No Trees - Life Will Cease

kay stewart

'Nothing affects just ONE' ...in all capacities, for everyone and everything, whereas : NO TREES - LIFE WILL CEASE!
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been established by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programm (UNEP) to assess scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of climate change, it's potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation.
The IPCC (AR4) is the 4th such report spanning MANY decades of accumulated information which you can access at : http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/climatechange/ then click on IPCC (AR4) 'summary for POLICYMAKERS'. There is MUCH information, and it is NOT!! for the faint-of-heart!!!
As you search through the massive, and BLEAK, report(s) summaries : keep this in mind ...for every ACRE of AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING TREES it "sequesters" about 4 metric tons of carbon annually! That's 2204.62 POUNDS of carbon!!!
Q : WHY are INDUSTRIES/DEVELOPEMENTS/PROGRESS -(?) allowed to continue to devastatingly DEPLETE our AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING woodlands & forests? Will all THEIR money be worth the LOSS?!!!
It is stated : The only concrete goal was to INCREASE forest cover in the region by at LEAST 50 million acres by 2020 - enough to absorb about 11 percent of the greenhouse gases the world emitted in 2004.
Q : Do you know how long it takes to grow a mature AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING TREE? (Another noteworthy site is : http://www.nifc.gov/fire_info/nfn.htm)
check it regularly as it INCREASES daily!!
It is also stated : Both past and future anthropogenic -(that's human contribution)- carbon dioxide emissions will CONTINUE to contribute to warming and sea level rise for more than a MILLENNIUM, due to the time scales for REMOVAL of this gas from the atmosphere.
Whether you 'believe' in sciences ...we are in the midst of a dramatic EVOLUTION, or in the BIBLE ...the end IS near, I have stated 2 facts at the start of this : 'NOTHING affects just ONE' and 'NO TREES - LIFE WILL CEASE'!
PRAYERS - PATIENCE - PEACE

DriftingByTheStorm

i didn't find out about this site until i moved out of the northern virginia area.

now that i know about it, i am sad i didn't volunteer.

actually thinkin' about movin back in with mom, just to spend a few months at this place:
trees for the future.org

you can volunteer time there in several capacities.
looks like they will take ANY one, as opposed to some of these fru-fru groups that require degrees and shtuff.




PS - and WELCOME TO THE BOARD!
i can't believe you wanted that as your first post, you little tree-hugger you!

surferdude

kay stewart wrote:

'Nothing affects just ONE' ...in all capacities, for everyone and everything, whereas : NO TREES - LIFE WILL CEASE!
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been established by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programm (UNEP) to assess scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of climate change, it's potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation.
The IPCC (AR4) is the 4th such report spanning MANY decades of accumulated information which you can access at : http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/climatechange/ then click on IPCC (AR4) 'summary for POLICYMAKERS'. There is MUCH information, and it is NOT!! for the faint-of-heart!!!
As you search through the massive, and BLEAK, report(s) summaries : keep this in mind ...for every ACRE of AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING TREES it "sequesters" about 4 metric tons of carbon annually! That's 2204.62 POUNDS of carbon!!!
Q : WHY are INDUSTRIES/DEVELOPEMENTS/PROGRESS -(?) allowed to continue to devastatingly DEPLETE our AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING woodlands & forests? Will all THEIR money be worth the LOSS?!!!
It is stated : The only concrete goal was to INCREASE forest cover in the region by at LEAST 50 million acres by 2020 - enough to absorb about 11 percent of the greenhouse gases the world emitted in 2004.
Q : Do you know how long it takes to grow a mature AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING TREE? (Another noteworthy site is : http://www.nifc.gov/fire_info/nfn.htm)
check it regularly as it INCREASES daily!!
It is also stated : Both past and future anthropogenic -(that's human contribution)- carbon dioxide emissions will CONTINUE to contribute to warming and sea level rise for more than a MILLENNIUM, due to the time scales for REMOVAL of this gas from the atmosphere.
Whether you 'believe' in sciences ...we are in the midst of a dramatic EVOLUTION, or in the BIBLE ...the end IS near, I have stated 2 facts at the start of this : 'NOTHING affects just ONE' and 'NO TREES - LIFE WILL CEASE'!
PRAYERS - PATIENCE - PEACE

If you feel so strongly about it you have the choice of knocking down the building where you live. Plant a grove of trees and live in the trees.

gue_barium

surferdude wrote:

If you feel so strongly about it you have the choice of knocking down the building where you live. Plant a grove of trees and live in the trees.

Hubris

n : overbearing pride or presumption,
exaggerated pride or self-confidence

RolandTD20Kdrummer

surferdude wrote:

If you feel so strongly about it you have the choice of knocking down the building where you live. Plant a grove of trees and live in the trees.

Uhhhm...why would anyone have to do that? Don't you know how it works?
http://plant-trees.org/about/mission.htm

surferdude

gue_barium wrote:

Hubris

n : overbearing pride or presumption,
exaggerated pride or self-confidence

Not at all. I'm pointing out that if she really cares her actions should follow her words. I'm sure she is a consumer of wood products. That makes her the problem not corporations. I'm so tired of people blaming corporations for supplying the products consumers demand. No one is preventing her from limiting her impact on the environment but herself.

She's posting on the internet, she has chosen to not lessen her impact. Many parts of the computer she uses are petroleum by products. There's a huge problem with the reycling of used computers. Then there's the electricity required to run the computer and the housing required to shelter the computer.

The consumer has the responsibility. She asks "WHY are INDUSTRIES/DEVELOPEMENTS/PROGRESS -(?) allowed to continue to devastatingly DEPLETE our AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING woodlands & forests?" Because consumers like her demand products that require the industries to "devastatingly DEPLETE our AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING woodlands & forests".

surferdude

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Uhhhm...why would anyone have to do that? Don't you know how it works?
http://plant-trees.org/about/mission.htm

I know how it works. If she wants more trees she could plant them where she lives and lead a life that lessens her impact on the environment. All over this enviro religion I see people wanting everyone to change their habits. Every where I look people say the responsibility starts with others. It's bullshit.

Nice link. They want to help developping countries. See, it's all about others bearing the responsibility. It's all about well I live in a developped nation and I'm not changing my lifestyle. But you shmucks in the third world, well we'll just slow your development and shackle it with enviro laws just so I can feel good about my consumption habits.

kay stewart

"THANK YOU" for the 'welcome'. I failed to mention that my therory is : Awareness is HALF the battle! Once there is awareness then the "battle", and HOPEFULLY with the power of MANY, perhaps -(?) there IS a fighting chance! On the 'scientific' side : it's hard to ignore the evidence of SO many over decades of information!! On the 'spiritual' side : HASN'T it been written to come to pass?! It is somewhat befitting that the sinful/illicit nature of 'MANKIND' began with a TREE, therefore shall end with (the lack of) TREES!

decides2dream

kay stewart wrote:

"THANK YOU" for the 'welcome'. I failed to mention that my therory is : Awareness is HALF the battle! Once there is awareness then the "battle", and HOPEFULLY with the power of MANY, perhaps -(?) there IS a fighting chance! On the 'scientific' side : it's hard to ignore the evidence of SO many over decades of information!! On the 'spiritual' side : HASN'T it been written to come to pass?! It is somewhat befitting that the sinful/illicit nature of 'MANKIND' began with a TREE, therefore shall end with (the lack of) TREES!

indeed!
i personally am quite tired of the counter-arguement against such posts being what the op SHOULD/could do....or how being on a computer, obviously not willing to live as they preach, etc, etc. BS. it is NOT all or nothing, people. we can...and NEED....to live in BALANCE.

no where did i see suggested that all wood product use CEASE. merely sharing information...imortant information....for us ALL. YES...we ALL can do our part, cut down use...recycle....etc....but it IS also important on a corporate level as well, b/c bottomline, there is so much waste....period.

thanks for the post.

gue_barium

surferdude wrote:

Not at all. I'm pointing out that if she really cares her actions should follow her words. I'm sure she is a consumer of wood products. That makes her the problem not corporations. I'm so tired of people blaming corporations for supplying the products consumers demand. No one is preventing her from limiting her impact on the environment but herself.

She's posting on the internet, she has chosen to not lessen her impact. Many parts of the computer she uses are petroleum by products. There's a huge problem with the reycling of used computers. Then there's the electricity required to run the computer and the housing required to shelter the computer.

The consumer has the responsibility. She asks "WHY are INDUSTRIES/DEVELOPEMENTS/PROGRESS -(?) allowed to continue to devastatingly DEPLETE our AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING woodlands & forests?" Because consumers like her demand products that require the industries to "devastatingly DEPLETE our AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING woodlands & forests".

Synonyms: airs, aloofness, audacity, bluster, braggadocio, brass*, cheek*, chutzpah*, conceit, conceitedness, contemptuousness, crust*, disdain, disdainfulness, ego, egotism, gall, haughtiness, hauteur, high-handedness, hubris, imperiousness, insolence, loftiness, nerve, ostentation, overbearance, pomposity, pompousness, presumption, pretension, pretentiousness, pride, priggishness, scornfulness, self-importance, self-love, smugness, superciliousness, swagger, vanity
Antonyms: humility, modesty

RolandTD20Kdrummer

surferdude wrote:

I know how it works. If she wants more trees she could plant them where she lives and lead a life that lessens her impact on the environment. All over this enviro religion I see people wanting everyone to change their habits. Every where I look people say the responsibility starts with others. It's bullshit.

Nice link. They want to help developping countries. See, it's all about others bearing the responsibility. It's all about well I live in a developped nation and I'm not changing my lifestyle. But you shmucks in the third world, well we'll just slow your development and shackle it with enviro laws just so I can feel good about my consumption habits.

Dude it's planting trees on this planet... How is that bad?

okey dokey...

kay stewart

Last year a handful of neighbors and I FOUGHT the "POLICY MAKERS" from allowing a limestone rock quarry come into a RESIDENTIAL area that would have been "permitted" to the year 2055, WITHIN 1000 feet to a Public Elementary School!, and over-taking hundreds of TREE bearing acres!! AND WE WON!!!
Unfortunately, only 5 miles away the WORLDS largest cement plant had already been APPROVED and this year alone has BULLDOZED away FOREVER 1700 acres of TREES!!! That's 14,991,416 MORE POUNDS of carbon that HAD been "sequestered" a year ago! Not to mention the carcenogenic/toxic silicon dioxide, diesel emissions, etc., ETC., that WILL be emitted!!
Another 5 miles further -WITHIN 10 MILES!- about 300 TREE bearing acres have been BULLDOZED away FOREVER for a DEVELOPEMENT!! That's ANOTHER 661,392 MORE POUNDS of carbon that HAD been "sequestered" a year ago! TOTAL : an AUTOMATIC additional 1,102,320 pounds OF CARBON TO OUR ATMOSPHERE!!!
Again, 'NOTHING AFFECTS JUST ONE' -PRAYERS - PATIENCE - PEACE

my2hands

surferdude wrote:

If you feel so strongly about it you have the choice of knocking down the building where you live. Plant a grove of trees and live in the trees.

thats silly, and you know it.

weak

Uncle Leo

my2hands wrote:

thats silly, and you know it.

weak

That way anyone who promotes environmentalism is a hypocrite.

Jeanwah

All we can do is fight the policy makers and plant trees ourselves. I'm planting a bunch of them on my property this fall. It looks like it will take individuals who are looking out for the future to take care of this issue, otherwise we have people like Surferdude sitting in front of their computers bitching about everything, instead of helping out.

Welcome Kay!

kay stewart

Jeanwah wrote:

All we can do is fight the policy makers and plant trees ourselves. I'm planting a bunch of them on my property this fall. It looks like it will take individuals who are looking out for the future to take care of this issue, otherwise we have people like Surferdude sitting in front of their computers bitching about everything, instead of helping out.

Welcome Kay!

Way to go!! In 5 years I've planted 27 trees, but only 19 have survived so far. Another -MINIMUM- 25 are being planned for. The SAD thing is most people don't have the full scope of how IRREVOCABLY DEVASTATING the situation ALREADY is!! The reports are HEAVY and DISHEARTENING reading, but -WOW!!!- what an eye opener! A small example : "...there are projected to be major changes in ecosystem structure and function ... with predominantly negative consequences for biodiversity, and ecosystem goods and services e.g., WATER AND FOOD SUPPLY." But, Hey! Let's allow a few more thousand acres of TREES be bulldozed away! Then we'll just blame everything on cigarettes ...BUT, you won't hear the full depth of the reality on the tube-news, from policy makers, presidential candidates ...PRAYERS - PATIENCE - PEACE

surferdude

Uncle Leo wrote:

That way anyone who promotes environmentalism is a hypocrite.

No, that way anyone who blames corporations for their own consumption patterns is a hypocrite.

surferdude

Jeanwah wrote:

All we can do is fight the policy makers and plant trees ourselves. I'm planting a bunch of them on my property this fall. It looks like it will take individuals who are looking out for the future to take care of this issue, otherwise we have people like Surferdude sitting in front of their computers bitching about everything, instead of helping out.

Great, the voice of ignorance piping up. Just what we all need. If you want to get into a pissing match about being environmentally friendly let's have a go. I have a publicly documented project I did that has already saved more trees than you'll plant in a lifetime.

What's wrong with the concept of taking responsibility for your actions? Why do some people need to blame corporations for their own consumption habits? Corporations only provide what we'll buy. Sorry if I made you uncomfortable by letting you know that your computer is an environmental nightmare. But now that you know are you going to do anything about it? Talk is cheap you know.

Kudos on planting trees but the biggest impact individuals can have is through conservation and purchasing choices. In the end most people opt for the easier route of planting a few trees.

Kann

surferdude wrote:

No, that way anyone who blames corporations for their own consumption patterns is a hypocrite.

Come on, it doesn't necessarily have to be on extreme or the other.
You can live in the society and watch what and how you consume. Just because you don't live in the woods and hunt for your food doesn't mean you're not allowed to care for the environment.
And believe me, I tried, it is tough not to buy stuff that comes from a corporation or another. But you can always try and go plant a tree later on that day.

surferdude

Kann wrote:

Come on, it doesn't necessarily have to be on extreme or the other.
You can live in the society and watch what and how you consume. Just because you don't live in the woods and hunt for your food doesn't mean you're not allowed to care for the environment.
And believe me, I tried, it is tough not to buy stuff that comes from a corporation or another. But you can always try and go plant a tree later on that day.

I agree with you that we face tough purchasing decisions but they are our decisions. You'll never see me transferring all responsibility for my actions to others with such crap as "WHY are INDUSTRIES/DEVELOPEMENTS/PROGRESS -(?) allowed to continue to devastatingly DEPLETE our AIR FILTERING, OXYGEN PRODUCING, EARTH COOLING woodlands & forests? Will all THEIR money be worth the LOSS?!!!" The poster was questioning progess, so I offered a solution for her to forego progress. Somehow that idea didn't fly so obviously she and others have no problem with progress. I doubt the poster is living ten to a room so her actions dictate she is all for development. And by mentioning industries she's not taking responsibility for her purchasing and consumption patterns.

I appreciate the sentiment she's trying to get across but placing blame while her's and others actions support those she's blaming is pretty weak.

Vedd Hedd

I think its quite weak to suggest people should knock down their homes so they can plant trees to live in the woods.

I dont think any environmentally minded person is suggesting we get rid of all technology, such as computers, music players, TV's which are made from petroleum produtcs. Nor do I think they are suggesting that we all should stop all corporations from ceasing to exist.

I think the more responsible argument is to suggest and pursuade corporations to be accountable for their actions, and to pursuade corporations to create environmentally friendly materials to make things we see as necessary tools for the 21st century.

I think it would be a great accomplishment if we could create materials for computers, houses, buildings, electronic devices, that arent petroleum or wood derived, or at least, made from wood from sustainable forests. And its nt too much to ask to have corporations clean up their acts so that they do not blatently destroy water sources, air quality, etc.

And people need to live in homes and use cars and computers, so its completely unreasonable to ask people to simply give up those things if they dont want to be hypocrates. Rather, as newer technologies and materials are created, replace the old with the new and move foreward. And as repairs are needed to homes, it would be nice to update with environmentally friendly materials.

In fact, much of this is going on now, we just need to push for it.