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gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
Classy speech.

But, for lying to Federal Agents?

You're a Patriot. And you don't even know it. :)
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    A shame about the steroids, though.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    oh yeah tis always a shame when people decide to fuckin' cheat their way to the top. :rolleyes:
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    oh yeah tis always a shame when people decide to fuckin' cheat their way to the top. :rolleyes:

    Sad thing is she really didn't have to. Or, that is to say, she is/was a top-notch track and field phenom.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    Sad thing is she really didn't have to. Or, that is to say, she is/was a top-notch track and field phenom.

    then why'd she do it?
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    then why'd she do it?
    Cuz everyone else was, probably.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    Cuz everyone else was, probably.

    really? that's the most pathetic excuse ive ever heard. and more than likely untrue.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    really? that's the most pathetic excuse ive ever heard. and more than likely untrue.

    She's not making excuses. She's fessing up, and I've got to give her credit for coming clean like she is. She's a classy person. Not bad looking either.

    Heheh.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    She's not making excuses. She's fessing up, and I've got to give her credit for coming clean like she is. She's a classy person. Not bad looking either.

    Heheh.


    oh i wasn't pointing that at marion jones gue. you were the one that said it.

    and give me a break would you. she didnt come clean as an act of contrition. she's doing it before someone else outs her. and to lessen her jail time.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    oh i wasn't pointing that at marion jones gue. you were the one that said it.

    and give me a break would you. she didnt come clean as an act of contrition. she's doing it before someone else outs her. and to lessen her jail time.

    All I'm saying is, and the reason I made the post is because I saw the press conference, in which she outed herself to her fans, and she did it in a dignified and honest manner.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    All I'm saying is, and the reason I made the post is because I saw the press conference, in which she outed herself to her fans, and she did it in a dignified and honest manner.

    And then of course I gave my twist on the Federal Government which is pretty much 'fuck the federal government."
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    All I'm saying is, and the reason I made the post is because I saw the press conference, in which she outed herself to her fans, and she did it in a dignified and honest manner.


    more chastened than dignified i would say. and im sure her publicity people were up all night working on that speech. ;):p:D
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    more chastened than dignified i would say. and im sure her publicity people were up all night working on that speech. ;):p:D

    Nah.

    I mean, why can't some of our politicians come clean like that? I don't think her shame was contrived. The concern for what this was going to do to her family, not contrived. In spite of what she may be facing in jail time, I think she came out strong and equal to honest as she could.... The gig was up.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    Nah.

    I mean, why can't some of our politicians come clean like that? I don't think her shame was contrived. The concern for what this was going to do to her family, not contrived. In spite of what she may be facing in jail time, I think she came out strong and equal to honest as she could.... The gig was up.

    i didn't say contrived. i said chastened. caught with her hand in the cookie jar so to speak. and yeah i can imagine she is concerned for her family. genuinely so, why wouldn't she be?

    and when one is faced with irrefutable evidence, what the hell else can they do but bite the bullet and come clean?
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    i didn't say contrived. i said chastened. caught with her hand in the cookie jar so to speak. and yeah i can imagine she is concerned for her family. genuinely so, why wouldn't she be?

    and when one is faced with irrefutable evidence, what the hell else can they do but bite the bullet and come clean?
    My point is that she could have kept lying. It's the American Way.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    My point is that she could have kept lying. It's the American Way.

    jeez gue i feel like i should have bought you a drink by now with all this back and forth we got going. :)


    and my point is.....ah who am i kidding i don't have one. ah yes i do... don't cheat in the first place and you'll have nothing to confess. ;):D:p
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    jeez gue i feel like i should have bought you a drink by now with all this back and forth we got going. :)


    and my point is.....ah who am i kidding i don't have one. ah yes i do... don't cheat in the first place and you'll have nothing to confess. ;):D:p

    She overdramatized her position. I mean, with lying to her country and all that BS rhetoric.

    Up til then, though, she was admirable, brave.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    She overdramatized her position. I mean, with lying to her country and all that BS rhetoric.

    Up til then, though, she was admirable, brave.

    and totally encapsulating what it is to be american, or other nationality, in the public eye. rumour rumour - public denial - histrionic outrage - admission and public disgrace - public redemption. throw oneself on the mercy of the country by making them think you actually give a shit what they think. ;)
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    and totally encapsulating what it is to be american, or other nationality, in the public eye. rumour rumour - public denial - histrionic outrage - admission and public disgrace - public redemption. throw oneself on the mercy of the country by making them think you actually give a shit what they think. ;)

    That's not the case these days.

    Or, pretty much ever.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    That's not the case these days.

    Or, pretty much ever.


    which part? all of it? ive seen more press conferences with sport stars asking for forgiveness or admitting wrongs or whatever than i have with politicians. though that probably says more about politicians inability to come clean than anything else. honestly i don't even care what these people do on the field, or track as the case may be, why would i care what they do in private?
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    which part? all of it? ive seen more press conferences with sport stars asking for forgiveness or admitting wrongs or whatever than i have with politicians. though that probably says more about politicians inability to come clean than anything else. honestly i don't even care what these people do on the field, or track as the case may be, why would i care what they do in private?

    Our current politicians aren't being put on the spot by our Federal Agents as they should be. This is so pitiful a headline compared to what really rages on in America.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    gue_barium wrote:
    Our current politicians aren't being put on the spot by our Federal Agents as they should be. This is so pitiful a headline compared to what really rages on in America.

    ah i gotcha now. :)

    and i agree. even in my country politicians skate. the media are bloody useless. they're not journalists, they're publicists.
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  • beachdwellerbeachdweller Posts: 1,532
    she's a liar, and her career is over anyway, so it a big deal to retire. She knew what she was doing, others, including her ex husband underoath, and Conti from Balco said she knew exactly what she was taking. I have no sympathy for her, she still saying she didn't need them, her ability and work ethic made her the best...NOT! The roids are the difference between not making the olympic team and winning medals
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  • vedderfan10vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    She and Ben Johnson can run off into the fake sunset together...
    be philanthropic
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    there are supposed to be a lot more names coming out soon.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    gue_barium wrote:
    She's not making excuses. She's fessing up, and I've got to give her credit for coming clean like she is. She's a classy person. Not bad looking either.

    Heheh.

    So classy that she might be screwing her relay teammates out of medals.

    She might have fessed up in a dignified way, but she only did because she was caught. Kinda like when someone caught having an affair apologizes and comes clean... if she never got caught, there would be no speech about how concerned she was about her family.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    and what about all those times she denied ever ever taking drugs. liar liar pants of fire.
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  • HinnyHinny Posts: 1,610
    Ok. Now hand back every medal she's ever won. And have her jump on some computer to wipe out every single win she's had from the records.

    If she can do that, THEN she's really contrite.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Hinny wrote:
    Ok. Now hand back every medal she's ever won. And have her jump on some computer to wipe out every single win she's had from the records.

    If she can do that, THEN she's really contrite.

    and if she was really contrite she'd have already handed the medals back.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Man, they knew she was taking steroids at the time, I remember see all the hoola about it. The question is, why is she admitting NOW? Why all of a sudden, seven years after the fact? Are the Feds persecuting her in another way to get her to apologize, because that apology totally didn't seem natural. Something else is up, as always.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Man, they knew she was taking steroids at the time, I remember see all the hoola about it. The question is, why is she admitting NOW? Why all of a sudden, seven years after the fact? Are the Feds persecuting her in another way to get her to apologize, because that apology totally didn't seem natural. Something else is up, as always.

    tis all part of a bigger investigation. the feds gave her the chance to fess up and get a lighter jail sentence.
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