Ron Paul / Dennis Kucinich

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Are you saying Ron Paul is a con artist for the republican party concocted to steal votes on pure lies?

That's beyond conspiracy, I'm not sure what that ideology is called.

He knows absoluetly nothing about Ron Paul. He is basing his whole position on the fact that Paul is a Republican. Much like the fools who vote for a candidate based solely on party affiliation, he is disqualifing one of the only honest candidates in this race because of party affiliation. Either way you slice it it's pretty fucking ignorant.

macgyver06

have you guys asked him why he is running as a republican?

farfromglorified

Rats of Multa wrote:

wait,.. may i inquire about your age..? (just curious where/how you see yourself in relation to 'the young' of which youre referring..)

Hehe...I'm in my late 20s which would definitely qualify me as part of "the young", though I think I would be excluded from "the politically young".

macgyver06

mammasan wrote:

He knows absoluetly nothing about Ron Paul. He is basing his whole position on the fact that Paul is a Republican. Much like the fools who vote for a candidate based solely on party affiliation, he is disqualifing one of the only honest candidates in this race because of party affiliation. Either way you slice it it's pretty fucking ignorant.

that first sentence is completely crazy seeing how im related to him

mammasan

macgyver06 wrote:

have you guys asked him why he is running as a republican?

He has stated why several times in interviews. Also in case you didn't know he ran once for president as a Libertarian and he stated that the troubles he had during that run, getting on ballots, not being invited to national debates, is the reason why he decided to run as a Republican.

mammasan

macgyver06 wrote:

that first sentence is completely crazy seeing how im related to him

That makes you look even worse. The fact that you are related to him and you still have no fucking clue about what the man represents is just sad.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

macgyver06 wrote:

have you guys asked him why he is running as a republican?

He has no choice in the matter really . The guy is libertarian, but cannot start a third party without some seriously huge cash. It's just not a three party system. It's also very risky, as it's like reinventing the wheel from scratch. He has neither the time, or resources, to run for office, and create a new party simultaneously. He gets asked this question at essentially every interview, and has had to explain it hundreds of times. If he had a choice he would run in a separate third party.

macgyver06

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

He has no choice in the matter really . The guy is libertarian, but cannot start a third party without some seriously huge cash. It's just not a three party system. It's also very risky, as it's like reinventing the wheel from scratch. He has neither the time, or resources, to run for office, and create a new party simultaneously. He gets asked this question at essentially every interview, and has had to explain it hundreds of times. If he had a choice he would run in a separate third party.

will he make abortion illegal?

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

He has no choice in the matter really . The guy is libertarian, but cannot start a third party without some seriously huge cash. It's just not a three party system. It's also very risky, as it's like reinventing the wheel from scratch. He has neither the time, or resources, to run for office, and create a new party simultaneously. He gets asked this question at essentially every interview, and has had to explain it hundreds of times. If he had a choice he would run in a separate third party.

If the NJ Libertarian party is any indication of the National Libertarian Party then they are a mess. Here is a 3rd Party with some margin of support that can't even get it's shit together long enough to nominate a candidate. I attended a few meetings here in NJ and proposed supporting Paul. I might as well have been talking to a wall because people could even agree to put this forth as an option.

mammasan

macgyver06 wrote:

will he make abortion illegal?

No. He will try to reverse Roe v Wade because he feels that it is an issue best left to the states.

floyd1975

macgyver06 wrote:

will he make abortion illegal?

No.

macgyver06

mammasan wrote:

No. He will try to reverse Roe v Wade because he feels that it is an issue best left to the states.

you agree with this? that the states should decide?

mammasan

macgyver06 wrote:

you agree with this? that the states should decide?

Yes I do. This issue should be put on a state ballot and voted on by the people.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

If the NJ Libertarian party is any indication of the National Libertarian Party then they are a mess. Here is a 3rd Party with some margin of support that can't even get it's shit together long enough to nominate a candidate. I attended a few meetings here in NJ and proposed supporting Paul. I might as well have been talking to a wall because people could even agree to put this forth as an option.

Omg. That's brutal. I think there would opposition at every stage in trying to get a new party recognized. Probably for the exact same reason's Ron Paul is running himself. A new party is too "revolutionary", and would be punched in the nuts repeatedly given the opportunity. How RP is doing it is the way way it almost needs to be done. i.e. from the inside looking out. He's an inside operative so to speak. If you can't outright change the system, then work with what you got to change it so to speak.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

macgyver06 wrote:

will he make abortion illegal?

He is against abortion as he's delivered over 4000 babies, and he's a gynecologist by profession. When you deliver that many lives something changes deep inside you.

However he's leaving it up to the individual states to decide. That's really the only solution that will ever satisfy everyone. It's brilliant really.

I say with complete confidence this guy a seriously historical figure. One of the best ever presidents the US will see.

Once in a lifetime candidate.

farfromglorified

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

He is against abortion as he's delivered over 4000 babies, and he's a gynecologist by profession. When you deliver that many lives something changes deep inside you.

However he's leaving it up to the individual states to decide. That's really the only solution that will ever satisfy everyone. It's brilliant really.

I say with complete confidence this guy a seriously historical figure. One of the best ever presidents the US will see.

Once in a lifetime candidate.

Man, you have a real crush on Ron Paul. It's cute, really.

I think Ron Paul is great too. But let's not obfuscate the facts, since Ron Paul's record on abortion is not entirely as you present it. Ron Paul sponsored legislation at the federal level that would have defined life beginning at conception and, in effect, would have banned abortion on the federal level.

Rats of Multa

farfromglorified wrote:

Hehe...I'm in my late 20s which would definitely qualify me as part of "the young", though I think I would be excluded from "the politically young".

ok cool. i feel like i may have asked you this question before, but your observations are maturely astute so i wasnt sure if maybe you are older and intelligently sympathizing with today's youthful progressives or if perhaps you are indeed one of the many intelligent individuals amongst today's youthful progressives.

cheers!