pc on the left is annoying, i'll grant you that. but i see a lot of pissing and moaning on that front here, whereas the right is actually organizing and passing laws on this stuff. furthermore, except for the token reagan nod, all those examples are british. things must be a bit different over there. it sounds like your conservatives are what our conservatives USED to be and now only pay lip service to while acting as puppets for christian fundamentalists.
on the flip side, saying a worker's movement was tied to methodism does not make is conservative. there have been a number of very liberal alliances between religion and social causes... slavery, women's rights, and worker's rights being among them. but that was 100 years ago or so and things have changed and religion is now aligned with social conservatism.
It's more blurred here in the UK, and that might be the rub - to use a bowling analogy - of our divergent opinions.
It's more blurred here in the UK, and that might be the rub - to use a bowling analogy - of our divergent opinions.
from my very rudimentary understanding of uk politics, i think you're right. blair and the labour party are all for war in iraq right? typically here, pro-war is conservative and pro-labor is liberal. so there is definitely some blurring there.
bowling... is that different from american bowling? the pins and the alley and whatnot? never knew that was a bowling reference...
I think it may be because after the last 8 years (I'm not saying which way I vote but...) people want things to change & they have been fed that it is time to get the Republicans out of the White House. I don't think Obama is living up tho the hype that the media has created for him.
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I've noticed a lot more anti-Obama and anti-left posts on this board than when I used to visit awhile ago.
Is it just me, or do more and more of the posters on this board seem to be rational right wingers instead of looney leftists?
I don't think it's an issue of more right-winger vs less left-wingers. I think that many have simply tossed aside their loyalties to the Democratic party. I for one was a Democrat in my younger days but as I aged and learned I steered clear of the Democratic party, as well as the Republican party.
What I have noticed is more Libertarian minded individuals popping up which does make me happy.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Being someone who shares certain idealogies from both ends of the spectrum, I think you're all on crack.
Actually, Libertarians are the only sane people. The bible thumpers and tree huggers can fuck off.
AMEN! I'm so tired of the extreme element in both major parties. I don't want to live by the bible's moral code and I don't want to live in a socialized nation. I want my government to leave me the fuck alone and let me live my life.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Somewhere along the line, real conservatives need to reject the excesses of the Republicans and the downright traitorous Democrats.
Traitorous? Interesting...please explain. I seem to recall the current Republican administration outing a CIA operative's identity. Seems a lot like treason to me.
Some of us were lifelong Democrats (me) who are sick and tired of being taxed to pay for people who don't want to work or are here illegally. I just can't have the same political views as those people. I need to work against that.
Personally I'd rather pay taxes for a Mexican child to get medical needs then to have taxes go to war where some Iraqi kids are harmed by the fighting...
The fact is no one is ever going to fully accept where tax dollars are spent 100%. And I don't believe in DRASTIC differences in taxation between the two sides. It's a political tool Republicans use to win elections and that simple minded folks (like my dear ol' Dad) fall for every time.
One thing I do know is that in the 12 years I was conscious enough to pay attention my parents didn't complain about taxes under the Clinton years. It wasn't until the Bush years where they had no money were the complaints about taxes made.
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It's more blurred here in the UK, and that might be the rub - to use a bowling analogy - of our divergent opinions.
from my very rudimentary understanding of uk politics, i think you're right. blair and the labour party are all for war in iraq right? typically here, pro-war is conservative and pro-labor is liberal. so there is definitely some blurring there.
bowling... is that different from american bowling? the pins and the alley and whatnot? never knew that was a bowling reference...
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Actually, Libertarians are the only sane people. The bible thumpers and tree huggers can fuck off.
Many lefties are against Obama, because he's not very left.
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I agree, but I don't know much about Libertarians?
I don't think it's an issue of more right-winger vs less left-wingers. I think that many have simply tossed aside their loyalties to the Democratic party. I for one was a Democrat in my younger days but as I aged and learned I steered clear of the Democratic party, as well as the Republican party.
What I have noticed is more Libertarian minded individuals popping up which does make me happy.
AMEN! I'm so tired of the extreme element in both major parties. I don't want to live by the bible's moral code and I don't want to live in a socialized nation. I want my government to leave me the fuck alone and let me live my life.
Traitorous? Interesting...please explain. I seem to recall the current Republican administration outing a CIA operative's identity. Seems a lot like treason to me.
Personally I'd rather pay taxes for a Mexican child to get medical needs then to have taxes go to war where some Iraqi kids are harmed by the fighting...
The fact is no one is ever going to fully accept where tax dollars are spent 100%. And I don't believe in DRASTIC differences in taxation between the two sides. It's a political tool Republicans use to win elections and that simple minded folks (like my dear ol' Dad) fall for every time.
One thing I do know is that in the 12 years I was conscious enough to pay attention my parents didn't complain about taxes under the Clinton years. It wasn't until the Bush years where they had no money were the complaints about taxes made.
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4/10/2008 EV Solo (****1/2)
6/25/2008 MSG II (*****)
10/1/2009 LA II (****)
10/6/2009 LA III (***** Cornell!!!)