Ron Paul / Dennis Kucinich

dontloseyourheatdontloseyourheat Posts: 483
edited December 2007 in A Moving Train
These two presidential candidates from different parties are compared frequently: both are against needless wars in Iran and Iraq and refuse to fund them, both voted against the PATRIOT Act and continue to oppose it, both are unusual “underdog” candidates with large followings, and both claim they will bring a revolution to America’s government by returning to the values of the Constitution.

http://bluenc.com/the-difference-between-ron-paul-and-dennis-kucinich

Article goes on to point out how many voters are supporting Ron Paul for the wrong reasons. Obviously biased article but it makes some good points.
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  • It's really funny to see the disappointment on the left that the "cool" candidate this year is running in the Republican primary. The author here doesn't seem to recognize that the young vote in this country is partly swinging away from the dominant Liberal establishment while also rejecting the neo-conservative trends we've seen in the last 20 years. Young voters are starting to pay attention to economics for the first time in 40 years and people are refusing to recognize this and instead throwing up their hands and wondering why the young are no longer easily swayed by bribes and appeals to their emotions.

    Now, I do agree to an extent that some Ron Paul supporters would definitely be better served by Kucinich. However, I think a lot of people are missing the fact that Ron Paul is more than an anti-war, anti-patriot act candidate. There's more to the man and, more importantly, more to the philosophy that he's pushing. The left needs to wake up and ask itself why young people in this country are beginning to turn their backs on Keynesian economics instead of pretending that the young are simply stupid or misguided.
  • [...]why [are] young people in this country are beginning to turn their backs on Keynesian economics[?]

    Uh.
    Because Keynesian economics has turned its back on us!

    :(

    [and its really more White-iean economics ... Keyenes wanted the pound to be the defacto world currency, White wanted the dollar. :D ]
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • Wow...you really did a number there attempting to attribute a statement to me. At least take my name of the quote when you have to mangle it that much.
    Uh.
    Because Keynesian economics has turned its back on us!

    :(

    Sure - Keynesian economics has some serious flaws. However, best keep in mind that Keynes pretty much saved the West in the early part of this century by slowing the march of socialism through Europe and America. Furthermore, you'd be wise to recognize the immense growth of the American economy during the time that Keynesian mindsets reigned. Deny reality at your own risk.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    You Guys Have To Be The Most Gullible F**kers On This Board
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    You Guys Have To Be The Most Gullible F**kers On This Board

    We know already. You have told us to the point of it being naustiating.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    We know already. You have told us to the point of it being naustiating.


    the original constitution :)

    all troops out of iraq..


    hahahahahahaaaha

    im just glad the election is next novemeber...ive got this weird feeling alot will change by then :) and all these threads will be in the archives..and im gonna bring them back to life for you dumbasses
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    the original constitution :)

    all troops out of iraq..


    hahahahahahaaaha

    im just glad the election is next novemeber...ive got this weird feeling alot will change by then :) and all these threads will be in the archives..and im gonna bring them back to life for you dumbasses

    Of course you will because you are so much brighter and aware than we are. Your insight is unrivaled by any here. I mean just look at the high level of intellectual discourse you posts emit. The way you label any who disagree with you dumbasses. The way you claim to know better than anyone else but yet proved no facts to support your claims. You are a scholar amongst us children. We should all humbled by your mere presense on this board.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    Of course you will because you are so much brighter and aware than we are. Your insight is unrivaled by any here. I mean just look at the high level of intellectual discourse you posts emit. The way you label any who disagree with you dumbasses. The way you claim to know better than anyone else but yet proved no facts to support your claims. You are a scholar amongst us children. We should all humbled by your mere presense on this board.

    you said it
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    you said it

    Sarcasm – the sneering, sly, jesting, or mocking of a person, situation or thing. It is strongly associated with irony, with some definitions classifying it as a type of verbal irony intended to insult or wound — stating the opposite of the intended meaning, e.g. using "that's fantastic" to mean "that's awful".
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • It's really funny to see the disappointment on the left that the "cool" candidate this year is running in the Republican primary. The author here doesn't seem to recognize that the young vote in this country is partly swinging away from the dominant Liberal establishment while also rejecting the neo-conservative trends we've seen in the last 20 years. Young voters are starting to pay attention to economics for the first time in 40 years and people are refusing to recognize this and instead throwing up their hands and wondering why the young are no longer easily swayed by bribes and appeals to their emotions.

    Now, I do agree to an extent that some Ron Paul supporters would definitely be better served by Kucinich. However, I think a lot of people are missing the fact that Ron Paul is more than an anti-war, anti-patriot act candidate. There's more to the man and, more importantly, more to the philosophy that he's pushing. The left needs to wake up and ask itself why young people in this country are beginning to turn their backs on Keynesian economics instead of pretending that the young are simply stupid or misguided.

    wait,.. may i inquire about your age..? (just curious where/how you see yourself in relation to 'the young' of which youre referring..)
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    Sarcasm – the sneering, sly, jesting, or mocking of a person, situation or thing. It is strongly associated with irony, with some definitions classifying it as a type of verbal irony intended to insult or wound — stating the opposite of the intended meaning, e.g. using "that's fantastic" to mean "that's awful".


    ahh like this


    mammasan doesnt feel inferior intellectually to macgyver06

    is this an example?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    Of course you will because you are so much brighter and aware than we are. Your insight is unrivaled by any here. I mean just look at the high level of intellectual discourse you posts emit. The way you label any who disagree with you dumbasses. The way you claim to know better than anyone else but yet proved no facts to support your claims. You are a scholar amongst us children. We should all humbled by your mere presense on this board.


    i almost forgot this one...you talking abo ut facts... hahah your ready to endorse a candidate with no numbers of any kind... facts..lets post his voting record??? huh.... lets post some number on TEXAS health... lets post some words talking about oil from ron paul... where are these facts

    lol
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    ahh like this


    mammasan doesnt feel inferior intellectually to macgyver06

    is this an example?

    I do not consider myself a genius or think that I know everything, because I certainly do not, but I am definitely positive that you are intellectually inferior to me.

    I do have to admit that your posts do bring me great joy. On these slow boring days at work, with everything slowing down for the holidays, your utter nonsense just makes me laugh. I would have never thought in a thousand years that one individual could be so ignorant and utterly brain dead, but yet think so highly of himself. It is so sad that it actually becomes funny. Even some of my coworkers come to see your posts because of the shear stupidity they amount to. It's like watching a train wreck.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    I do not consider myself a genius or think that I know everything, because I certainly do not, but I am definitely positive that you are intellectually inferior to me.

    I do have to admit that your posts do bring me great joy. On these slow boring days at work, with everything slowing down for the holidays, your utter nonsense just makes me laugh. I would have never thought in a thousand years that one individual could be so ignorant and utterly brain dead, but yet think so highly of himself. It is so sad that it actually becomes funny. Even some of my coworkers come to see your posts because of the shear stupidity they amount to. It's like watching a train wreck.


    do they walk away after they laugh?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    i almost forgot this one...you talking abo ut facts... hahah your ready to endorse a candidate with no numbers of any kind... facts..lets post his voting record??? huh.... lets post some number on TEXAS health... lets post some words talking about oil from ron paul... where are these facts

    lol

    http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=BC031929

    I don't care about his poll numbers. This is not a popularity contest. I vote for the candidate who closest represents my ideals. Ron Paul is that candidate. Above is his voting record, which is far more consistant that any other candidate except for Kucinich. You don't have to like him or even vote for him, but you know nothing about him and your attacks on him and his supporters are baseless and only emphasize how massively foolish you are.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    do they walk away after they laugh?

    No they usually stick around to see the next pile of shit you will post.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • I used to think vote democrat, but asking for more government at a moment in time like we have now is a huge mistake.

    I'm really shocked at the people on the left side (especially) not looking into Ron Paul at greater depth, but rather straining to find good points in Obama or Hillary or Edwards even. Kinda fcuked up indeed. Left or die will ensure a quick death if the message isn't right. More government is curse right now. THAT is a disaster for sure. Left....right....at present, it's all an illusion.

    I'll say it a million times with complete confidence that Ron Paul is the best thing going.

    There's nothing better available for order on the menu. There just isn't....it's not there.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=BC031929

    I don't care about his poll numbers. This is not a popularity contest. I vote for the candidate who closest represents my ideals. Ron Paul is that candidate. Above is his voting record, which is far more consistant that any other candidate except for Kucinich. You don't have to like him or even vote for him, but you know nothing about him and your attacks on him and his supporters are baseless and only emphasize how massively foolish you are.


    my point is you are being fooled by the republican party. who do you think ron paul is going to endorse for president?? who do you think republicans than in turn expect you to endorse with a single vote.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    my point is you are being fooled by the republican party. who do you think ron paul is going to endorse for president?? who do you think republicans than in turn expect you to endorse with a single vote.

    The Republican Party does not endorse Ron Paul. The Republican party probably hates Ron Paul because he is pretty much against everything they stand for. If Ron Paul is not nominated I really don't care who he endorses for president. I'm not going to vote for that person simply because Ron Paul told me to. If you actually knew anything about Ron Paul, which you don't, you would know that he is running as a Republican because it is extremely difficult for a 3rd party candidate to get on the ballot of all 50 states. It takes a tremendous amount of money and time to accomplish this. That is resource that could be put to better use now, like campaigning. So by running as a Republican he does not have to divert resources and finances to accomplish thisw and he is invited to the primary debates where he can get his message out to a national audience. If he ran as a 3rd party candidate this would have been impossible.

    It's pretty funny that you would mock people for voting based on party affiliation, but here you are doing pretty much the samething. You are completely knocking an honest candidate simply because of the party he belongs to.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06 wrote:
    my point is you are being fooled by the republican party. who do you think ron paul is going to endorse for president?? who do you think republicans than in turn expect you to endorse with a single vote.


    Are you saying Ron Paul is a con artist for the republican party concocted to steal votes on pure lies?

    That's beyond conspiracy, I'm not sure what that ideology is called.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Are you saying Ron Paul is a con artist for the republican party concocted to steal votes on pure lies?

    That's beyond conspiracy, I'm not sure what that ideology is called.

    He knows absoluetly nothing about Ron Paul. He is basing his whole position on the fact that Paul is a Republican. Much like the fools who vote for a candidate based solely on party affiliation, he is disqualifing one of the only honest candidates in this race because of party affiliation. Either way you slice it it's pretty fucking ignorant.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    have you guys asked him why he is running as a republican?
  • wait,.. may i inquire about your age..? (just curious where/how you see yourself in relation to 'the young' of which youre referring..)

    Hehe...I'm in my late 20s which would definitely qualify me as part of "the young", though I think I would be excluded from "the politically young". ;)
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    He knows absoluetly nothing about Ron Paul. He is basing his whole position on the fact that Paul is a Republican. Much like the fools who vote for a candidate based solely on party affiliation, he is disqualifing one of the only honest candidates in this race because of party affiliation. Either way you slice it it's pretty fucking ignorant.

    that first sentence is completely crazy seeing how im related to him
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    have you guys asked him why he is running as a republican?

    He has stated why several times in interviews. Also in case you didn't know he ran once for president as a Libertarian and he stated that the troubles he had during that run, getting on ballots, not being invited to national debates, is the reason why he decided to run as a Republican.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    that first sentence is completely crazy seeing how im related to him

    That makes you look even worse. The fact that you are related to him and you still have no fucking clue about what the man represents is just sad.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06 wrote:
    have you guys asked him why he is running as a republican?


    He has no choice in the matter really . The guy is libertarian, but cannot start a third party without some seriously huge cash. It's just not a three party system. It's also very risky, as it's like reinventing the wheel from scratch. He has neither the time, or resources, to run for office, and create a new party simultaneously. He gets asked this question at essentially every interview, and has had to explain it hundreds of times. If he had a choice he would run in a separate third party.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    He has no choice in the matter really . The guy is libertarian, but cannot start a third party without some seriously huge cash. It's just not a three party system. It's also very risky, as it's like reinventing the wheel from scratch. He has neither the time, or resources, to run for office, and create a new party simultaneously. He gets asked this question at essentially every interview, and has had to explain it hundreds of times. If he had a choice he would run in a separate third party.


    will he make abortion illegal?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    He has no choice in the matter really . The guy is libertarian, but cannot start a third party without some seriously huge cash. It's just not a three party system. It's also very risky, as it's like reinventing the wheel from scratch. He has neither the time, or resources, to run for office, and create a new party simultaneously. He gets asked this question at essentially every interview, and has had to explain it hundreds of times. If he had a choice he would run in a separate third party.

    If the NJ Libertarian party is any indication of the National Libertarian Party then they are a mess. Here is a 3rd Party with some margin of support that can't even get it's shit together long enough to nominate a candidate. I attended a few meetings here in NJ and proposed supporting Paul. I might as well have been talking to a wall because people could even agree to put this forth as an option.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    will he make abortion illegal?

    No. He will try to reverse Roe v Wade because he feels that it is an issue best left to the states.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
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