Ron Paul is Devoutly Pro-Life!!!!!!!!!!

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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    For you, anytime. ;)
    aww shucks :)

    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    We most definitely should be able to A LOT better.

    now if we could just figure out how.
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  • binger
    binger Posts: 179
    Hmm...Bush is a pro-lifer. He had a Republican congress for 6 years. Safe to assume most of them were pro-lifers. Abortion is still legal. I think Republicans keep it that way so they still have a base.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    One more reason not to vote for him .... not that I needed one.
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  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    This is what irks me:

    When you say that you don't want your view to be forced upon anyone, that doesn't mean anything at all. You're forcing only one option, in reality, and that is abortion.
    Ron Paul is entitled to his opinion on abortion, as are you, but it doesn't mean that it should become law. With legalized abortion, you have the power to do what you want with your body. If you don't agree with abortion, then don't have one. But what right do you have to make abortion illegal and take away the power from someone else to decide what they do with their body?
    If I disagree with you, the only option you're forcing on me is that my society must have abortion in it.
    Well, it's our society, and the decision to choose is up to you. Again, if you disagree with abortion, no one is going to force you or your loved ones to get one.
    It's amazing that the pro-choice movement has so little confidence in itself that it could support the right to do something that most within the movement would supposedly "never approve of" themselves. That shows true and utter moral degradation. The moral confidence of past generations has truly gone to hell and in its place, ethical subjectivism has prevailed.

    It is amazing that so many pro-choice people would "never get an abortion themselves," but they still favor the right to choose. That's a good thing. Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. Don't you think it's a big arrogant to say you would never get an abortion, so that means no one in the country should be allowed to safely terminate a pregnancy? I should not have the right to decide what you do with your body.

    "My body's nobody's body but mine...
    You run your own body, let me run mine."
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    JD Sal wrote:
    Well, it's our society, and the decision to choose is up to you. Again, if you disagree with abortion, no one is going to force you or your loved ones to get one.

    It is amazing that so many pro-choice people would "never get an abortion themselves," but they still favor the right to choose. That's a good thing. Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. Don't you think it's a big arrogant to say you would never get an abortion, so that means no one in the country should be allowed to safely terminate a pregnancy? I should not have the right to decide what you do with your body.

    "My body's nobody's body but mine...
    You run your own body, let me run mine."

    Here's the problem with that argument:

    Many folks who are "pro-life" believe that abortion is equivalent to taking a new-born baby and shooting it. So it's hard for them to say, "Well it's okay for others but not for me."

    It'd be like asking someone who is against the death penalty, "Well, just don't you or anyone you care about go and commit any crimes that will result in getting the death penalty." It's missing the entire point that drives their thought process behind the opinion.

    It's not a perfect analogy but I think the point is made.
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  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    fanch75 wrote:
    Here's the problem with that argument:

    Many folks who are "pro-life" believe that abortion is equivalent to taking a new-born baby and shooting it. So it's hard for them to say, "Well it's okay for others but not for me."

    But the fact is, it is not the equivalent of taking a new-born baby and shooting it.

    My point was that abortion was not being forced on him. No one is making him work at an abortion clinic, and no one is going to force him or his loved ones to have an abortion. Why does he care what some woman across the country does with her body? He believes, and I could be wrong, that life starts at conception. So to borrow from Bill Maher, does that mean when I'm smoking a cigarette after sex, there's now a 3rd person in the room? What about the morning after pill? Is that too like taking a new born baby and shooting it?
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    JD Sal wrote:
    But the fact is, it is not the equivalent of taking a new-born baby and shooting it.

    My point was that abortion was not being forced on him. No one is making him work at an abortion clinic, and no one is going to force him or his loved ones to have an abortion. Why does he care what some woman across the country does with her body? He believes, and I could be wrong, that life starts at conception. So to borrow from Bill Maher, does that mean when I'm smoking a cigarette after sex, there's now a 3rd person in the room? What about the morning after pill? Is that too like taking a new born baby and shooting it?

    I agree with what you are saying -

    The heart of this entire matter has nothing to do with being "pro-life" (as if abortion-rights folks are pro-death) or "pro-choice" (as if folks against abortion believe that women should all be in the kitchen deep-frying meat while the husband is out smoking cigars and nailing 18 year olds)......

    The heart of the matter is "When does human life begin?" That's where the divide between "her body" and "killing a baby" happens. You have to define that first. That's where this entire debate stems when you think about it - where does human life begin?

    Whether someone works at a clinic or is pregant personally doesn't really have anything to do with this.
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