Must say, I don't really understand what you're saying with these "nyah-nyah" posts..."well, I was undecided till I met you guys!" If someone was so turned off of Obama by the opinions of posters on a Pearl Jam message board, the chances are they probably wouldn't have voted for them anyway. So I'm personally not really feeling any lost opportunity.
Yep, pretty much it. I didn't know shit about what was going on untill I came here.
The president doesn't control our economy, but President Bush had a direct hand in it's downward spiral. Because of this irresponsible, mismanaged war in Iraq, combined with large tax cuts, both financed by Japan and China, our dollar has become devalued because of our huge debt. Combine that situation with the large number of people spending all their money on healthcare and perscriptions--the middle class has become stretched to its financial limit. Not all of the reason our economy is in such a bad state, but this definitely had a hand in it.
The current crisis IS NOT PARTISAN.
As much as crazy libs want to sit on this board and blame everything that has gone wrong in the past year on this administration, and on bush and his cronies and their war profiteering, and bad foreign and domestic policy, THIS CRISIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION.
IT IS A SYSTEMIC ISSUE
People need to get a grasp on the reality of this FISCAL problem.
This crisis is a MONETARY one.
It stems directly from poor institutional fundamentals.
We have\had a HIGHLY LEVERAGED SYSTEM that was DESTINED to break down at some point, and unfortunately that breakdown is apparently going to be catastrophic (or nearly so).
The war in iraq, the spending it entailed, education, tax cuts, health care, job creation, NONE OF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
I'm sorry folks. It just isn't so.
Those things may suck, and they may have lead to their own problems in time, and they may BE problems in their own right, but they have ZERO to do with what is catastrophically fucked up right now.
We are experiencing a problem due to bad systemic arrangements in the BANKING sector alone. It is about greedy banks with poor (deliberately so) underwriting standards - GIVING STUPID LOANS TO STUPID PEOPLE - and even worse, it is about a system which guarantees catastrophic failure - Fannie\Freddie, and subsidisation of the housing markets in general ... it is about the way the Federal Reserve imposes a MASSIVE, unmitigated, and unscrupulous moral hazard on the system ... by encouraging the largest of the large banks to be the riskiest of the risky ... ensuring that when a crisis does develop, it will not be a mom and pop problem, it will be a systemic problem originating from the very top, the very height, the very largest and most gargantuan of banking institutions -- Lehman, Merril, BoA, Wachovia, WAMU, AIG etc etc etc etc ...
This shit can ONLY happen because of The Federal Reserve, and the fiscal policy that entails ... the policy of manipulating interest rates to serve the top 1% of the top 1% ... the arrangement of a CARTEL to serve the banks ... to funnel money at below market rates to the top of the top ... to be leveraged out tens and hundreds of times over through loans, and through derivatives investments, and to be funneled out in to the system willy nilly ...
and one day ... OF COURSE ... OF COURSE ONE DAY IT WOULD ALL COME DOWN LIKE A HOUSE OF CARDS ...
it is not, WAS NOT, and NEVER WILL BE a sustainable model for a monetary system ... it is NOT a smart LONG TERM way to run an economy ...
what it does serve to do is provide the FALSE ILLUSION OF GROWTH, and provide VERY HANDSOME SHORT TERM PROFITS TO THE ELITE that the system was built by and for.
Unfortunately their own goddamn frankenstein monster has now come to murder them all ... their very own stupid fucking system has run amuck, and is eating itself ... imploding ... the leveraged money train has derailed and is exploding in an awesome and frightening mess ... the house of cards is tumbling down ... the loans and investments which are leveraged out 100s to 1 are failing, and now those pains are coming home to fuck the elite in the face ... now they OWE 100s of dollars for every 1 dollar they PRETENDED to have.
The smoke and mirrors are falling to the side, and it is becoming obvious that the system is COMPLETELY BROKEN.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PRESIDENT!
I would NOT EXPECT the president to understand what the fuck is going on right now. It is above the heads of half of the fucking economists in this country ...
Fuck i had some jerk on here come after me and tell me i was an idiot for saying that our dollars are nothing more than debt notes, and that our money supply is one in the same with our national debt ... it IS our national debt ...
and this motherfucker tells me he went to an ivy league school to study economics and that i'm a dipshit.
Well HE couldn't be more wrong ... and if that is the kind of arrogant, mislead, uninformed, and completely unaware economists that our top tier schools our turning out, NO WONDER WE'RE FUCKED.
And NO WONDER our presidents can't fathom what the fuck is going on.
again, in simple english: THIS IS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM OF EPIC PROPORTIONS, STEMMING FROM IRRATIONAL AND UNSUSTAINABLE FISCAL and MONETARY POLICY, PRIMARILY REGARDING THE ORIGINATION OF CREDIT IN THIS COUNTRY, AND OF THE FAULTY INSTITUTIONS THAT DO SO.
IN THE WORDS OF OUR GREAT FOREFATHERS:
"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, so much as downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation."
John Adams
and
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson
THOSE WORDS SEND FUCKING SHIVERS UP MY SPINE.
I posted this shit on here endlessly last year, and was mocked just as many times.
maybe now people will start to shake their damn heads, realize what the fuck happened, AND THEN START SHAKING THEIR FISTS IN VIOLENT ANGER at the system which has been cast upon them to destroy them, and those that would seek to maintain it for their own personal profit and power!
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
But now we are faced with the issue ... "Who's going to lead us out of this?"
Can we have your thoughts on that?
Yes DriftingByStorm please continue on, you share a wise perspective.
Though one point doesn't align for me, you quoted (2) Presidents who understood what was going on. Granted they were our 2nd & 3rd respectively. They were Presidents with understanding and foresight. How can we not hold our current President and past presidents accountable on the very same? Excuse my ignorance please, just a question ...
Yes DriftingByStorm please continue on, you share a wise perspective.
Though one point doesn't align for me, you quoted (2) Presidents who understood what was going on. Granted they were our 2nd & 3rd respectively. They were Presidents with understanding and foresight. How can we not hold our current President and past presidents accountable on the very same? Excuse my ignorance please, just a question ...
eh.
i think you have a point there.
A president SHOULD be able to grasp the fundamental nature of credit in our country. Clearly Ron Paul gets it.
I guess the difference i was seeing is that we are dealing with a new world, where specialization of skill is so minutely specific that expecting someone like the president to understand the INTRICACIES of our current system in detail is probably not a likely scenario.
I will, on the otherhand, concede that most of these candidates DO understand a LOT more than they let on about the FUNDAMENTAL nature of this crisis. The problem is, they would be FOOLS to admit it to the public, because, as Henry Ford said,
"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
So, H&D, perhaps you are correct, that i am just being naive about my WISH that our leaders should also not be able to comprehend the nature of the system ... but such a suggestion (that they DO get it) leads down the rabbit hole of truth to a much darker reality ... the idea that the government does not exist to serve you, but only to protect the interests of the most elite players in the game, and that they will lie to you endlessly about the nature of the problem, in order to keep you distracted.
"Hey, McCain is an idiot, he doesn't get it!"
When, perhaps, as you so suggest, they BOTH really do get it, and get it on the whole, but would prefer to lie to the masses for political convenience.
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If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
What about a stupid pig comment and sex ed? We both know that when you ride the party ticket, you play by their rules untill you're elected. The mud slinging would happen regardless if neither one of them where against it
As I see it, the Dems do most of the attacking. Count it and tell me I'm wrong. And McCain is usually the first person to tell you that he is not up to speed with something.
There was an article in The Atlantic that stated that the Dems had produced the most attack ads but the majority focused on McCain's stance on issues. The McCain campaign's attack ads, while fewer, focused more on personal attacks against Obama himself.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
A president SHOULD be able to grasp the fundamental nature of credit in our country. Clearly Ron Paul gets it.
I guess the difference i was seeing is that we are dealing with a new world, where specialization of skill is so minutely specific that expecting someone like the president to understand the INTRICACIES of our current system in detail is probably not a likely scenario.
I will, on the otherhand, concede that most of these candidates DO understand a LOT more than they let on about the FUNDAMENTAL nature of this crisis. The problem is, they would be FOOLS to admit it to the public, because, as Henry Ford said,
"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
So, H&D, perhaps you are correct, that i am just being naive about my WISH that our leaders should also not be able to comprehend the nature of the system ... but such a suggestion (that they DO get it) leads down the rabbit hole of truth to a much darker reality ... the idea that the government does not exist to serve you, but only to protect the interests of the most elite players in the game, and that they will lie to you endlessly about the nature of the problem, in order to keep you distracted.
"Hey, McCain is an idiot, he doesn't get it!"
When, perhaps, as you so suggest, they BOTH really do get it, and get it on the whole, but would prefer to lie to the masses for political convenience.
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I understand what you are saying. I'm not accusing you of being naive. : )
I myself am and am finally growing a needed awareness about the system. I'm much older than you ... well better late than never!
The things you share are making me look deeper into issues and this is greatly appreciated.
When you have some time check out the link below. I am as well. Something I should have been doing all along, as well for State Budgets (at least my own state). This at least gives a better understanding of how things are created and appropriated. http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/about.html
Budget of the United States Government: About
According to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, the president must annually submit a budget to Congress by the first Monday in February. The proposed spending plan, the president's budget must show:
* The condition of the Treasury at the end of the last completed fiscal year.
* The estimated condition of the Treasury at the end of the current fiscal year.
* The estimated condition of the Treasury at the end of the next fiscal year if the budget proposals are carried out.
The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) assists the president in the creation of the president's budget by gathering data from agencies and compiling it into the final plan to be approved by the president.
The totals for the current and upcoming fiscal years are only projected amounts. Annual budget documents provide Congress, State and local governments, and the public with a complete description of the president's budget plans for the coming fiscal year. Other related and supporting budget publications, such as the Economic Report of the President, are included, which may vary from year to year.
I feel the system has become a mockery. How many times have I written that in that last ten days! : ) frustration ... How is it gonna get balanced? Can we get a Ron Paul in, who has foresight, experience and understanding in many areas, at least for a term? Probably not this time around. Though, If enough of us get sick enough of the crap being spoon fed, then maybe. The system, unfortunately is what it is. It seems it would take a few years to get things in balance and a sure fight from those comfy inside. In my own naivety, to me Washington has become this "political machine" based on lies and lobbyists. Are there any earnest folks or are they all just workin' the established system? Hell I live in Chicago and am in the heart of a corrupt "political machine"! It is all hard to fathom.
In commentary to the specialization. There is truth to that, though there has to be some accountability and understanding. Which directly stems to the budget and the Federal Reserve. These folks, or many, know how this system works, they do. Especially President Bush, he isn't as dumb as he seems and neither is Cheney. To me, unfortunately, there is a darker side to things ... and that is all I can muster on this at the moment.
Please keep sharing your views, they sure stretch mine. I've got a bit more research and understanding to do on my own accord!
Have you guys watch the whole video? He answer that question rather well.
I couple of months ago I was on the fence about who to vote for. I came to this board to try to get a different perspective, and since I started reading the post on this board, they have pushed me to vote for McCain with more confidence. For every post people put on this board about McCain, I look into to it and find where they get their facts. Well all its done was convince me more that McCain is the right man for the job. I haven't read a post yet that hasn't been taken way out of context and cherry picked lines to make it seem like hes another GW Bush. Some of you are no better then the ultra right.
Thanks for the push. And just think, I gave Obama and Nader a consideration this time around. You guys should keep your opinions to this board, you might turn people away, and vote for another "4 years of Bush".
I don't post anti Obama posts that paint him to be an evil man, hes smart man with a lot of good ideas. I just don't think hes ready to be President.
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So... in other words...
You let the opinions of anonymous posters on a Rock Band's message board influence your decision on whom to vote for?
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Well...
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Ummmmm...
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yeah.. 'Informed Voter'...
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Couple of things ... No. 1 ... again with you people taking that "fundamentals" comment out of context ... way to ignore everything after the "but."
Secondly, I don't know why McCain's campaign is sitting on their thumbs here, but they could be completely evicerating Obama on the mortgage crisis. I mean, they could be killing him.
In 2005, McCain co-sponsored a bill in the Senate to try and head off exactly what happened to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. His comments, which are public record on the Senate floor, chillingly predicted exactly what happened.
Thanks to McCain's cohorts in the Senate, including Mr. Obama, who voted against it, that bill didn't pass.
Why would Obama vote against such a bill? Maybe he just didn't see the crisis looming. Or maybe it's because HE WAS IN THE POCKET OF FANNIE MAE.
He took more money from that mortgage company than any member of the Senate outside of Chris Dodd. He had Frannie Mae's back, even as Frannie Mae continued to basically defraud homeowners left and right. (But, somehow, he's been able to skate free on the claim that he doesn't have lobbyists).
For some reason, McCain has been slow to seize this issue, and I don't know why.
Between this and the allegation that Obama apparently when behind our government's back to try and delay any Iraq withdrawal ... McCain should be killing him right now.
It's as if the McCain camp decided to run on that platform of, "Hey, ain't Sarah Palin cool" and let down its guard ... It will be interesting to see how much traction, if any, they can get on this issue in the days to come.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Couple of things ... No. 1 ... again with you people taking that "fundamentals" comment out of context ... way to ignore everything after the "but."
Secondly, I don't know why McCain's campaign is sitting on their thumbs here, but they could be completely evicerating Obama on the mortgage crisis. I mean, they could be killing him.
In 2005, McCain co-sponsored a bill in the Senate to try and head off exactly what happened to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. His comments, which are public record on the Senate floor, chillingly predicted exactly what happened.
Thanks to McCain's cohorts in the Senate, including Mr. Obama, who voted against it, that bill didn't pass.
Why would Obama vote against such a bill? Maybe he just didn't see the crisis looming. Or maybe it's because HE WAS IN THE POCKET OF FANNIE MAE.
He took more money from that mortgage company than any member of the Senate outside of Chris Dodd. He had Frannie Mae's back, even as Frannie Mae continued to basically defraud homeowners left and right. (But, somehow, he's been able to skate free on the claim that he doesn't have lobbyists).
For some reason, McCain has been slow to seize this issue, and I don't know why.
Between this and the allegation that Obama apparently when behind our government's back to try and delay any Iraq withdrawal ... McCain should be killing him right now.
It's as if the McCain camp decided to run on that platform of, "Hey, ain't Sarah Palin cool" and let down its guard ... It will be interesting to see how much traction, if any, they can get on this issue in the days to come.
Just out of curiosity do you have any sources for this information?? Not calling you a liar...just would like to know where your info came from is all...and some of what you said is kinda vague. What Bill did McCain try to pass to head off the Fannie May thing??
and I'd love to hear more about your alligations that Obama TOOK more money from the mortgage company? Campaign contributions or something??
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Just out of curiosity do you have any sources for this information?? Not calling you a liar...just would like to know where your info came from is all...and some of what you said is kinda vague. What Bill did McCain try to pass to head off the Fannie May thing??
and I'd love to hear more about your alligations that Obama TOOK more money from the mortgage company? Campaign contributions or something??
I would actually love to find a site that details exactly who gave what to what politician, but I haven't found one yet. That way, I could know who Obama, McCain, etc. have been receviving their money from. Hopefully, sleightofjeff can supply us with one.
Just out of curiosity do you have any sources for this information?? Not calling you a liar...just would like to know where your info came from is all...and some of what you said is kinda vague. What Bill did McCain try to pass to head off the Fannie May thing??
and I'd love to hear more about your alligations that Obama TOOK more money from the mortgage company? Campaign contributions or something??
Here are McCain's comments on the floor of the U.S. Senate, May 25, 2005, while announcing his co-sponsorship of the (doomed) Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005 (it's kind of a long read, I think, but here goes):
"Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
"The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
"The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
"I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
"I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation."
The Barack Obama-Fannie Mae connection has been cited by various news outlets. I'll dig one up and posted it in a separate thread. It is also worth noting Obama has two main economic advisors on his campaign: A former executive at Lehman Brothers and a former CEO of Fannie Mae.
Again, unsure why McCain won't start hammering away at this.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Just out of curiosity do you have any sources for this information?? Not calling you a liar...just would like to know where your info came from is all...and some of what you said is kinda vague. What Bill did McCain try to pass to head off the Fannie May thing??
and I'd love to hear more about your alligations that Obama TOOK more money from the mortgage company? Campaign contributions or something??
Here are McCain's comments on the floor of the U.S. Senate, May 25, 2005, while announcing his co-sponsorship of the (doomed) Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005 (it's kind of a long read, I think, but here goes):
"Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
"The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
"The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
"I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
"I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation."
As for the Barack Obama-Fannie Mae connection, it has been cited by various news outlets. I'll dig one up and post it in a separate thread, since this one is getting epic. It is also worth noting Obama has two main economic advisors on his campaign: A former executive at Lehman Brothers and a former CEO of Fannie Mae.
Again, unsure why McCain won't start hammering away at this.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
This LA Times blog says Obama was the No. 1 recepient of funds from FM. It's worth noting all other sources I've seen say he's No. 2 to Christopher Dodd ...
Again, unsure why McCain won't start hammering away at this.
I do not know, but it might be that McCain doesn't want that game to start because the list of Oil folks that have put into his campaign for FAR more than $111k? Or potentially others that wouldn't look so positive?
Again, I don't have the facts, but, that's my guess.
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This LA Times blog says Obama was the No. 1 recepient of funds from FM. It's worth noting all other sources I've seen say he's No. 2 to Christopher Dodd ...
Sounds like everyone took money from Fannie Mae...that said I dunno that $111,000.00 compared to the MILLIONS and MILLIONS he's raised would be enough for it to affect his policies. (I know he hadn't raised those millions at that time but I'm sure he knew he could earn it).
I dunno if anyone could have foreseen what has happened to the Mortgage market....and did anyone KNOW at the time that Fannie Mae was defrauding anyone?
I dunno if I agree with ANYONE taking money from them.
Secondly I think part of the reason McCain hasn't taken any barbs at it as there are things Obama can jab back at him for...ie...he took money too...though not as much...and I've heard his advisers arent' any better than Obamas.
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Have you guys watch the whole video? He answer that question rather well.
I couple of months ago I was on the fence about who to vote for. I came to this board to try to get a different perspective, and since I started reading the post on this board, they have pushed me to vote for McCain with more confidence. For every post people put on this board about McCain, I look into to it and find where they get their facts. Well all its done was convince me more that McCain is the right man for the job. I haven't read a post yet that hasn't been taken way out of context and cherry picked lines to make it seem like hes another GW Bush. Some of you are no better then the ultra right.
Thanks for the push. And just think, I gave Obama and Nader a consideration this time around. You guys should keep your opinions to this board, you might turn people away, and vote for another "4 years of Bush".
I don't post anti Obama posts that paint him to be an evil man, hes smart man with a lot of good ideas. I just don't think hes ready to be President.
Dude...Obama's not ready to be president? Have you checked out McCains running mate?? If that doesn't scare the living sh#t out of you???
Obama will bring this country back together, will restore pride, confidence both within the uS as well as the world. We need that. We can't afford to have McCain and nimrod in the whitehouse.
Dude...Obama's not ready to be president? Have you checked out McCains running mate?? If that doesn't scare the living sh#t out of you???
Obama will bring this country back together, will restore pride, confidence both within the uS as well as the world. We need that. We can't afford to have McCain and nimrod in the whitehouse.
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You can't take the guy too seriously... he's saying that it was the comments and opinions of unknown posters on a Rock Band's message board that made his decision to vote for McCain.
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Dude...Obama's not ready to be president? Have you checked out McCains running mate?? If that doesn't scare the living sh#t out of you???
Obama will bring this country back together, will restore pride, confidence both within the uS as well as the world. We need that. We can't afford to have McCain and nimrod in the whitehouse.
NOW HERE THIS!!! SARAH PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT! JOHN MCCAIN IS!
THANK YOU!!
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NOW HERE THIS!!! SARAH PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT! JOHN MCCAIN IS!
THANK YOU!!
Yeaaaah, hear ya! Now hear this ... if anything happens to McCain she will be acting President! No frickin' way! She is so not ready for the VP position let alone stand in Prez!
This LA Times blog says Obama was the No. 1 recepient of funds from FM. It's worth noting all other sources I've seen say he's No. 2 to Christopher Dodd ...
Sean Hannity just lobbed a softball at Sarah Palin .. .asking her since Obama received the 2nd most about of money form Fannie / Fredie employees (all of $111k) ... should he (and others receiving campaign funds) be investigated ...
she totally sidestepped the "investigation" portion of that question and just spoke of "crony-ism" ... so, I'm guessing she's been told not to talk about investigating who is donating to campaigns.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Sean Hannity just lobbed a softball at Sarah Palin .. .asking her since Obama received the 2nd most about of money form Fannie / Fredie employees (all of $111k) ... should he (and others receiving campaign funds) be investigated ...
she totally sidestepped the "investigation" portion of that question and just spoke of "crony-ism" ... so, I'm guessing she's been told not to talk about investigating who is donating to campaigns.
She is speaking "crony-ism"?! Have to listen in context, though sure sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
"The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
The Barack Obama-Fannie Mae connection has been cited by various news outlets. I'll dig one up and posted it in a separate thread. It is also worth noting Obama has two main economic advisors on his campaign: A former executive at Lehman Brothers and a former CEO of Fannie Mae.
Again, unsure why McCain won't start hammering away at this.
McCain on radio today that he was going to start hammering on this especially since Mr. Franklin Raines referenced in this speech is currently one of Obama's chief economic advisers.
So is Obama going to consult with the guy who helped cause the whole mortgage problem to solve it?
NOW HERE THIS!!! SARAH PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT! JOHN MCCAIN IS!
THANK YOU!!
He's an older human being...with higher chances of being incapacitated....so there's a decent chance she will become president..but just the act of him picking a nimrod should make you run.
NOW HERE THIS!!! SARAH PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT! JOHN MCCAIN IS!
THANK YOU!!
NOW HEAR THIS JOHN MCCAIN IS 72 YEARS OLD, NOT IN TIP TOP SHAPE PHYSICALLY AND ADD THE STRESS OF BEING THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD...GOOD CHANCE THE DUDE WILL PASS ON BEFORE THE END OF HIS TERM!!!!!!
As much as you hate Obama...are you REALLY ok with the prospect of President Palin???
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I do not know, but it might be that McCain doesn't want that game to start because the list of Oil folks that have put into his campaign for FAR more than $111k? Or potentially others that wouldn't look so positive?
Again, I don't have the facts, but, that's my guess.
That definitely could be, but if I'm the McCain camp, I say fuck it. The housing crisis is the top issue right now. If you've got ammo on that front, you just have to use it.
Maybe they will.
After all, McCain doesn't know how to use the Internet, so maybe he's just slow
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
NOW HEAR THIS JOHN MCCAIN IS 72 YEARS OLD, NOT IN TIP TOP SHAPE PHYSICALLY AND ADD THE STRESS OF BEING THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD...GOOD CHANCE THE DUDE WILL PASS ON BEFORE THE END OF HIS TERM!!!!!!
As much as you hate Obama...are you REALLY ok with the prospect of President Palin???
Obama scares me more. Do you really think he will lower our taxes? Maybe he will lower our income tax, and raise corporate taxes. Then the business pass the cost of the new tax on them to us the consumer, and then the government takes more for sales tax. So raisin corporate taxes is not trully a good thing.
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Obama scares me more. Do you really think he will lower our taxes? Maybe he will lower our income tax, and raise corporate taxes. Then the business pass the cost of the new tax on them to us the consumer, and then the government takes more for sales tax. So raisin corporate taxes is not trully a good thing.
Explain to me this, then. Let's hypothesize for a moment that maybe, just maybe, keeping tax levels stable or a slight raise in taxes is not the death knell to the economy that some conservatives theorize, particularly from the policies directed by the Executive branch...
In the past twenty-eight years, we've had twelve years under two Republican administrations, eight years of a Democratic administration, and eight years of a Republican administration. At the end of the first twelve years, we were nearing a recession. By the end of the Democratic administration we were in a surplus, and our economy was relatively strong. Now, at the end of eight years of a Republican administration, we face economic crisis again. Why is it that in recent history, our economy has prospered under a Democratic administration and floundered under Republican administration? And if this is the case, why are people so concerned about possibly using Democratic economic policies?
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Yep, pretty much it. I didn't know shit about what was going on untill I came here.
The current crisis IS NOT PARTISAN.
As much as crazy libs want to sit on this board and blame everything that has gone wrong in the past year on this administration, and on bush and his cronies and their war profiteering, and bad foreign and domestic policy, THIS CRISIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION.
IT IS A SYSTEMIC ISSUE
People need to get a grasp on the reality of this FISCAL problem.
This crisis is a MONETARY one.
It stems directly from poor institutional fundamentals.
We have\had a HIGHLY LEVERAGED SYSTEM that was DESTINED to break down at some point, and unfortunately that breakdown is apparently going to be catastrophic (or nearly so).
The war in iraq, the spending it entailed, education, tax cuts, health care, job creation, NONE OF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
I'm sorry folks. It just isn't so.
Those things may suck, and they may have lead to their own problems in time, and they may BE problems in their own right, but they have ZERO to do with what is catastrophically fucked up right now.
We are experiencing a problem due to bad systemic arrangements in the BANKING sector alone. It is about greedy banks with poor (deliberately so) underwriting standards - GIVING STUPID LOANS TO STUPID PEOPLE - and even worse, it is about a system which guarantees catastrophic failure - Fannie\Freddie, and subsidisation of the housing markets in general ... it is about the way the Federal Reserve imposes a MASSIVE, unmitigated, and unscrupulous moral hazard on the system ... by encouraging the largest of the large banks to be the riskiest of the risky ... ensuring that when a crisis does develop, it will not be a mom and pop problem, it will be a systemic problem originating from the very top, the very height, the very largest and most gargantuan of banking institutions -- Lehman, Merril, BoA, Wachovia, WAMU, AIG etc etc etc etc ...
This shit can ONLY happen because of The Federal Reserve, and the fiscal policy that entails ... the policy of manipulating interest rates to serve the top 1% of the top 1% ... the arrangement of a CARTEL to serve the banks ... to funnel money at below market rates to the top of the top ... to be leveraged out tens and hundreds of times over through loans, and through derivatives investments, and to be funneled out in to the system willy nilly ...
and one day ... OF COURSE ... OF COURSE ONE DAY IT WOULD ALL COME DOWN LIKE A HOUSE OF CARDS ...
it is not, WAS NOT, and NEVER WILL BE a sustainable model for a monetary system ... it is NOT a smart LONG TERM way to run an economy ...
what it does serve to do is provide the FALSE ILLUSION OF GROWTH, and provide VERY HANDSOME SHORT TERM PROFITS TO THE ELITE that the system was built by and for.
Unfortunately their own goddamn frankenstein monster has now come to murder them all ... their very own stupid fucking system has run amuck, and is eating itself ... imploding ... the leveraged money train has derailed and is exploding in an awesome and frightening mess ... the house of cards is tumbling down ... the loans and investments which are leveraged out 100s to 1 are failing, and now those pains are coming home to fuck the elite in the face ... now they OWE 100s of dollars for every 1 dollar they PRETENDED to have.
The smoke and mirrors are falling to the side, and it is becoming obvious that the system is COMPLETELY BROKEN.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PRESIDENT!
I would NOT EXPECT the president to understand what the fuck is going on right now. It is above the heads of half of the fucking economists in this country ...
Fuck i had some jerk on here come after me and tell me i was an idiot for saying that our dollars are nothing more than debt notes, and that our money supply is one in the same with our national debt ... it IS our national debt ...
and this motherfucker tells me he went to an ivy league school to study economics and that i'm a dipshit.
Well HE couldn't be more wrong ... and if that is the kind of arrogant, mislead, uninformed, and completely unaware economists that our top tier schools our turning out, NO WONDER WE'RE FUCKED.
And NO WONDER our presidents can't fathom what the fuck is going on.
again, in simple english:
THIS IS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM OF EPIC PROPORTIONS, STEMMING FROM IRRATIONAL AND UNSUSTAINABLE FISCAL and MONETARY POLICY, PRIMARILY REGARDING THE ORIGINATION OF CREDIT IN THIS COUNTRY, AND OF THE FAULTY INSTITUTIONS THAT DO SO.
IN THE WORDS OF OUR GREAT FOREFATHERS:
"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, so much as downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation."
John Adams
and
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Thomas Jefferson
THOSE WORDS SEND FUCKING SHIVERS UP MY SPINE.
I posted this shit on here endlessly last year, and was mocked just as many times.
maybe now people will start to shake their damn heads, realize what the fuck happened, AND THEN START SHAKING THEIR FISTS IN VIOLENT ANGER at the system which has been cast upon them to destroy them, and those that would seek to maintain it for their own personal profit and power!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Can we have your thoughts on that?
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Yes DriftingByStorm please continue on, you share a wise perspective.
Though one point doesn't align for me, you quoted (2) Presidents who understood what was going on. Granted they were our 2nd & 3rd respectively. They were Presidents with understanding and foresight. How can we not hold our current President and past presidents accountable on the very same? Excuse my ignorance please, just a question ...
eh.
i think you have a point there.
A president SHOULD be able to grasp the fundamental nature of credit in our country. Clearly Ron Paul gets it.
I guess the difference i was seeing is that we are dealing with a new world, where specialization of skill is so minutely specific that expecting someone like the president to understand the INTRICACIES of our current system in detail is probably not a likely scenario.
I will, on the otherhand, concede that most of these candidates DO understand a LOT more than they let on about the FUNDAMENTAL nature of this crisis. The problem is, they would be FOOLS to admit it to the public, because, as Henry Ford said,
"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
So, H&D, perhaps you are correct, that i am just being naive about my WISH that our leaders should also not be able to comprehend the nature of the system ... but such a suggestion (that they DO get it) leads down the rabbit hole of truth to a much darker reality ... the idea that the government does not exist to serve you, but only to protect the interests of the most elite players in the game, and that they will lie to you endlessly about the nature of the problem, in order to keep you distracted.
"Hey, McCain is an idiot, he doesn't get it!"
When, perhaps, as you so suggest, they BOTH really do get it, and get it on the whole, but would prefer to lie to the masses for political convenience.
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
There was an article in The Atlantic that stated that the Dems had produced the most attack ads but the majority focused on McCain's stance on issues. The McCain campaign's attack ads, while fewer, focused more on personal attacks against Obama himself.
Dr Paul was talking about this 5 years ago.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul128.html
I understand what you are saying. I'm not accusing you of being naive. : )
I myself am and am finally growing a needed awareness about the system. I'm much older than you ... well better late than never!
The things you share are making me look deeper into issues and this is greatly appreciated.
When you have some time check out the link below. I am as well. Something I should have been doing all along, as well for State Budgets (at least my own state). This at least gives a better understanding of how things are created and appropriated.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/about.html
Budget of the United States Government: About
According to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, the president must annually submit a budget to Congress by the first Monday in February. The proposed spending plan, the president's budget must show:
* The condition of the Treasury at the end of the last completed fiscal year.
* The estimated condition of the Treasury at the end of the current fiscal year.
* The estimated condition of the Treasury at the end of the next fiscal year if the budget proposals are carried out.
The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) assists the president in the creation of the president's budget by gathering data from agencies and compiling it into the final plan to be approved by the president.
The totals for the current and upcoming fiscal years are only projected amounts. Annual budget documents provide Congress, State and local governments, and the public with a complete description of the president's budget plans for the coming fiscal year. Other related and supporting budget publications, such as the Economic Report of the President, are included, which may vary from year to year.
I feel the system has become a mockery. How many times have I written that in that last ten days! : ) frustration ... How is it gonna get balanced? Can we get a Ron Paul in, who has foresight, experience and understanding in many areas, at least for a term? Probably not this time around. Though, If enough of us get sick enough of the crap being spoon fed, then maybe. The system, unfortunately is what it is. It seems it would take a few years to get things in balance and a sure fight from those comfy inside. In my own naivety, to me Washington has become this "political machine" based on lies and lobbyists. Are there any earnest folks or are they all just workin' the established system? Hell I live in Chicago and am in the heart of a corrupt "political machine"! It is all hard to fathom.
In commentary to the specialization. There is truth to that, though there has to be some accountability and understanding. Which directly stems to the budget and the Federal Reserve. These folks, or many, know how this system works, they do. Especially President Bush, he isn't as dumb as he seems and neither is Cheney. To me, unfortunately, there is a darker side to things ... and that is all I can muster on this at the moment.
Please keep sharing your views, they sure stretch mine. I've got a bit more research and understanding to do on my own accord!
: ) h&d
If I opened it now would you not understand?
So... in other words...
You let the opinions of anonymous posters on a Rock Band's message board influence your decision on whom to vote for?
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Well...
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Ummmmm...
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yeah.. 'Informed Voter'...
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Hail, Hail!!!
Secondly, I don't know why McCain's campaign is sitting on their thumbs here, but they could be completely evicerating Obama on the mortgage crisis. I mean, they could be killing him.
In 2005, McCain co-sponsored a bill in the Senate to try and head off exactly what happened to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. His comments, which are public record on the Senate floor, chillingly predicted exactly what happened.
Thanks to McCain's cohorts in the Senate, including Mr. Obama, who voted against it, that bill didn't pass.
Why would Obama vote against such a bill? Maybe he just didn't see the crisis looming. Or maybe it's because HE WAS IN THE POCKET OF FANNIE MAE.
He took more money from that mortgage company than any member of the Senate outside of Chris Dodd. He had Frannie Mae's back, even as Frannie Mae continued to basically defraud homeowners left and right. (But, somehow, he's been able to skate free on the claim that he doesn't have lobbyists).
For some reason, McCain has been slow to seize this issue, and I don't know why.
Between this and the allegation that Obama apparently when behind our government's back to try and delay any Iraq withdrawal ... McCain should be killing him right now.
It's as if the McCain camp decided to run on that platform of, "Hey, ain't Sarah Palin cool" and let down its guard ... It will be interesting to see how much traction, if any, they can get on this issue in the days to come.
for the least they could possibly do
Just out of curiosity do you have any sources for this information?? Not calling you a liar...just would like to know where your info came from is all...and some of what you said is kinda vague. What Bill did McCain try to pass to head off the Fannie May thing??
and I'd love to hear more about your alligations that Obama TOOK more money from the mortgage company? Campaign contributions or something??
I would actually love to find a site that details exactly who gave what to what politician, but I haven't found one yet. That way, I could know who Obama, McCain, etc. have been receviving their money from. Hopefully, sleightofjeff can supply us with one.
Here are McCain's comments on the floor of the U.S. Senate, May 25, 2005, while announcing his co-sponsorship of the (doomed) Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005 (it's kind of a long read, I think, but here goes):
"Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
"The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
"The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
"I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
"I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation."
The Barack Obama-Fannie Mae connection has been cited by various news outlets. I'll dig one up and posted it in a separate thread. It is also worth noting Obama has two main economic advisors on his campaign: A former executive at Lehman Brothers and a former CEO of Fannie Mae.
Again, unsure why McCain won't start hammering away at this.
for the least they could possibly do
Here are McCain's comments on the floor of the U.S. Senate, May 25, 2005, while announcing his co-sponsorship of the (doomed) Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005 (it's kind of a long read, I think, but here goes):
"Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
"The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
"The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
"I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
"I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation."
As for the Barack Obama-Fannie Mae connection, it has been cited by various news outlets. I'll dig one up and post it in a separate thread, since this one is getting epic. It is also worth noting Obama has two main economic advisors on his campaign: A former executive at Lehman Brothers and a former CEO of Fannie Mae.
Again, unsure why McCain won't start hammering away at this.
for the least they could possibly do
This LA Times blog says Obama was the No. 1 recepient of funds from FM. It's worth noting all other sources I've seen say he's No. 2 to Christopher Dodd ...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/mortgage-giants.html
for the least they could possibly do
I do not know, but it might be that McCain doesn't want that game to start because the list of Oil folks that have put into his campaign for FAR more than $111k? Or potentially others that wouldn't look so positive?
Again, I don't have the facts, but, that's my guess.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Thank you for both posts and the link
Trying to let everything I've read sink in.
Sounds like everyone took money from Fannie Mae...that said I dunno that $111,000.00 compared to the MILLIONS and MILLIONS he's raised would be enough for it to affect his policies. (I know he hadn't raised those millions at that time but I'm sure he knew he could earn it).
I dunno if anyone could have foreseen what has happened to the Mortgage market....and did anyone KNOW at the time that Fannie Mae was defrauding anyone?
I dunno if I agree with ANYONE taking money from them.
Secondly I think part of the reason McCain hasn't taken any barbs at it as there are things Obama can jab back at him for...ie...he took money too...though not as much...and I've heard his advisers arent' any better than Obamas.
Obama will bring this country back together, will restore pride, confidence both within the uS as well as the world. We need that. We can't afford to have McCain and nimrod in the whitehouse.
You can't take the guy too seriously... he's saying that it was the comments and opinions of unknown posters on a Rock Band's message board that made his decision to vote for McCain.
Hail, Hail!!!
NOW HERE THIS!!! SARAH PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT! JOHN MCCAIN IS!
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Yeaaaah, hear ya! Now hear this ... if anything happens to McCain she will be acting President! No frickin' way! She is so not ready for the VP position let alone stand in Prez!
Sean Hannity just lobbed a softball at Sarah Palin .. .asking her since Obama received the 2nd most about of money form Fannie / Fredie employees (all of $111k) ... should he (and others receiving campaign funds) be investigated ...
she totally sidestepped the "investigation" portion of that question and just spoke of "crony-ism" ... so, I'm guessing she's been told not to talk about investigating who is donating to campaigns.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
She is speaking "crony-ism"?! Have to listen in context, though sure sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
McCain on radio today that he was going to start hammering on this especially since Mr. Franklin Raines referenced in this speech is currently one of Obama's chief economic advisers.
So is Obama going to consult with the guy who helped cause the whole mortgage problem to solve it?
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He's an older human being...with higher chances of being incapacitated....so there's a decent chance she will become president..but just the act of him picking a nimrod should make you run.
NOW HEAR THIS JOHN MCCAIN IS 72 YEARS OLD, NOT IN TIP TOP SHAPE PHYSICALLY AND ADD THE STRESS OF BEING THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD...GOOD CHANCE THE DUDE WILL PASS ON BEFORE THE END OF HIS TERM!!!!!!
As much as you hate Obama...are you REALLY ok with the prospect of President Palin???
That definitely could be, but if I'm the McCain camp, I say fuck it. The housing crisis is the top issue right now. If you've got ammo on that front, you just have to use it.
Maybe they will.
After all, McCain doesn't know how to use the Internet, so maybe he's just slow
for the least they could possibly do
Obama scares me more. Do you really think he will lower our taxes? Maybe he will lower our income tax, and raise corporate taxes. Then the business pass the cost of the new tax on them to us the consumer, and then the government takes more for sales tax. So raisin corporate taxes is not trully a good thing.
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Explain to me this, then. Let's hypothesize for a moment that maybe, just maybe, keeping tax levels stable or a slight raise in taxes is not the death knell to the economy that some conservatives theorize, particularly from the policies directed by the Executive branch...
In the past twenty-eight years, we've had twelve years under two Republican administrations, eight years of a Democratic administration, and eight years of a Republican administration. At the end of the first twelve years, we were nearing a recession. By the end of the Democratic administration we were in a surplus, and our economy was relatively strong. Now, at the end of eight years of a Republican administration, we face economic crisis again. Why is it that in recent history, our economy has prospered under a Democratic administration and floundered under Republican administration? And if this is the case, why are people so concerned about possibly using Democratic economic policies?