What's so "special" about Barrack Obama?

Uncle Leo

audome25 wrote:

some day he will tell us what he stands for? very likeable, no substance yet.

Yep. What "qualifies" him is that he is even more likable than most likeable candidates. He's also very articulate and intelligent. I know a lot of republicans that like him.

But if he runs for Presdient, he's going to have to put out his postions on abortion and other things that will diminish the universal love for him.

audome25

Uncle Leo wrote:

Yep. What "qualifies" him is that he is even more likable than most likeable candidates. He's also very articulate and intelligent. I know a lot of republicans that like him.

But if he runs for Presdient, he's going to have to put out his postions on abortion and other things that will diminish the universal love for him.

my only memory of obama ever saying anything that sounded like opinion before i moved from illinios had something to do with reparations long before he was in the spotlight. i do not remember the comment though.

Hope&Anger

Uncle Leo wrote:

But if he runs for Presdient, he's going to have to put out his postions on abortion and other things that will diminish the universal love for him.

He *has* taken positions -- lots of them. Even some that aren't so popular in downstate Illinois.

He is pro-choice, which has led Christian social conservatives to urge Rick Warren to disinvite him from speaking at one of those mega-churches.

He supports energy independence -- he is, after all, a Senator from Ethanol.

He was anti-war back before it was fashionable. He was the only Democrat in the primary who was explicitly against the war, who said it was a mistake in 2004. I'm pretty sure that's what got him the primary. (He won the election because Keyes was a carpet-bagging nutjob, completely out of step with the Republicans in Illinois.)

He supports programs to alleviate poverty, although he isn't the kind of guy who's going to throw money at problems. He'd prefer to put people to work, improve public education, that sort of thing. To pay for it, he will probably do away with the tax cuts that benefitted the people in the top 1% of income earners.

And he's entirely too comfortable mixing religion and politics for my taste. But it's what sells these days . . .

And he had a distinguished career as a lawyer and a community activist before he went into politics -- unlike some spoiled mama's boys who made a career out of losing the money of his daddy's friends before driving sound baseball teams into the ground. And Obama had a reputation as a state legislator as someone who could reach across the aisle to Republicans and broker deals. I know that the fine art of compromise is unpopular to all the chest-thumping he-men who prefer their politicians to stick to "principle," but he got stuff done, because as someone has already noted, Republicans like him.

So what else do you need to know?

Arainea

The fact that he is an evangelical Christian and pro-choice is interesting. I wonder how evangelicals will vote. Bush's approval rating is low, and McCain is pro-choice, too.

Uncle Leo

Hope&Anger wrote:

He *has* taken positions -- lots of them. Even some that aren't so popular in downstate Illinois.

He is pro-choice, which has led Christian social conservatives to urge Rick Warren to disinvite him from speaking at one of those mega-churches.

He supports energy independence -- he is, after all, a Senator from Ethanol.

He was anti-war back before it was fashionable. He was the only Democrat in the primary who was explicitly against the war, who said it was a mistake in 2004. I'm pretty sure that's what got him the primary. (He won the election because Keyes was a carpet-bagging nutjob, completely out of step with the Republicans in Illinois.)

He supports programs to alleviate poverty, although he isn't the kind of guy who's going to throw money at problems. He'd prefer to put people to work, improve public education, that sort of thing. To pay for it, he will probably do away with the tax cuts that benefitted the people in the top 1% of income earners.

And he's entirely too comfortable mixing religion and politics for my taste. But it's what sells these days . . .

And he had a distinguished career as a lawyer and a community activist before he went into politics -- unlike some spoiled mama's boys who made a career out of losing the money of his daddy's friends before driving sound baseball teams into the ground. And Obama had a reputation as a state legislator as someone who could reach across the aisle to Republicans and broker deals. I know that the fine art of compromise is unpopular to all the chest-thumping he-men who prefer their politicians to stick to "principle," but he got stuff done, because as someone has already noted, Republicans like him.

So what else do you need to know?

OK, but a lot of people don't really know his positions. Once they do, some of them will jump off the bandwagon. It's inevitable.

Uncle Teddy

Barrack is an empty suit. He may be a smooth talker, and may be more articulate than, say, the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson clowns, but there is nothing there. He is a light weight.

Uncle Teddy

Arainea wrote:

The fact that he is an evangelical Christian and pro-choice is interesting. I wonder how evangelicals will vote. Bush's approval rating is low, and McCain is pro-choice, too.

But Bush ISN'T running for a third term! Can't some of you liberals fucking understand that? And no conservative Evangelical Christian is going to vote for a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT like Barrack Obama, let alone that flake McCain. They rather vote for Romney, and he is a Mormon! Mitt Romney over McCain ANYDAY!

People are jumping on the Barrack bandwagon to soon.

Furthermore, Obama is stealing Hillary's thunder. Whatever you do, you don't want to get in the way of a Clinton.

Uncle Teddy

Smellyman wrote:

America lost

Spoken like a liberal!

Smellyman2

Uncle Teddy wrote:

Spoken like a liberal!

yup or...


anybody w/o their head up their ass.

darkcrow

Smellyman wrote:

America lost

the world lost... oh although i am not american i have seen barrack speak on tv at the national convention and during the midterms. he is very charasmatic, inspiring and seems like a strong leader. if americans as a majority would vote for a black guy... that is a different issue. i started a thread about this and a few people did say that they thought a lot of americans were not ready for that...

John Budge

Uncle Teddy wrote:

But Bush ISN'T running for a third term! Can't some of you liberals fucking understand that? And no conservative Evangelical Christian is going to vote for a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT like Barrack Obama, let alone that flake McCain. They rather vote for Romney, and he is a Mormon! Mitt Romney over McCain ANYDAY!

People are jumping on the Barrack bandwagon to soon.

Furthermore, Obama is stealing Hillary's thunder. Whatever you do, you don't want to get in the way of a Clinton.

My guess is that you're either a racist or you're concerned about Obama's burgeoning popularity.

SweetHarmonics

Man, Uncle Teddy really has his finger on the pulse of the nation. The PAC's will be fighting for this guy's services in no time.

RavennaSeattle1911

Uncle Teddy wrote:

His skin color?
The fact that he is one of the few blacks in the DNC that doesn't talk nonsense like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson?
???

He's been in the Senate for two (2) years. What makes him "qualified" to lead this nation as a president?

nothing,except he speaks good english

Arainea

Uncle Teddy wrote:

But Bush ISN'T running for a third term! Can't some of you liberals fucking understand that? And no conservative Evangelical Christian is going to vote for a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT like Barrack Obama, let alone that flake McCain. They rather vote for Romney, and he is a Mormon! Mitt Romney over McCain ANYDAY!

People are jumping on the Barrack bandwagon to soon.

Furthermore, Obama is stealing Hillary's thunder. Whatever you do, you don't want to get in the way of a Clinton.

Well, I didn't say that Bush WAS running for a third term. My point was that since Bush's popularity is low, perhaps some people who voted for him in the last election may be looking for a new direction. Second, I said "evangelicals" not "conservative evangelicals". The word evangelical is not synonymous with the word conservative. Check your thesaurasus if you don't believe me.

Third, since I did not take a position or declare my politcal allegiance, do not call me a liberal.

Finally, please try to be respectful to other posters in your communications. If you can't do that, go away. Thank you.

Milhouse VanHouten

maybe people who are asking "what are his qualifications?" and calling him "any empty suit" should stop trying to pick fights on a bbs and actually do a little reasearch on what his positions are and what legislation he sponsored/supported in the illinois state senate and the us senate. it's not that hard, just use the internet, and don't come back to me with what sean hannity or george will or rush limbaugh said. that would only make you look like a moronic asshole.

of course, if all you want to do is provoke and antagonize people while regurgitating the standard right wing bullshit, then go right ahead.

he's supported:

expansion of pell grants

the mccain-kennedy immigration reform bill

nuclear non-proliferation legislation

federal budget transparency, which would supply a public breakdown of all federal spending

earned income tax credit program in the illinois senate

etc.

as far as the "he's the only black leader who doesn't sound like al sharpton" comment, disregard the above, you already sound like a moronic asshole.

Hope&Anger

Uncle Teddy wrote:

And no conservative Evangelical Christian is going to vote for a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT like Barrack Obama, let alone that flake McCain. They rather vote for Romney, and he is a Mormon! Mitt Romney over McCain ANYDAY!

Lots of evangelical Christians voted for him in Illinois, where he got elected overwhelmingly. And he was running against an evangelical Christian.

I've got a half dozen neighbors who go to a fundamentalist church who adored him. But they're fundamentalist Christians who care about poverty and global warming and stuff like that.

But please, don't let facts get in the way of your funny rants.

Uncle Leo

Uncle Teddy wrote:

But Bush ISN'T running for a third term!

It's funny. This guy actually thinks that he just informed people of this.

Uncle Teddy wrote:

Can't some of you liberals fucking understand that? .

Can some of you remember shit like this next time you say that liberals are so intolerant.

Uncle Teddy wrote:

And no conservative Evangelical Christian is going to vote for a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT like Barrack Obama, let alone that flake McCain. They rather vote for Romney, and he is a Mormon!

I actually agree with this, except for calling Obama a liberal. A social conservative has to win that party's nomination. Plus, unlike the Democrats the GOP is smart enough to run a governor.

My money is on Romney as the next president.

IWillLiveForeve

This isn't a liberal conservative thing. Here is what is special about him. I was at a dinner/charity thing 6 months ago where he was the speaker. The fucker is smart. Then he made his way around the room shaking hands, having drinks/politicking with people. He has charisma coming out his pores--no shit.

Uncle Leo

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

He has charisma coming out his pores--no shit.

What does it smell like?

norm

Uncle Leo wrote:

What does it smell like?

Victory!:D:D