That term is thrown around because the majority of objective journalists happen to vote democrat. You can't turn off your common sense.
The question I have is how the media supposedly is tearing Palin down? By asking questions about her qualifications, I guess. By showing footage of her train wreck of an interview.
and yet the majority of owners and editors are conservative...at least according to the publication publisher & editor a few years ago
i can probably name as many conservative tv journlaists as liberal that are currently on
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
You want the truth???? You can't handle the truth!!
No seriously, the truth is I mentioend the liberal biased media (with a winky) cause I knew i'd get a reaction. Of course, I still believe that the media does generally lean left and it shows up often in my opinion, but I think that is a small part of what happened with Palin.
next up...the media show Palin as the victim of this tearing down (that they themsleves did) and build her back up...but don;t worry folks....she'll relapse again and be torn down...where will it stand come early Nov???? Keep watching!
You ahve to admit, she keeps spurning the media, that might be some of the "bias" you are talking about ... I mean, if she's too afraid the stand up and take questions or interviews, and talk to people, she's made her bed, she needs to lie in it.
edit - it's like the troopergate bullshit ... if she was in the right, suck it up and go talk to the investigators ... they voted 14 - 0 in Alaska to persue this investigation ... 3 - 2 in favor of the subpeonas (3 republicans) .... the longer they AVOID talking, the more conjecture and bullshit is said about it, about her ... same with the media, the more you hide, the worse it is.
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... I think that women initially loved the idea of a woman in the white house, but once they saw what she stands for they have come back to there senses.
please don't insult all women by assuming that we jumped on the palin bandwagon! the minute word came of her selection, and it was clear what a lightweight she was, i knew it was a purely political move on mcdumbass' part and an insult to all women. the assumption must have gone something like this: "hmm, she has tits. THEY have tits. SHE has a vagina. THEY have vaginas. golly, she's a SHOE-IN!" :rolleyes: gimme a fucking break.
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I suppose it depends on what you mean by Palin "dragging down" the campaign.
If you mean their numbers aren't as high as they were a week or 10 days ago, well, that's true.
If you are insinuating that McCain would have been better off picking someone else as his running mate, that's asinine.
The only reason McCain now stands a chance in hell of winning this election is because the Republican base is now fervently supporting the ticket. The only reason the Republican base is fervently supporting the ticket is because of Sarah Palin.
If he picks Leiberman or Romney or someone of that ilk, Obama would currently be up double digits and this election would be over.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I suppose it depends on what you mean by Palin "dragging down" the campaign.
If you mean their numbers aren't as high as they were a week or 10 days ago, well, that's true.
If you are insinuating that McCain would have been better off picking someone else as his running mate, that's asinine.
The only reason McCain now stands a chance in hell of winning this election is because the Republican base is now fervently supporting the ticket. The only reason the Republican base is fervently supporting the ticket is because of Sarah Palin.
If he picks Leiberman or Romney or someone of that ilk, Obama would currently be up double digits and this election would be over.
Wow, the tone from the right sure has shifted in a week. Last week it was all about how Obama had blown it and how Palin was the savior. I guess the honeymoon is over.
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and the republicans, like Chuck Hagel? Is he "media biased"?
Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel said his party’s vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, lacks foreign policy experience and called it a “stretch” to say she’s qualified to be president.
“She doesn’t have any foreign policy credentials,” Hagel said in an interview published Thursday by the Omaha World-Herald. “You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don’t know what you can say. You can’t say anything.”
Could Palin lead the country if GOP presidential nominee John McCain could not?
“I think it’s a stretch to, in any way, to say that she’s got the experience to be president of the United States,” Hagel said.
Hagel took issue with that argument. “I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, ‘I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia,”‘ he said. “That kind of thing is insulting to the American people.”
yeah no doubt those comments alone is the biggest red flag of them all, i agree with this post ,she is a mess and she refused to answer specific ?? during that town hall rally what a douche ...
The only reason McCain now stands a chance in hell of winning this election is because the Republican base is now fervently supporting the ticket. The only reason the Republican base is fervently supporting the ticket is because of Sarah Palin.
i guess that says more about the base than the media ...
She was the new brand that got a lot of buzz and had great PR surrounding her launch.
Now, she will still have plenty of staunch defenders, including a lot of people who will defend her because they really have no choice, or because they can't stand the idea of admitting they were wrong.
And it may be too early to get excited about her apparent collapse, but I think it's really just a matter of the buzz dying down, which it always eventually does, and people starting to realize that the product sucks.
If her viability has really reached 14:30 on the proverbial 15-minute clock, it will help restore some of my tattered faith.
If not...well, I don't want to think about it just yet.
please don't insult all women by assuming that we jumped on the palin bandwagon! the minute word came of her selection, and it was clear what a lightweight she was, i knew it was a purely political move on mcdumbass' part and an insult to all women. the assumption must have gone something like this: "hmm, she has tits. THEY have tits. SHE has a vagina. THEY have vaginas. golly, she's a SHOE-IN!" :rolleyes: gimme a fucking break.
Sorry if you thought I was talking about all women, I was not. So please try to calm down a little bit. :rolleyes:
Fact is that there was a huge shift in the percentage of women leaning towards McCain immediately following the announcement and convention. That is a FACT. Now that the general population is learning more about her, more women are again favoring Obama.
I really don't see how you could think what I said was offensive towards women. I stated that once they saw here opinions and personality, they have shifted back to Obama. Chill the fuck out please.
right off the bat you're making a wrong assumption. i don't "hate and despise her", nor do i think most people do. i disagree with everything she stands for, yes. but the main reason i don't think she should be a fart's distance away from being president is that SHE'S NOT QUALIFIED. she's barely qualified to be governor, according to many people in her own state. the fact that many more people- even those in her own party- are coming around to this realization isn't due to some ill-defined "hatred" or "liberal bias"- it's because she's a moron. and, call me nuts, but i think more americans than ever want a president and vice president to be a wee bit more on the ball than themselves. i think america is over the hard-on for having a drinking buddy in the white house. i think we're ready for someone who actually knows a thing or two.
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Sorry if you thought I was talking about all women, I was not. So please try to calm down a little bit. :rolleyes:
Fact is that there was a huge shift in the percentage of women leaning towards McCain immediately following the announcement and convention. That is a FACT. Now that the general population is learning more about her, more women are again favoring Obama.
I really don't see how you could think what I said was offensive towards women. I stated that once they saw here opinions and personality, they have shifted back to Obama. Chill the fuck out please.
cubster, you just did it again. i NEVER considered her a good candidate. i never gave her any kind of "look" just because she is a woman. i actually am capable of judging a candidate based on more than what resides between their legs.
and my reaction wasn't just aimed at you, but at alot of people- mostly MEN- who assume that "women" want a woman in the white house. i don;t care what gender the president is. i care what they stand for and what their plans are for our country.
and my reaction was perfectly reasonable, considering your comments, so don't tell me to "chill the fuck out", or i'll lipstick your car windows.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
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right off the bat you're making a wrong assumption. i don't "hate and despise her", nor do i think most people do. i disagree with everything she stands for, yes. but the main reason i don't think she should be a fart's distance away from being president is that SHE'S NOT QUALIFIED. she's barely qualified to be governor, according to many people in her own state. the fact that many more people- even those in her own party- are coming around to this realization isn't due to some ill-defined "hatred" or "liberal bias"- it's because she's a moron. and, call me nuts, but i think more americans than ever want a president and vice president to be a wee bit more on the ball than themselves. i think america is over the hard-on for having a drinking buddy in the white house. i think we're ready for someone who actually knows a thing or two.
For me, the biggest negative is not her lack of experience (although having zilch as far as foreign policy scares me), but the experience that she does have, and how she has conducted herself.
Between the stories of cronyism, the secrecy, environmental policy and the whole religion thing, she seems identical to the administration that we have now.
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cubster, you just did it again. i NEVER considered her a good candidate. i never gave her any kind of "look" just because she is a woman. i actually am capable of judging a candidate based on more than what resides between their legs.
and my reaction wasn't just aimed at you, but at alot of people- mostly MEN- who assume that "women" want a woman in the white house. i don;t care what gender the president is. i care what they stand for and what their plans are for our country.
and my reaction was perfectly reasonable, considering your comments, so don't tell me to "chill the fuck out", or i'll lipstick your car windows.
Argh!!! I am not saying anything about all women!
I'm know that women vote on issues as much or more than men do. However, there was a rather sizeable shift in the percentage of women for Obama to McCain after Palin was added to the ticket.
Now that more has come out about her, I think that those people who initially liked her have come back to the side that they agree with on the issues, the democrats. Obviously there is a big percentage of women that didn't like Palin from the start (my wife included).
I'm pretty sure we actually agree on this issue. Chalk it up to internet miscommunication.
I'm just referring to the "liberal media" description that gets tossed around. I only hear Republicans refer to media that way.
I know what you mean about the media also bringing down Democrats and celebrities, but I don't hear them say it is due to liberal bias.
There is no such thing as "liberal media". My God, Palin is painted as this sweet but bulldog of a woman that can do no wrong. The media repeats this over and over. Yet, she's been lying left and right. Now tell me where the liberal media is, because we all know that the mainstream media is controlled by the (conservative) corporations AND the Bush administration.
right off the bat you're making a wrong assumption. i don't "hate and despise her", nor do i think most people do. i disagree with everything she stands for, yes. but the main reason i don't think she should be a fart's distance away from being president is that SHE'S NOT QUALIFIED. she's barely qualified to be governor, according to many people in her own state. the fact that many more people- even those in her own party- are coming around to this realization isn't due to some ill-defined "hatred" or "liberal bias"- it's because she's a moron. and, call me nuts, but i think more americans than ever want a president and vice president to be a wee bit more on the ball than themselves. i think america is over the hard-on for having a drinking buddy in the white house. i think we're ready for someone who actually knows a thing or two.
First, she's not a moron. I can completely understand that you disagree with her. I can also understand you saying that she's not as smart as Obama. I don't understand why you think you know for sure that she's a moron. She's been a mayor, a governor and now could be a VP.... she's probably fairly smart.
Second, what "exactly" makes one qualified? I'm pretty sure her resume looks just as good as Obama's. Moreover, she's not running for President. The Democrats keep tripping on their own feet with this argument.
First, she's not a moron. I can completely understand that you disagree with her. I can also understand you saying that she's not as smart as Obama. I don't understand why you think you know for sure that she's a moron. She's been a mayor, a governor and now could be a VP.... she's probably fairly smart.
Second, what "exactly" makes one qualified? I'm pretty sure her resume looks just as good as Obama's. Moreover, she's not running for President. The Democrats keep tripping on their own feet with this argument.
she is definitely smart - she's just not that knowledgeable ... her resume is weak to say the least and her record in politics is loaded with mismanagement and tampering ...
i really don't see how anyone would want her to be second in charge!?? ... it is absolutely unfathomable to me that anyone who isn't high on jesus and thinks abortion is the main issue would consider her a reasonable choice for VP ...
she is definitely smart - she's just not that knowledgeable ... her resume is weak to say the least and her record in politics is loaded with mismanagement and tampering ...
i really don't see how anyone would want her to be second in charge!?? ... it is absolutely unfathomable to me that anyone who isn't high on jesus and thinks abortion is the main issue would consider her a reasonable choice for VP ...
Alaska's economy seems to be doing quite well. Her resume is actually quite strong. What direct "economic" experience does Obama have?
I think elections deal with the following issues:
Economic
Judicial
National Defense
(may have not been the right terms, but you know what I mean).
If you look at all of the above. She has as much experience as Obama, if not more (AND she's not running for Pres). I don't understand why anyone would say Obama is really experienced in any of these areas. I do understand someone saying "I'm Pro-choice" I'm voting Obama. But, I don't see someone saying Obama knows the military or Obama knows the economy. He just doesn't. Does she? No, not really, especially military. But, out of all the candidates, she has the most experience with running an economy. Actually, she's the only one with hands-on-experience. So, if she gets the nod economics and they are tied for judicial (based on one's preference for abortion ect), then what's left is National Defense. Let's say we give that to Obama.... then they are tied.
It's this elitist attitude that continually gets Democrats in trouble. She doesn't have experience? Why? Cause she's from Alaska and not from a blue state. That's the truth.
Although it seems silly to debate this stuff, considering this election does not seem like it's going to be about experience in the least (while the hell else did McCain pick Palin and suddenly going on about he was the real "change" candidate?). But, since you brought up these points, we can go through them one by one.
Economic = I would put these as a tie, considering Obama has had national experience dealing with economic legislation, whereas Palin has had limited experience dealing with an economy of few people, but fair enough: point Palin.
Judicial = before Barack Obama was a senator, he was an attorney, and one of the foremost, if not the foremost, experts on constitutional law in the city of Chicago. These attributes seem like they could be pretty useful in dealing with matters of the judiciary. Point Obama.
National Defense = Gov. Palin has no foreign policy or national defense experience. Obama has sat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee since its' induction and has sat on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee since 2006. He has traveled to the Middle East, Europe, Asia and Africa several times. Again, point Obama.
So, at least 2 out of 3, and I'd say 2 out of 2 and a tie.
It's this elitist attitude that continually gets Democrats in trouble. She doesn't have experience? Why? Cause she's from Alaska and not from a blue state. That's the truth.
Well, I can't speak for any elitist attitudes, and I'm sure they exist. I try to not judge the respective political parties by the worst aspects of their constituents, or else the Republican Party would have a lot more explaining to do. My problem does not have to do with Palin herself; I disagree with her policies, but I'm sure she's a fine person and all that. My problem is with their campaign, and the arrogance and little regard they seem to have for the American people. They "sell" Palin, for lack of a better word, on credentials that are easily verified as false. They sell her as having foreign policy experience because she commands the Alaskan National Guard and the state she governs is the closest American state to Russia, and they expect the American people to accept these as legitimate credentials. When the candidate herself is being "marketed" (again wrong word) in a way that uses mild distortions, fine; I don't like it, but politics is politics. But they've completely rewritten Gov. Palin's background because they need for her to play a role in the campaign (that of the female reformer and Washington outsider), and they expect the American people to swallow it down without even questioning it. I find that pretty insulting, and I think as the weeks go on more Americans will begin to feel that way.
Alaska's economy seems to be doing quite well. Her resume is actually quite strong. What direct "economic" experience does Obama have?
I think elections deal with the following issues:
Economic
Judicial
National Defense
(may have not been the right terms, but you know what I mean).
If you look at all of the above. She has as much experience as Obama, if not more (AND she's not running for Pres). I don't understand why anyone would say Obama is really experienced in any of these areas. I do understand someone saying "I'm Pro-choice" I'm voting Obama. But, I don't see someone saying Obama knows the military or Obama knows the economy. He just doesn't. Does she? No, not really, especially military. But, out of all the candidates, she has the most experience with running an economy. Actually, she's the only one with hands-on-experience. So, if she gets the nod economics and they are tied for judicial (based on one's preference for abortion ect), then what's left is National Defense. Let's say we give that to Obama.... then they are tied.
It's this elitist attitude that continually gets Democrats in trouble. She doesn't have experience? Why? Cause she's from Alaska and not from a blue state. That's the truth.
Obama has proven through debates and interviews that he is very adept on all issues including the economy and foreign policy. That's why he was VOTED into the position he's in.
Palin is a complete moron on world issues, and it's obvious to anyone with half a brain. But keep twisting the truth and making excuses for her, I'm always up for a good laugh.
Obama has proven through debates and interviews that he is very adept on all issues including the economy and foreign policy. That's why he was VOTED into the position he's in.
Palin is a complete moron on world issues, and it's obvious to anyone with half a brain. But keep twisting the truth and making excuses for her, I'm always up for a good laugh.
I agree...Obama has talked a lot...and a lot more than Palin...
Economic = I would put these as a tie, considering Obama has had national experience dealing with economic legislation, whereas Palin has had limited experience dealing with an economy of few people, but fair enough: point Palin.
I do not believe that overseeing the Alaskan budget, one that has been at a huge surplus thanks only to oil prices, can be translated into strong comprehension for the intracacies of the US financal system.
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I do not believe that overseeing the Alaskan budget, one that has been at a huge surplus thanks only to oil prices, can be translated into strong comprehension for thre intracacies of the US financal system.
I do not believe that overseeing the Alaskan budget, one that has been at a huge surplus thanks only to oil prices, can be translated into strong comprehension for the intracacies of the US financal system.
Well, Obama easily wins the other two categories, so I figured a handicap was in order.
I like how "elitist" is now a catch phrase for republicans to describe democrats. Sorry, that doesn't work. Just because you say it doesn't make it so. Rush Limbaugh calling Barack Obama an elitist. What a backwards world we are in right now where at least some of the press soaks this stuff up.
They may as well go for the big prize and keep saying "racist." Or "sexist."
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but being involved in the decisions of that budget for nearly 4 years?
Gimme Obama. Again, this is where aptitude comes in.
I hate getting in the Palin discussion ... but, can you honestly state that her being the governor of Alaska and being tapped as the VP candidate ... that in 60 days she's going to have enough knowledge to manage the economy?
I know, she's the VP candidate ... but, really ... do you honeslty think that a 60 day crash course in the US economy/treasury (along with everything else she's got to take on) makes her more knowledgable than Obama on the economy?
I mean, all of these guys have advisors ... but, who's got the capability to understand their advisors more?
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Of course. Alaska receives more per capita federal funding than any other state in the union. It's easy to look like you know a thing or two about money when you're a trust fund baby of a governor.
but being involved in the decisions of that budget for nearly 4 years?
Gimme Obama. Again, this is where aptitude comes in.
I hate getting in the Palin discussion ... but, can you honestly state that her being the governor of Alaska and being tapped as the VP candidate ... that in 60 days she's going to have enough knowledge to manage the economy?
I know, she's the VP candidate ... but, really ... do you honeslty think that a 60 day crash course in the US economy/treasury (along with everything else she's got to take on) makes her more knowledgable than Obama on the economy?
I mean, all of these guys have advisors ... but, who's got the capability to understand their advisors more?
I don;t want any of them running the economy...they all either lack the understanding or have an opposite view of reality.
I really do think that being a governer of any state is better experience then a senator of any state...it's a whole different ballgame when the buck stops with you instead of you always just getting to push your 1 small agenda in a pile of important issues...but that's just me.
but being involved in the decisions of that budget for nearly 4 years?
Gimme Obama. Again, this is where aptitude comes in.
I hate getting in the Palin discussion ... but, can you honestly state that her being the governor of Alaska and being tapped as the VP candidate ... that in 60 days she's going to have enough knowledge to manage the economy?
I know, she's the VP candidate ... but, really ... do you honeslty think that a 60 day crash course in the US economy/treasury (along with everything else she's got to take on) makes her more knowledgable than Obama on the economy?
I mean, all of these guys have advisors ... but, who's got the capability to understand their advisors more?
You're wasting your breath. People who say Palin has "more experience" than Obama have their tongues firmly in cheek. They do so with a wink. It's just meant to scrutinize Obama's experience, not to make a literal statement that Palin has more experience. I thought they were serious too for a while, but then I realized that whenever my republican friends made this argument, they were sort of laughing out of the side of their faces.
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I agree...Obama has talked a lot...and a lot more than Palin...
Can we talk doing though?
I think it's pretty obvious who's better for the country. Go ahead and vote for Palin/McCain. The blame for the results if they win will be placed on your shoulders, not mine.
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and yet the majority of owners and editors are conservative...at least according to the publication publisher & editor a few years ago
i can probably name as many conservative tv journlaists as liberal that are currently on
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
You ahve to admit, she keeps spurning the media, that might be some of the "bias" you are talking about ... I mean, if she's too afraid the stand up and take questions or interviews, and talk to people, she's made her bed, she needs to lie in it.
edit - it's like the troopergate bullshit ... if she was in the right, suck it up and go talk to the investigators ... they voted 14 - 0 in Alaska to persue this investigation ... 3 - 2 in favor of the subpeonas (3 republicans) .... the longer they AVOID talking, the more conjecture and bullshit is said about it, about her ... same with the media, the more you hide, the worse it is.
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please don't insult all women by assuming that we jumped on the palin bandwagon! the minute word came of her selection, and it was clear what a lightweight she was, i knew it was a purely political move on mcdumbass' part and an insult to all women. the assumption must have gone something like this: "hmm, she has tits. THEY have tits. SHE has a vagina. THEY have vaginas. golly, she's a SHOE-IN!" :rolleyes: gimme a fucking break.
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"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
If you mean their numbers aren't as high as they were a week or 10 days ago, well, that's true.
If you are insinuating that McCain would have been better off picking someone else as his running mate, that's asinine.
The only reason McCain now stands a chance in hell of winning this election is because the Republican base is now fervently supporting the ticket. The only reason the Republican base is fervently supporting the ticket is because of Sarah Palin.
If he picks Leiberman or Romney or someone of that ilk, Obama would currently be up double digits and this election would be over.
for the least they could possibly do
Wow, the tone from the right sure has shifted in a week. Last week it was all about how Obama had blown it and how Palin was the savior. I guess the honeymoon is over.
yeah no doubt those comments alone is the biggest red flag of them all, i agree with this post ,she is a mess and she refused to answer specific ?? during that town hall rally what a douche
i guess that says more about the base than the media ...
Now, she will still have plenty of staunch defenders, including a lot of people who will defend her because they really have no choice, or because they can't stand the idea of admitting they were wrong.
And it may be too early to get excited about her apparent collapse, but I think it's really just a matter of the buzz dying down, which it always eventually does, and people starting to realize that the product sucks.
If her viability has really reached 14:30 on the proverbial 15-minute clock, it will help restore some of my tattered faith.
If not...well, I don't want to think about it just yet.
Sorry if you thought I was talking about all women, I was not. So please try to calm down a little bit. :rolleyes:
Fact is that there was a huge shift in the percentage of women leaning towards McCain immediately following the announcement and convention. That is a FACT. Now that the general population is learning more about her, more women are again favoring Obama.
I really don't see how you could think what I said was offensive towards women. I stated that once they saw here opinions and personality, they have shifted back to Obama. Chill the fuck out please.
right off the bat you're making a wrong assumption. i don't "hate and despise her", nor do i think most people do. i disagree with everything she stands for, yes. but the main reason i don't think she should be a fart's distance away from being president is that SHE'S NOT QUALIFIED. she's barely qualified to be governor, according to many people in her own state. the fact that many more people- even those in her own party- are coming around to this realization isn't due to some ill-defined "hatred" or "liberal bias"- it's because she's a moron. and, call me nuts, but i think more americans than ever want a president and vice president to be a wee bit more on the ball than themselves. i think america is over the hard-on for having a drinking buddy in the white house. i think we're ready for someone who actually knows a thing or two.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
cubster, you just did it again. i NEVER considered her a good candidate. i never gave her any kind of "look" just because she is a woman. i actually am capable of judging a candidate based on more than what resides between their legs.
and my reaction wasn't just aimed at you, but at alot of people- mostly MEN- who assume that "women" want a woman in the white house. i don;t care what gender the president is. i care what they stand for and what their plans are for our country.
and my reaction was perfectly reasonable, considering your comments, so don't tell me to "chill the fuck out", or i'll lipstick your car windows.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
For me, the biggest negative is not her lack of experience (although having zilch as far as foreign policy scares me), but the experience that she does have, and how she has conducted herself.
Between the stories of cronyism, the secrecy, environmental policy and the whole religion thing, she seems identical to the administration that we have now.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Argh!!! I am not saying anything about all women!
I'm know that women vote on issues as much or more than men do. However, there was a rather sizeable shift in the percentage of women for Obama to McCain after Palin was added to the ticket.
Now that more has come out about her, I think that those people who initially liked her have come back to the side that they agree with on the issues, the democrats. Obviously there is a big percentage of women that didn't like Palin from the start (my wife included).
I'm pretty sure we actually agree on this issue. Chalk it up to internet miscommunication.
There is no such thing as "liberal media". My God, Palin is painted as this sweet but bulldog of a woman that can do no wrong. The media repeats this over and over. Yet, she's been lying left and right. Now tell me where the liberal media is, because we all know that the mainstream media is controlled by the (conservative) corporations AND the Bush administration.
First, she's not a moron. I can completely understand that you disagree with her. I can also understand you saying that she's not as smart as Obama. I don't understand why you think you know for sure that she's a moron. She's been a mayor, a governor and now could be a VP.... she's probably fairly smart.
Second, what "exactly" makes one qualified? I'm pretty sure her resume looks just as good as Obama's. Moreover, she's not running for President. The Democrats keep tripping on their own feet with this argument.
she is definitely smart - she's just not that knowledgeable ... her resume is weak to say the least and her record in politics is loaded with mismanagement and tampering ...
i really don't see how anyone would want her to be second in charge!?? ... it is absolutely unfathomable to me that anyone who isn't high on jesus and thinks abortion is the main issue would consider her a reasonable choice for VP ...
Alaska's economy seems to be doing quite well. Her resume is actually quite strong. What direct "economic" experience does Obama have?
I think elections deal with the following issues:
Economic
Judicial
National Defense
(may have not been the right terms, but you know what I mean).
If you look at all of the above. She has as much experience as Obama, if not more (AND she's not running for Pres). I don't understand why anyone would say Obama is really experienced in any of these areas. I do understand someone saying "I'm Pro-choice" I'm voting Obama. But, I don't see someone saying Obama knows the military or Obama knows the economy. He just doesn't. Does she? No, not really, especially military. But, out of all the candidates, she has the most experience with running an economy. Actually, she's the only one with hands-on-experience. So, if she gets the nod economics and they are tied for judicial (based on one's preference for abortion ect), then what's left is National Defense. Let's say we give that to Obama.... then they are tied.
It's this elitist attitude that continually gets Democrats in trouble. She doesn't have experience? Why? Cause she's from Alaska and not from a blue state. That's the truth.
That has FAR MORE to do with the price of a barrel of oil than any of her decisions ...
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Economic = I would put these as a tie, considering Obama has had national experience dealing with economic legislation, whereas Palin has had limited experience dealing with an economy of few people, but fair enough: point Palin.
Judicial = before Barack Obama was a senator, he was an attorney, and one of the foremost, if not the foremost, experts on constitutional law in the city of Chicago. These attributes seem like they could be pretty useful in dealing with matters of the judiciary. Point Obama.
National Defense = Gov. Palin has no foreign policy or national defense experience. Obama has sat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee since its' induction and has sat on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee since 2006. He has traveled to the Middle East, Europe, Asia and Africa several times. Again, point Obama.
So, at least 2 out of 3, and I'd say 2 out of 2 and a tie.
Well, I can't speak for any elitist attitudes, and I'm sure they exist. I try to not judge the respective political parties by the worst aspects of their constituents, or else the Republican Party would have a lot more explaining to do. My problem does not have to do with Palin herself; I disagree with her policies, but I'm sure she's a fine person and all that. My problem is with their campaign, and the arrogance and little regard they seem to have for the American people. They "sell" Palin, for lack of a better word, on credentials that are easily verified as false. They sell her as having foreign policy experience because she commands the Alaskan National Guard and the state she governs is the closest American state to Russia, and they expect the American people to accept these as legitimate credentials. When the candidate herself is being "marketed" (again wrong word) in a way that uses mild distortions, fine; I don't like it, but politics is politics. But they've completely rewritten Gov. Palin's background because they need for her to play a role in the campaign (that of the female reformer and Washington outsider), and they expect the American people to swallow it down without even questioning it. I find that pretty insulting, and I think as the weeks go on more Americans will begin to feel that way.
Obama has proven through debates and interviews that he is very adept on all issues including the economy and foreign policy. That's why he was VOTED into the position he's in.
Palin is a complete moron on world issues, and it's obvious to anyone with half a brain. But keep twisting the truth and making excuses for her, I'm always up for a good laugh.
I agree...Obama has talked a lot...and a lot more than Palin...
Can we talk doing though?
I do not believe that overseeing the Alaskan budget, one that has been at a huge surplus thanks only to oil prices, can be translated into strong comprehension for the intracacies of the US financal system.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
How about overseeing NO BUDGET?
Well, Obama easily wins the other two categories, so I figured a handicap was in order.
They may as well go for the big prize and keep saying "racist." Or "sexist."
but being involved in the decisions of that budget for nearly 4 years?
Gimme Obama. Again, this is where aptitude comes in.
I hate getting in the Palin discussion ... but, can you honestly state that her being the governor of Alaska and being tapped as the VP candidate ... that in 60 days she's going to have enough knowledge to manage the economy?
I know, she's the VP candidate ... but, really ... do you honeslty think that a 60 day crash course in the US economy/treasury (along with everything else she's got to take on) makes her more knowledgable than Obama on the economy?
I mean, all of these guys have advisors ... but, who's got the capability to understand their advisors more?
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I don;t want any of them running the economy...they all either lack the understanding or have an opposite view of reality.
I really do think that being a governer of any state is better experience then a senator of any state...it's a whole different ballgame when the buck stops with you instead of you always just getting to push your 1 small agenda in a pile of important issues...but that's just me.
You're wasting your breath. People who say Palin has "more experience" than Obama have their tongues firmly in cheek. They do so with a wink. It's just meant to scrutinize Obama's experience, not to make a literal statement that Palin has more experience. I thought they were serious too for a while, but then I realized that whenever my republican friends made this argument, they were sort of laughing out of the side of their faces.
I think it's pretty obvious who's better for the country. Go ahead and vote for Palin/McCain. The blame for the results if they win will be placed on your shoulders, not mine.