board would have to want to force him out over this (which I'd say isn't a given) and secondly, it may be something he could portray as (somehow) having academic merit. I'm not saying it does, by any means, but a decent lawyer could give it a go. It's possibly a fight the school board couldn't be bothered with.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    g under p wrote:
    I wonder if a black teacher did this what his punishment would've been? He should've faced far severe punishment.

    Peace
    calling mccain a cracker? fuck its bad, don't get me wrong, but...eh, I see your point.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Commy wrote:
    calling mccain a cracker? fuck its bad, don't get me wrong, but...eh, I see your point.

    From a black person's perspective: You know I was trying hard to come up with something negative to stand for C-H-A-N-G-E and cracker was the furtherest thing from my mind.

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  • NeilJamNeilJam Posts: 1,191
    g under p wrote:
    From a black person's perspective: You know I was trying hard to come up with something negative to stand for C-H-A-N-G-E and cracker was the furtherest thing from my mind.

    Peace

    How about this:

    Crackers &
    Honkeys
    Accelerating
    Neocon
    Government
    Elitism
  • iamsampjiamsampj Posts: 784
    and this is north florida...redneck and racist (though i know this is the exception and not the rule). my family lives in a small town north of gainesville and this racist speak is still pretty common...even amongst those my age. it's been a disturbing fact since i was forced to moving to florida...and the reason that i moved away from the area as soon as i was able once i graduated from high school...and i hate to go back.

    this teacher should have been fired on the spot...no questions asked!!!
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    g under p wrote:
    From a black person's perspective: You know I was trying hard to come up with something negative to stand for C-H-A-N-G-E and cracker was the furtherest thing from my mind.

    Peace
    I came up with that, never meant to imply you did. teachers teaching racism seems to be what we have to deal with. true education seems to be our best weapon against that. I"M sorry if I implied anything derogatory.

    I believe people are intelligent, and that it takes fools like this teacher to corrupt that. I believe people can think for themsleves, given the chance, and that deep down we are intelligent. I think fear is taught, and life is too short for that. I think the world could be one community, I think we could all share the resources of this planet. I also think greed is preventing us from that. I think we could all live in luxury, in comfort, and that a corrupt few in charge are preventing us from realizing our potential. I believe in a better world, and I KNOW its possible. And I will not sit by and let them control us, I will not be subserviant. I will fight to my last breath, until we get what's ours. Until equality has risen, until the world gets what's theirs.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    NeilJam wrote:
    How about this:

    Crackers &
    Honkeys
    Achieving
    Neocon
    Government
    Elitism

    Not bad for you and I to understand but for 7th graders that might be a bit over their heads. Tomorrow I'm going to pose this question to my daughter what this teacher showed his students.

    I'd love to hear what she'll say since she's been to so man peace marches here in DC.

    Peace
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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    g under p wrote:
    What you should say here is some black people who may use this word amongst themselves. I know because I don't ever use the word in casual or serious conversation. Just saying.

    Peace

    agreed sorry for the perception I gave. Not all people of color use the word.
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  • BonnarooJamBonnarooJam Posts: 155
    NeilJam wrote:
    I guess the only reason he wasn't fired was because the N word was not directed at any of the students. A technicality.

    This man should have been fired and had his teaching certification revoked permanently.
    to be fired after your first three years of teaching, you have to pretty much commit a felony.

    Marianna is a very small country town- not that this makes it any better, just figured that I'd throw it out there
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Commy wrote:
    I came up with that, never meant to imply you did. teachers teaching racism seems to be what we have to deal with. true education seems to be our best weapon against that. I"M sorry if I implied anything derogatory.

    I believe people are intelligent, and that it takes fools like this teacher to corrupt that. I believe people can think for themsleves, given the chance, and that deep down we are intelligent. I think fear is taught, and life is too short for that. I think the world could be one community, I think we could all share the resources of this planet. I also think greed is preventing us from that. I think we could all live in luxury, in comfort, and that a corrupt few in charge are preventing us from realizing our potential. I believe in a better world, and I KNOW its possible. And I will not sit by and let them control us, I will not be subserviant. I will fight to my last breath, until we get what's ours. Until equality has risen, until the world gets what's theirs.

    Come on now, None taken just drew a blank coming up with something worked.

    Peace
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