Reaching Critical Will

gue_barium

"In particular, women's organizations have often played a vital role--from the Hague peace conferences of the 19th century to the present time. The role of women in the maintenance and promotion of peace and security was recognized by the Security Council in Resolution 1325 (2000). Women have rightly observed that armament policies and the use of armed force have often been influenced by misguided ideas about masculinity and strength. An understanding of and emancipation from this traditional perspective might help to remove some of the hurdles on the road to disarmament and nonproliferation."
-Weapons of Mass Destruction Commission
chaired by former UN weapons inspector Hans Blix, in
Weapons of Terror: Freeing the World of Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Arms
page 160, June 1, 2006.

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I found this great site earlier today and have been reading from it since.

Here's the page I started on.

http://www.reachingcriticalwill.org/resources/factsheets/fuelcycle.html

catefrances

so..... if we just remove the he-man mindset from the table then tis do-able?

gue_barium

catefrances wrote:

so..... if we just remove the he-man mindset from the table then tis do-able?

The emancipation from misguided ideals of masculinity - traditional ideals, mostly. Yeah.

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

The emancipation from misguided ideals of masculinity - traditional ideals, mostly. Yeah.

Part of that problem with this transcends gender, I think. It is the problem of 'Authority as Truth.'

catefrances

gue_barium wrote:

Part of that problem with this transcends gender, I think. It is the problem of 'Authority as Truth.'

yes i agree. the misguided notion that because someone in a position of trusted power says so, it is so.

surferdude

gue_barium wrote:

The emancipation from misguided ideals of masculinity - traditional ideals, mostly. Yeah.

In exchange for misguided ideals of femininity.

It's the 21st century. Men and women are equal. Let's cut the sexist, mysandrist bullshit. Any thing a man can and does fuck up a woman can and will equally fuck up and vice versa.

gue_barium

surferdude wrote:

In exchange for misguided ideals of femininity.

It's the 21st century. Men and women are equal. Let's cut the sexist, mysandrist bullshit. Any thing a man can and does fuck up a woman can and will equally fuck up and vice versa.

Well, nothing like missing the point there. It's overwhelmingly the men of this world still starting these unnecessary wars. Overwhelmingly followed by men going in with traditional mindsets of masculinity to fight them.

surferdude

gue_barium wrote:

Well, nothing like missing the point there. It's overwhelmingly the men of this world still starting these unnecessary wars. Overwhelmingly followed by men going in with traditional mindsets of masculinity to fight them.

Men overwhelmingly and increasingly raised by women. You reap what you sow.

angelica

surferdude wrote:

Men overwhelmingly and increasingly raised by women. You reap what you sow.

Men are accountable for their actions; women for theirs. Those who start wars are accountable for that--not their mothers. Men are responsible for the "masculine" mindsets they maintain.

Men and women are equal but very different, and therefore have accountability with very different issues, as they apply.

gue_barium

surferdude wrote:

Men overwhelmingly and increasingly raised by women. You reap what you sow.

Oh I get it. Angry child-support paying man again.

surferdude

angelica wrote:

Men are accountable for their actions; women for theirs. Those who start wars are accountable for that--not their mothers. Men are responsible for the "masculine" mindsets they maintain.

Men and women are equal but very different, and therefore have accountability with very different issues, as they apply.

I fully agree that everyone is accountable for their actions. Mothers are accountable for raising psychopathic boys who like wars. Those boys are accountable for starting wars. Women, who make a greater percentage of the population, could be said to be responsible for voting these war loving boys into power.

It's a form of mysandry to believe that having females in power would result in a better outcome. How about if my neighbourhood would be better without blacks. Would people have a problem with that?

We are all the same in our ability and willingness to completely boondoggle everything we touch. Much of human nature transcends sex.

surferdude

gue_barium wrote:

Oh I get it. Angry child-support paying man again.

Actually I have pretty much full custody of my son and get a great tax break every spring due to him. Nice swing batter but you missed the ball.

gue_barium

Just to remind y'all. This site is primarily about stopping nuclear proliferation. Its got a lot of good information.

http://www.reachingcriticalwill.org/resources/factsheets/fuelcycle.html

angelica

surferdude wrote:

I fully agree that everyone is accountable for their actions. Mothers are accountable for raising psychopathic boys who like wars. Those boys are accountable for starting wars. Women, who make a greater percentage of the population, could be said to be responsible for voting these war loving boys into power.

It's a form of mysandry to believe that having females in power would result in a better outcome. How about if my neighbourhood would be better without blacks. Would people have a problem with that?

We are all the same in our ability and willingness to completely boondoggle everything we touch. Much of human nature transcends sex.

Mothers are accountable for their actions and how they raise their children. They are not accountable for how their children turn out, for example, if they are psychopathic. People are not responsible for what they don't control. So as a mother, I'm responsible for how I treat my son; I am NOT responsible for how he responds to that treatment.

Men and women have very distinct personality preferences. For example, the majority of men (70%) prioritize "thinking" while the majority of women prioritize "feeling" (70% as per MBTI which is widely accepted). The outcomes are very different.

gue_barium

angelica wrote:

Mothers are accountable for their actions and how they raise their children. They are not accountable for how their children turn out, for example, if they are psychopathic. People are not responsible for what they don't control. So as a mother, I'm responsible for how I treat my son; I am NOT responsible for how he responds to that treatment.

Men and women have very distinct personality preferences. For example, the majority of men (70%) prioritize "thinking" while the majority of women prioritize "feeling" (70% as per MBTI which is widely accepted). The outcomes are very different.

Please stay on the topic of ridding the world of nuclear weapons.

surferdude

gue_barium wrote:

Please stay on the topic of ridding the world of nuclear weapons.

Then please don't make ridding the world of nuclear weapons a sexist issue.

gue_barium

surferdude wrote:

Then please don't make ridding the world of nuclear weapons a sexist issue.

Kat. Lock this thread, please. It's obvioiusly pointless at this point.

I'll try another one about nukes another time.

angelica

gue_barium wrote:

Please stay on the topic of ridding the world of nuclear weapons.

I apologize gue.

catefrances

surferdude wrote:

Then please don't make ridding the world of nuclear weapons a sexist issue.

men invented the nuclear bomb. men are the movers in the trade in arms. tis men who are making the decisions to go to war. men continue to do these in the name of progess and money. and democracy of course.

but tis people who will be the solution.

hippiemom

surferdude wrote:

Then please don't make ridding the world of nuclear weapons a sexist issue.

By the fourth post, long before you chimed in, gue was already saying that the problem transcends gender. This thread didn't have to go in the direction that it did, were it not for your predictable defensiveness whenever issues of masculinity or femininity come up.

surferdude

hippiemom wrote:

By the fourth post, long before you chimed in, gue was already saying that the problem transcends gender. This thread didn't have to go in the direction that it did, were it not for your predictable defensiveness whenever issues of masculinity or femininity come up.

Truth be told gue's post should have ended it but I missed the meaning of what was said. My bad.

You say preictable as if it's a bad thing. I see nothing wrong with bringing sexist or mysandrist behavior to light. It's no different from racist behavior and should not be tolerated.

Austicman

So where does Maragret Thatcher the Faulklands war and iron fist ruling of Nth Ireland figure in all of this. Just curious as to how this would be explained without reverting to "She was really a man"

Ahnimus

Well this board is never short of feminist propaganda.

Put Ann Coulter in office and find out what happens.

catefrances

Austicman wrote:

So where does Maragret Thatcher the Faulklands war and iron fist ruling of Nth Ireland figure in all of this. Just curious as to how this would be explained without reverting to "She was really a man"

she was a woman filling a traditional male role.
as for northern ireland, she was merely following the oppressive rule perpetuated by men. invading the islas malvinas, twas a group decision. her advisors were men. she went with the information she had(how ever wrong that was). the imperialist urge is strong at that level. but i know what youre getting out. i could point out golda meir as an example as well.

and i think thatcher really was a man.

Austicman

catefrances wrote:

she was a woman filling a traditional male role.
as for northern ireland, she was merely following the oppressive rule perpetuated by men. invading the islas malvinas, twas a group decision. her advisors were men. she went with the information she had(how ever wrong that was). the imperialist urge is strong at that level. but i know what youre getting out. i could point out golda meir as an example as well.

and i think thatcher really was a man.

As if Thatcher listen to anyone. She was a one woman show. If this was a gender issue she would of brought about change not tighten her grip on these nations.

I'd go with the man theory

catefrances

Austicman wrote:

As if Thatcher listen to anyone. She was a one woman show. If this was a gender issue she would of brought about change not tighten her grip on these nations.

I'd go with the man theory

but tis not a gender issue. how can it be when women fill traditional male roles. the leader of a country can not have a gender. they must lead, not menstruate. plus i think gender is a social construct.

gue_barium

This really wasn't supposed to become a debate on gender. I got the Blix quote from one of the pages on the site dedicated to ridding the world of nuclear proliferation. It is one small part of the site, and I think a valid, important observation.

Now, if everyone could stop focusing on their groin area and talk about nukes...

catefrances

gue_barium wrote:

This really wasn't supposed to become a debate on gender. I got the Blix quote from one of the pages on the site dedicated to ridding the world of nuclear proliferation. It is one small part of the site, and I think a valid, important observation.

Now, if everyone could stop focusing on their groin area and talk about nukes...

how can we when weapons are clearly phallic in nature?

Austicman

catefrances wrote:

how can we when weapons are clearly phallic in nature?

And any women that look to gain power clearly wisn they had one

Where's all those mothering type's that will look after their people

catefrances

Austicman wrote:

And any women that look to gain power clearly wisn they had one

Where's all those mothering type's that will look after their people

oh A'man we hold power without the need for a penis. we're just waiting for all you men to totally screw yourselves(after you get over the homoerotic connotations of that) so we can wipe your brow, suture your wounds and show you how it should be done. plus we gave birth to you all. can't get much more powerful than giving life.

patriarchy has been in place since time immemorium. it'll take a bit of time to change such entrenched hegemony. they don't call it history for no reason.

gue_barium

I did say, please.