If Pro-Lifers Really Believed the Unborn Were Human...
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Then wouldn't they act to stop abortion more directly? In the '80s, numerous protest groups blocked the entrances to abortion clinics for instance. Even more extreme behavior has been done by others, which I do not necessarily approve of.
I've always wondered about this question, as a strongly pro-life voter.
If you saw someone who was about to be killed, and you could stop it, would you?
If you didn't, would you consider yourself a coward?
Instead of acting right then to stop the murder, would you simply vote against that behavior? Maybe down the road it will be stopped, while the killing continues...
So many pro-lifers claim to view the unborn child as a human being, just like you and I. But they don't treat it like a human being, because if they did, there'd be more people doing direct action to stop abortion.
I look at the left wing scum protesting for fairy tales and tiddlywinks at the RNC, and I think of how much more important stopping abortion is. And yet we don't do nearly as much as the anarchist nincompoops. It either shows that we're cowards or we don't really believe the unborn child is a human being worth defending.
I've always wondered about this question, as a strongly pro-life voter.
If you saw someone who was about to be killed, and you could stop it, would you?
If you didn't, would you consider yourself a coward?
Instead of acting right then to stop the murder, would you simply vote against that behavior? Maybe down the road it will be stopped, while the killing continues...
So many pro-lifers claim to view the unborn child as a human being, just like you and I. But they don't treat it like a human being, because if they did, there'd be more people doing direct action to stop abortion.
I look at the left wing scum protesting for fairy tales and tiddlywinks at the RNC, and I think of how much more important stopping abortion is. And yet we don't do nearly as much as the anarchist nincompoops. It either shows that we're cowards or we don't really believe the unborn child is a human being worth defending.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
-Enoch Powell
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that's it!!!!!!
the last sentence is the correct answer. as to the rest, there are laws against blocking access to clinics. the fetus is certainly not human enough to risk going to jail over.
why don't people protest for better healthcare?
why don't people protest high gas prices?
yeah, i don't get it either.
So why don't YOU do something about it rather that just make posts on a Pearl Jam message board?
Get involved man! Don't be a coward!
Why do you reference "we"? Can't you just go do something on your own? Stand up to those nutjob baby-killing liberals!
Maybe you should put your money where your mouth is and adopt or foster a kid yourself.
Probably because, that like...costs money, and is a horrible inconvenience.
What are you thinking?!?!
Well maybe he feels so much more power in typing up words than hitting the road to make something happen. Experience it yourself you're not far away march and protest, man.
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I find it funny how bush, mccain etc.. Can be pro life and pro war.
I think so too. Oh well, if that's contributing to the cause then so be it. Who am I to judge levels of involvement?
That's because a ball of cells is so pure, and so innocent (except in the eyes of a typical Christian god...you know since we all live in sin) ...how could you end the life of a non-living creature? How dare you?
Dropping a 20 ton bomb into a village of possible "evil-doers" or potential "terrorists" is completely justified. If if kills 200 innocent and kills 1 terrorist, I can sleep good at night.
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what exactly would protesting high gas prices do? the government can't lower the price. (unless you want them to take away the taxes on gas)
This is just an assumption, but I honestly believe that pro-life politicians really don't want abortions outlawed. As far as spending and continued increase of government, Republicans are pretty much the same as Democrats in that aspect so abortion is one of the major issues that defines them. Without that issue how could they possible garner the support of en extremely well funded, very vocal and very well organized Christian Right. The Pro-Lifers and Republicans need their support, excuse me money, so they need abortion on the table as an issue.
As to the average citizen I can't give you a reason as to why they don't do more.
Sarcasm at its best, or at least i hope.
1. There is now a law against blockading clinics, which wasn't around in the '80s.
2. This past December, there was a guy here in town who didn't want his girlfriend to have an abortion so he fire-bombed the clinic. The clinic was a total loss, but all the patients still got their abortions. This kind of "direct action" doesn't stop anything.
That's how it works. Drop those bombs on people like rain, but whatever you do just don't kill an unborn child!!!! :eek:
It's pretty insane, but in this case religion is a disease. That I am sure of. so give us yer money...er I mean pass the collection plate...
keep passing the the tax free collection plate forward...
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Agreed!
Good points...
I always wondered why staunch pro-lifers aren't opposed to capital punishment or anti-war, which would fall under extremely later term abortion.
I have a serious problem with dropping bombs on the camel jockeys and I also oppose abortion.
If you saw that a camel jockey was about to get shot, would you try to stop it?
If pro-life people really believe unborn babies are human beings (which I do), why do we not do more to fight abortion? At least as much as the douchebag leftist protestors at the RNC.
-Enoch Powell
I'm not clear on what exactly you're suggesting they do...
I think your opinion might hold a little more water if you didn't use "camel jockey" and "douche bag leftist protesters" in your posts. Those "douche bags" have just as much right to protest in front of the RNC as would you in front of an abortion clinic if you so choose.
As long as no one is fire bombing clinics or convention centers, express your opinions.
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Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
What the Pro-Life movement doesn't realize is that standing outside of a clinic calling some pregnant teen a whore and a murder isn't going to win them any support. The founding father provided us all with a mean to enact change in this country. It's called an amendment, use it. Start a movement to amend the constitution that is the right way to get things done.
Well - there probably are anti-abortionists who do realize that. Otherwise, they'd ALL be outside clinics doing that very thing. But then again if they feel it is murder and they can stop just one, haven't they succeeded?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I guess if they stop one it can be seen as a small victory, but my point is to use the appropriate channels.
I agree and my point is that the OP raises a very good question and I hadn't thought of it from that perspective. If it's murder, why aren't we doing more to stop it? I don't have a good answer for that.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
It definitely is a valid question and one I don't have an answer to. I wrote a reply as to why I believe Pro-Life politicians don't do more but as to why the average pro-lifer I have no clue.
I wouldn't consider myself staunch by any means but I will say this:
There is a HUGE difference between and unborn child being killed and a murderer/ rapist/ etc, who made a choice to commit a crime that warranted the death penalty.
I think it's all the same. That's why I'm against all killing.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I am one of them: pro-life, anti-war, and opposed to capital punishment. I believe abortion is killing an innocent life, and war is 100% wrong in every case-- I don't think there's ever been a time where every other option prior to fighting a war has been exhausted. If all other options to avoid war were ever considered first and nothing worked, then and only then, war is necessary. Of course this never happens. Not even half of the available options to avoid war are ever implemented-- There's too much money to be made from war. War has become pre-emptive in this country for purposes of profiteering, and little else.
Capital punishment is the only one with any kind of gray area for me. If someone was so dangerous to society as a whole that their removal from this planet would actually ensure a better world for the rest of us, then maybe I could see them being put to death. I couldn't personally decide if someone should be put to death. That judgement, I believe, goes way above me. Ironically, I don't think there's any serial-killer or rapist out there who couldn't be imprisoned for life under maximum security... The only people who fit the description that I describe above, that are potentially deserving of the death penalty (in my eyes), are the people WHO START WARS. They are truly an endagerment to the greater good of all society, and they've written all the rules to ensure that they NEVER lose their lives as a result of the bullshit they cause. They have no problem sacrificing the lives of just about anyone else for their own gain, and anywhere from thousands to millions of people die as a result.
People talk about using the death penalty as a deterrent. There are no deterrents for people in power. Maybe for them, there should be.
no there isn't. we're all born evil sinners (original sin anyone?). so that baby is guilty as sin when born and before.