The First Amendment

Last ExodusLast Exodus Posts: 782
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
How ironic. Just as I was just about to post this the discussion thread is closed.


THE FIRST FUCKING AMENDMENT!!!

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Hippiemom, you are technically right. The 1st amendment curtails the power of government. But the end results are rights held by the People. Now I understand this is a private board, but if you are serious about the free interchange of ideas, why on earth is there the need to close threads that have the opportunity to open up serious and constructive discussion. Wow.
Shocked.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    How ironic. Just as I was just about to post this the discussion thread is closed.


    THE FIRST FUCKING AMENDMENT!!!

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    Hippiemom, you are technically right. The 1st amendment curtails the power of government. But the end results are rights held by the People. Now I understand this is a private board, but if you are serious about the free interchange of ideas, why on earth is there the need to close threads that have the opportunity to open up serious and constructive discussion. Wow.
    Shocked.


    free interchange of ideas (whatever that means) is great...but being a dick about it is not...you admit to "stirring the pot", and somehow you're shocked when the thread is locked...

    oddly, I find that shocking....
  • inmytree wrote:
    free interchange of ideas (whatever that means) is great...but being a dick about it is not...you admit to "stirring the pot", and somehow you're shocked when the thread is locked...

    oddly, I find that shocking....


    see you have the right to call me a dick on this board and you wont be removed. i wont respond. BTW it's richard. i dont go by dick anymore.
  • see you have the right to call me a dick on this board and you wont be removed. i wont respond. BTW it's richard. i dont go by dick anymore.

    I was banned for a whole day for calling someone a dumbass. Guess my affiliation...

    I don't have enough fingers and toes to count all the names I've been called. That's why it's better to just be a smartass around here and limit your thoughtful debate because you're almost certain to recieve none in return. Too bad I've probably bought enough CDs to keep this forum afloat. I take that back... I love my CDs.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    see you have the right to call me a dick on this board and you wont be removed. i wont respond. BTW it's richard. i dont go by dick anymore.

    forgive me, ricky...I see you misread my post...I said "being a dick about it"...which here means: you don't have to act like a pompus, know-it-all, attention seeking child, when attempting to make a point...

    hope that clears things up....

    hugs...?
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    I was banned for a whole day for calling someone a dumbass. Guess my affiliation...

    I don't have enough fingers and toes to count all the names I've been called. That's why it's better to just be a smartass around here and limit your thoughtful debate because you're almost certain to recieve none in return. Too bad I've probably bought enough CDs to keep this forum afloat. I take that back... I love my CDs.

    thanks for coming back...it seems you enjoy it, right...?
  • inmytree wrote:
    forgive me, ricky...I see you misread my post...I said "being a dick about it"...which here means: you don't have to act like a pompus, know-it-all, attention seeking child, when attempting to make a point...

    hope that clears things up....

    hugs...?

    lol You're smug replies are generally appreciated!

    <sniff>

    Do you smell your own farts...?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • inmytree wrote:
    thanks for coming back...it seems you enjoy it, right...?


    lol Actually I donate most of my post to the children. What about you?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    lol You're smug replies are generally appreciated!

    <sniff>

    Do you smell your own farts...?

    doesn't everyone, cartman...?
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    lol Actually I donate most of my post to the children. What about you?

    "donate posts"....? :confused:
  • inmytree wrote:
    doesn't everyone, cartman...?


    You have poo poo in your soul.

    If I were in my tree, I would not be waving to you.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    If I were in my tree, I would not be waving to you.


    do you only have one arm...?
  • inmytree wrote:
    "donate posts"....? :confused:


    You asked me why I came back. I came back for the children...

    Was I supposed to make any sense? Did you not read the first post I made in this thread?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • inmytree wrote:
    do you only have one arm...?


    See, there ya go... Hopefully we can move forward from here...

    By the way, are the Seahawks worth a damn this year?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    See, there ya go... Hopefully we can move forward from here...

    sweet...;)
    By the way, are the Seahawks worth a damn this year?

    nope...I think they've only won a few games...
  • debate and the exchange of ideas can only work towards changing the world when the massive audience of "humanity" becomes intelligent enough to listen as ignorant individuals open to any and all possibilities for growth and improvement.

    sorry, i seem to have become the barer of bad news alot lately,..

    but at least we can all mellow down a bit and try to honestly enjoy all of the childish arguing the 1700's have afforded a-right to....

    :P
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
  • debate and the exchange of ideas can only work towards changing the world when the massive audience of "humanity" becomes intelligent enough to listen as ignorant individuals open to any and all possibilities for growth and improvement.

    sorry, i seem to have become the barer of bad news alot lately,..

    but at least we can all mellow down a bit and try to honestly enjoy all of the childish arguing the 1700's have afforded a-right to....

    :P

    Finally, someone who understands me.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    How ironic. Just as I was just about to post this the discussion thread is closed.


    THE FIRST FUCKING AMENDMENT!!!

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    Hippiemom, you are technically right. The 1st amendment curtails the power of government. But the end results are rights held by the People. Now I understand this is a private board, but if you are serious about the free interchange of ideas, why on earth is there the need to close threads that have the opportunity to open up serious and constructive discussion. Wow.
    Shocked.
    Threads in which everyone behaves like an adult NEVER get locked. I've not once seen it happen. You can search through the history and find vigorous, heated debates that go on for days and aren't locked. This is the band's official site and the content reflects on them. If they don't want to be associated with racism, sexism, childish name-calling and the like, that's their privilege. If you'd like to start a board of your own that reflects only on you and have it be a total free-for-all, I'm sure you'd find plenty of willing participants.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • I was banned for a whole day for calling someone a dumbass. Guess my affiliation...

    I don't have enough fingers and toes to count all the names I've been called. That's why it's better to just be a smartass around here and limit your thoughtful debate because you're almost certain to recieve none in return. Too bad I've probably bought enough CDs to keep this forum afloat. I take that back... I love my CDs.

    It's really too bad, because I really love this band and have been on this board since it's inception and to see it change and become about this radical political crap instead of the music is just too bad. Ya know I went years without even looking at this Moving Train thing and then stumbled in. Wish I wouldn't have. Makes me kinda sad there are the kinds of people the band has attracted now.

    If you are looking for some good intelligent music talk, join the Who's board. It's a welcome relief and totally apolitical....
  • I was banned for a whole day for calling someone a dumbass. Guess my affiliation...

    I don't have enough fingers and toes to count all the names I've been called. That's why it's better to just be a smartass around here and limit your thoughtful debate because you're almost certain to recieve none in return. Too bad I've probably bought enough CDs to keep this forum afloat. I take that back... I love my CDs.


    The funny thing is I am a life long democrat, never voted for a Republican in my life (ok one) and I am the subject of attack. Go figure.
  • inmytree wrote:
    forgive me, ricky...I see you misread my post...I said "being a dick about it"...which here means: you don't have to act like a pompus, know-it-all, attention seeking child, when attempting to make a point...

    hope that clears things up....

    hugs...?

    I don't engage in bable with red-staters
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    hippiemom wrote:
    Threads in which everyone behaves like an adult NEVER get locked. I've not once seen it happen. You can search through the history and find vigorous, heated debates that go on for days and aren't locked. This is the band's official site and the content reflects on them. If they don't want to be associated with racism, sexism, childish name-calling and the like, that's their privilege. If you'd like to start a board of your own that reflects only on you and have it be a total free-for-all, I'm sure you'd find plenty of willing participants.

    you could just do what I do and skip posts with the name calling and whatever else. It's not like we are forced to read them or get involved. well it can be hard to avoid them right when they start posting in a thread that has a good flow going.

    Anyway I just think it's a waste of time to get so worried about the way others choose to behave. Let people be insercure or whatever else they are,I dunno, just be cool and things work out quite well. hmmm then again things don't always work out well but I guess that's just life. Always something else.

    Post on exodus.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    you know just because you have the right to say it that doesn't mean it's right to say it.
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  • hippiemom wrote:
    Threads in which everyone behaves like an adult NEVER get locked. I've not once seen it happen. You can search through the history and find vigorous, heated debates that go on for days and aren't locked. This is the band's official site and the content reflects on them. If they don't want to be associated with racism, sexism, childish name-calling and the like, that's their privilege. If you'd like to start a board of your own that reflects only on you and have it be a total free-for-all, I'm sure you'd find plenty of willing participants.

    If I had the time to do it, id actually show you just how wrong you are. Ive seen many threads locked because the people who run this board disagree with the content. Almost every thread I have seen on here at some level has some degree of childishness and name calling and profanity. Its epidemic on this board. If you need me to give you examples I will. But youre way off.

    Further, isn't it presumptive of you to think that just because you are on this board that the band agrees with your brand of political rhetoric whatever that may be? A little self important aren't we? All we know about the band's politics is that one member of the band has a thing for George Bush. Hell McCready is a fucking Republican. So don't preach to me about the band's politics. You don't have the first clue about that. What we do know about are the moderators politics which is far different from the five members of Pearl Jam who I am sure do not all agree on politics and I would bet some of them would just assume the band focus on making music and leaving the politics the fuck out of it.
  • By way of example, that thread I started was meant to illustrate a point about this board.....I think it served it's purpose.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    If I had the time to do it, id actually show you just how wrong you are. Ive seen many threads locked because the people who run this board disagree with the content. Almost every thread I have seen on here at some level has some degree of childishness and name calling and profanity. Its epidemic on this board. If you need me to give you examples I will. But youre way off.

    Further, isn't it presumptive of you to think that just because you are on this board that the band agrees with your brand of political rhetoric whatever that may be? A little self important aren't we? All we know about the band's politics is that one member of the band has a thing for George Bush. Hell McCready is a fucking Republican. So don't preach to me about the band's politics. You don't have the first clue about that. What we do know about are the moderators politics which is far different from the five members of Pearl Jam who I am sure do not all agree on politics and I would bet some of them would just assume the band focus on making music and leaving the politics the fuck out of it.
    I don't think it has anything to do with political rhetoric. There are conservatives here who have never been banned, and liberals who have been banned multiple times.

    Personally, I don't concern myself much with how others behave because that's Kat's job, not mine, and she's doing just fine.

    McCready's a republican, huh? I suppose he was just one of the millions of republicans that donated to Howard Dean's campaign ... I know how the republicans love Howard!
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • hippiemom wrote:
    I don't think it has anything to do with political rhetoric. There are conservatives here who have never been banned, and liberals who have been banned multiple times.

    Personally, I don't concern myself much with how others behave because that's Kat's job, not mine, and she's doing just fine.

    McCready's a republican, huh? I suppose he was just one of the millions of republicans that donated to Howard Dean's campaign ... I know how the republicans love Howard!


    He WAS a republican....That wasn't the point. You were waxing on about your direct knowledge of the band's politics and the reality is that you don't know. And besides. Who cares? This band has somehow become a lightening rod for the disgruntled and disaffected which I find sad. It used to be fun round here.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    He WAS a republican....That wasn't the point. You were waxing on about your direct knowledge of the band's politics and the reality is that you don't know. And besides. Who cares? This band has somehow become a lightening rod for the disgruntled and disaffected which I find sad. It used to be fun round here.
    I didn't say a damn thing about the band's politics. I said that when threads turn hateful (racism, name-calling, etc.), that's when they get locked. That's not politics, that's wanting a civilized exchange of ideas.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • moeaholicmoeaholic Posts: 535
    hippiemom wrote:
    I didn't say a damn thing about the band's politics. I said that when threads turn hateful (racism, name-calling, etc.), that's when they get locked. That's not politics, that's wanting a civilized exchange of ideas.

    civilized exchanges of ideas are few and very far between in this forum.
    "PC Load Letter?! What the fuck does that mean?"
    ~Michael Bolton
  • hippiemom wrote:
    I didn't say a damn thing about the band's politics. I said that when threads turn hateful (racism, name-calling, etc.), that's when they get locked. That's not politics, that's wanting a civilized exchange of ideas.

    would you, PLEASE, shut the fuck up?

    sorry, i couldn't resist that. i think that people are becoming very testy and feisty and edgy because they are being locked up inside because of the cold.
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    would you, PLEASE, shut the fuck up?

    sorry, i couldn't resist that. i think that people are becoming very testy and feisty and edgy because they are being locked up inside because of the cold.
    Oh, fuck off, trappedinmyradio!!!! :D

    I am testy and edgy because I'm dying to know what Pearl Jam has in store for us this year. My membership is up to date, gimme some news already!
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
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