What I am saying is that human beings are part of nature, and therefore all that we do is natural. It can be deplorable. And still it's as natural as a Tsunami that kills thousands, or as natural as an animal tearing another animal from limb to limb. All within nature is natural.
Nonsense. Good luck with that.
An animal tearing another animal limb from limb is usually in accordance with the food chain. Not the same as racism.
A disastrous tsunami is a weather phenomenon that ocurs when natural conditions warrant such an event (i'm no meteorologist). Not the same as racism. No natural law states that whites and blacks must hate eachother to survive or when whites and blacks interact, hatred will occur.
Racism is a human behavior. Human behavior, is by and large, learned.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Nonsense. Good luck with that.
An animal tearing another animal limb from limb is usually in accordance with the food chain. Not the same as racism.
A disastrous tsunami is a weather phenomenon that ocurs when natural conditions warrant such an event (i'm no meteorologist). Not the same as racism. No natural law states that whites and blacks must hate eachother to survive or when whites and blacks interact, hatred will occur.
Racism is a human behavior. Human behavior, is by and large, learned.
cornnifer...answer me this. How can you enact an action outside of nature?
edit: human nature is certainly learned. It is still natural.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
cornnifer...answer me this. How can you enact an action outside of nature?
edit: human nature is certainly learned. It is still natural.
are you speaking of nature or Nature angelica? seems to me you may be getting the two mixed up. but please correct me if im wrong. i believe that man lives outside Nature. he rarely tries to live within it and then finds himself in the position of having to backpeddle when he realises the damage hes done to his environment. and i mean his spiritual, physical and mental environment. man 'oppressing' others in my opinion is natural...man oppressing others purely because of perceived race is not. hierarchies happen within all societies so it should be no surprise, nor should it be denied that this happens within human society.
to my mind, racism is a product of the death of the fuedal system in europe and the rise of the nation state. where identification to ONE 'master', so to speak, was paramount to the success of the nation state as an entity. for one to identify with a particular nation state there had to be 'others' that were excluded from it. this in my opinion is the beginning of racism as we know it today.
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are you speaking of nature or Nature angelica? seems to me you may be getting the two mixed up. but please correct me if im wrong. i believe that man lives outside Nature. he rarely tries to live within it and then finds himself in the position of having to backpeddle when he realises the damage hes done to his environment. and i mean his spiritual, physical and mental environment. man 'oppressing' others in my opinion is natural...man oppressing others purely because of perceived race is not. hierarchies happen within all societies so it should be no surprise, nor should it be denied that this happens within human society.
to my mind, racism is a product of the death of the fuedal system in europe and the rise of the nation state. where identification to ONE 'master', so to speak, was paramount to the success of the nation state as an entity. for one to identify with a particular nation state there had to be 'others' that were excluded from it. this in my opinion is the beginning of racism as we know it today.
Man is outside of nature in man's perceptions only. Man remains fully immersed within nature and what is natural.
Man's perceptions may go beyond the perceptions of all other natural life. Man may have spiritual and mental accountability for his/her actions beyond all other life. And still, man is one with nature (again, excepting in his/her awareness, through, for example thought, or theory...).
I personally don't believe in an objective reality, like a "real" history, given history relies heavily on subjective narratives or agreed upon subjective narratives. I also recognize that the idea of an objective reality is disconnected from the whole of reality that includes subjective/objective/and inter-I/we (social/cultural) realities at one time.
I believe that racism, like violence, stems from the heart of man in each moment, as it occurs. And I see that it evolved at some point due to variables in our natural evolution. Racism is a somewhat learned behaviour, even though it stems from our natural potential for darkness. So to a large degree, it can be unlearned, although not erased.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Man is outside of nature in man's perceptions only. Man remains fully immersed within nature and what is natural.
Man's perceptions may go beyond the perceptions of all other natural life. Man may have spiritual and mental accountability for his/her actions beyond all other life. And still, man is one with nature (again, excepting in his/her awareness, through, for example thought, or theory...).
I personally don't believe in an objective reality, like a "real" history, given history relies heavily on subjective narratives or agreed upon subjective narratives. I also recognize that the idea of an objective reality is disconnected from the whole of reality that includes subjective/objective/and inter-I/we (social/cultural) realities at one time.
I believe that racism, like violence, stems from the heart of man in each moment, as it occurs. And I see that it evolved at some point due to variables in our natural evolution. Racism is a somewhat learned behaviour, even though it stems from our natural potential for darkness. So to a large degree, it can be unlearned, although not erased.
i believe violence is an absolute base instinct. one that man through societal contructs has been taught to repress. perhaps for his own self preservation, perhaps not. though im more inclined to think it was for the supposed good of society, or the hierarchy of said society.
i dont equate violence and racism. while i believe man has the capacity(obviously) within him to foment racism. i believe he had the choice and chose wrongly. a level of violence was integral to the survival of man, racism serves no purpose but to oppress through the delusion of superiority. therefore to me, racism is much more than a somewhat learned behaviour. i believe it is a TOTAL learned behaviour.
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i believe violence is an absolute base instinct. one that man through societal contructs has been taught to repress. perhaps for his own self preservation, perhaps not. though im more inclined to think it was for the supposed good of society, or the hierarchy of said society.
i dont equate violence and racism. while i believe man has the capacity(obviously) within him to foment racism. i believe he had the choice and chose wrongly. a level of violence was integral to the survival of man, racism serves no purpose but to oppress through the delusion of superiority. therefore to me, racism is much more than a somewhat learned behaviour. i believe it is a TOTAL learned behaviour.
Yes, racism is maladaptive, and we pay the price for any and all maladaptive behaviours. We maladapt. This is not good. It means we cope in a way that is harmful to us. Contrarily to this being outside of nature, this is the beauty of nature and of cause and effect or karma. We have choice. and we get the dark consequences of unhealthy choices. At the same time, when we adapt, we have the peace and clarity of healthy choices. It's brilliant!
Unfortunately, we're still in a fairly dark, unconscious age, as many people are oblivious to the darkness that they create due to lack of awareness. It's about where we are in our evolution.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yes, racism is maladaptive, and we pay the price for any and all maladaptive behaviours. We maladapt. This is not good. It means we cope in a way that is harmful to us. Contrarily to this being outside of nature, this is the beauty of nature and of cause and effect or karma. We have choice. and we get the dark consequences of unhealthy choices. At the same time, when we adapt, we have the peace and clarity of healthy choices. It's brilliant!
Unfortunately, we're still in a fairly dark, unconscious age, as many people are oblivious to the darkness that they create due to lack of awareness. It's about where we are in our evolution.
firstly cause and effect and karma are not the same thing. ive yet to see the measurable result of karma.
secondly, so you think that one can not be fully aware of their actions and yet still be what you call maladaptive? that a persons lack of awareness will ALWAYS mean they are oblivious to the darkness they create? can one not go into so called maladaptive actions in full consciousness of what they are doing and the result of that doing?
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firstly cause and effect and karma are not the same thing. ive yet to see the measurable result of karma.
I'm talking about karma as the causes and effects of our actions. You are talking about measurable results.
karma: Kar"ma\, n. [Skr.] (Buddhism) One's acts considered as fixing one's lot in the future existence. (Theos.) The doctrine of fate as the inflexible result of cause and effect; the theory of inevitable consequence.
"Through the law of karma, the effects of all deeds actively create past, present, and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to him/her and others."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
secondly, so you think that one can not be fully aware of their actions and yet still be what you call maladaptive? that a persons lack of awareness will ALWAYS mean they are oblivious to the darkness they create? can one not go into so called maladaptive actions in full consciousness of what they are doing and the result of that doing?
It depends on the situation. I was saying that in general, people are pretty blind to the actual causes and effects of their actions.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'm talking about karma as the causes and effects of our actions. You are talking about measurable results.
karma: Kar"ma\, n. [Skr.] (Buddhism) One's acts considered as fixing one's lot in the future existence. (Theos.) The doctrine of fate as the inflexible result of cause and effect; the theory of inevitable consequence.
"Through the law of karma, the effects of all deeds actively create past, present, and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to him/her and others."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
im well aware of the definition of karma thanks. it is not something i put any value in. my soul lives and dies with me. i am talking about the effects of our actions being measurable. every action has a reaction or an effect if you like. surely you understand that. karma has no measurable effect. thats all i was saying.
It depends on the situation. I was saying that in general, people are pretty blind to the actual causes and effects of their actions.
and i was just asking because you put such great stock in positive actions whether you thought it possible that the same could be said for definitive negative actions. i know when i choose to do what i do i am fully cogniscent of the outcomes. and thats the reason i do what i do. if for some reason the need arises for me to 'get my happy on' so to speak, i know i am going against my nature and it tires me, then my being break down.
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im well aware of the definition of karma thanks. it is not something i put any value in. my soul lives and dies with me. i am talking about the effects of our actions being measurable. every action has a reaction or an effect if you like. surely you understand that. karma has no measurable effect. thats all i was saying.
and i was just asking because you put such great stock in positive actions whether you thought it possible that the same could be said for definitive negative actions. i know when i choose to do what i do i am fully cogniscent of the outcomes. and thats the reason i do what i do. if for some reason the need arises for me to 'get my happy on' so to speak, i know i am going against my nature and it tires me, then my being break down.
Keep in mind I'm talking about the majority, in general terms. I've had to learn to be aware, and head into my own darkness. I'm a huge believer in doing "shadow work", which is exactly that. The average person doesn't do that at this time, And yet lots of people looking to resolve their stuff (which happen to be the minority), or at least be true to themselves do.
For me, the stock I put is in adaptive actions. And when people are awakening from the tribal mindsets we are taught, adaptive is not always "positive" in the typical ways, although it is progressive, ultimately.
I used to delve into my sexual assaults in order to resolve them. And since I was riddled with "mental illness" my family members would tell me I'm causing my own problems by dredging up that stuff...I should just leave it alone. Thankfully, I knew better inside myself. I instinctively knew what to look into on the path of moving through it. They knew ignorant judgments which perpetuated the stifling environment that contributed to my lack of health. Eventually, I found supports that supported me talking about and feeling my pain, which helped me exorcise some demons rather than have them stuck inside. This was a HUGE part of my healing.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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Nonsense. Good luck with that.
An animal tearing another animal limb from limb is usually in accordance with the food chain. Not the same as racism.
A disastrous tsunami is a weather phenomenon that ocurs when natural conditions warrant such an event (i'm no meteorologist). Not the same as racism. No natural law states that whites and blacks must hate eachother to survive or when whites and blacks interact, hatred will occur.
Racism is a human behavior. Human behavior, is by and large, learned.
edit: human nature is certainly learned. It is still natural.
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are you speaking of nature or Nature angelica? seems to me you may be getting the two mixed up. but please correct me if im wrong. i believe that man lives outside Nature. he rarely tries to live within it and then finds himself in the position of having to backpeddle when he realises the damage hes done to his environment. and i mean his spiritual, physical and mental environment. man 'oppressing' others in my opinion is natural...man oppressing others purely because of perceived race is not. hierarchies happen within all societies so it should be no surprise, nor should it be denied that this happens within human society.
to my mind, racism is a product of the death of the fuedal system in europe and the rise of the nation state. where identification to ONE 'master', so to speak, was paramount to the success of the nation state as an entity. for one to identify with a particular nation state there had to be 'others' that were excluded from it. this in my opinion is the beginning of racism as we know it today.
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Man is outside of nature in man's perceptions only. Man remains fully immersed within nature and what is natural.
Man's perceptions may go beyond the perceptions of all other natural life. Man may have spiritual and mental accountability for his/her actions beyond all other life. And still, man is one with nature (again, excepting in his/her awareness, through, for example thought, or theory...).
I personally don't believe in an objective reality, like a "real" history, given history relies heavily on subjective narratives or agreed upon subjective narratives. I also recognize that the idea of an objective reality is disconnected from the whole of reality that includes subjective/objective/and inter-I/we (social/cultural) realities at one time.
I believe that racism, like violence, stems from the heart of man in each moment, as it occurs. And I see that it evolved at some point due to variables in our natural evolution. Racism is a somewhat learned behaviour, even though it stems from our natural potential for darkness. So to a large degree, it can be unlearned, although not erased.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
i believe violence is an absolute base instinct. one that man through societal contructs has been taught to repress. perhaps for his own self preservation, perhaps not. though im more inclined to think it was for the supposed good of society, or the hierarchy of said society.
i dont equate violence and racism. while i believe man has the capacity(obviously) within him to foment racism. i believe he had the choice and chose wrongly. a level of violence was integral to the survival of man, racism serves no purpose but to oppress through the delusion of superiority. therefore to me, racism is much more than a somewhat learned behaviour. i believe it is a TOTAL learned behaviour.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Yes, racism is maladaptive, and we pay the price for any and all maladaptive behaviours. We maladapt. This is not good. It means we cope in a way that is harmful to us. Contrarily to this being outside of nature, this is the beauty of nature and of cause and effect or karma. We have choice. and we get the dark consequences of unhealthy choices. At the same time, when we adapt, we have the peace and clarity of healthy choices. It's brilliant!
Unfortunately, we're still in a fairly dark, unconscious age, as many people are oblivious to the darkness that they create due to lack of awareness. It's about where we are in our evolution.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
firstly cause and effect and karma are not the same thing. ive yet to see the measurable result of karma.
secondly, so you think that one can not be fully aware of their actions and yet still be what you call maladaptive? that a persons lack of awareness will ALWAYS mean they are oblivious to the darkness they create? can one not go into so called maladaptive actions in full consciousness of what they are doing and the result of that doing?
take a good look
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hold my hand
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i just need to say
karma: Kar"ma\, n. [Skr.] (Buddhism) One's acts considered as fixing one's lot in the future existence. (Theos.) The doctrine of fate as the inflexible result of cause and effect; the theory of inevitable consequence.
"Through the law of karma, the effects of all deeds actively create past, present, and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to him/her and others." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
It depends on the situation. I was saying that in general, people are pretty blind to the actual causes and effects of their actions.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
im well aware of the definition of karma thanks. it is not something i put any value in. my soul lives and dies with me. i am talking about the effects of our actions being measurable. every action has a reaction or an effect if you like. surely you understand that. karma has no measurable effect. thats all i was saying.
and i was just asking because you put such great stock in positive actions whether you thought it possible that the same could be said for definitive negative actions. i know when i choose to do what i do i am fully cogniscent of the outcomes. and thats the reason i do what i do. if for some reason the need arises for me to 'get my happy on' so to speak, i know i am going against my nature and it tires me, then my being break down.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
For me, the stock I put is in adaptive actions. And when people are awakening from the tribal mindsets we are taught, adaptive is not always "positive" in the typical ways, although it is progressive, ultimately.
I used to delve into my sexual assaults in order to resolve them. And since I was riddled with "mental illness" my family members would tell me I'm causing my own problems by dredging up that stuff...I should just leave it alone. Thankfully, I knew better inside myself. I instinctively knew what to look into on the path of moving through it. They knew ignorant judgments which perpetuated the stifling environment that contributed to my lack of health. Eventually, I found supports that supported me talking about and feeling my pain, which helped me exorcise some demons rather than have them stuck inside. This was a HUGE part of my healing.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!