Super Happy Liberal Hypocrite Quiz!

Collin

I wanted to mention this a while ago, but the questions about racism are stupid.

I mean, they hired 1 black guy, maybe he hired 17 Indian guys, 20 Mexicans, 100 Chinese dudes...

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

I wanted to mention this a while ago, but the questions about racism are stupid.

I mean, they hired 1 black guy, maybe he hired 17 Indian guys, 20 Mexicans, 100 Chinese dudes...

how about Micael Moore saying anyone who lives in a white neighborhood is racist. how many african americans live in his town? thats right none.

Central Lake, MI....

97.58% White, 1.62% Native American, and 0.81% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 0.51% of the population. African American 0%.

TheVoiceInside

jlew24asu wrote:

I dont see it that way. any liberal with a brain can make the same thing for conservatives. hipocracy is on both sides. but I dont need to tell you that.

who said Libs dont do the same thing. its all a game to see who can get more people on their side. One cannot get cought up in it or esle youl end up looking as stupid as the talking heads on tv.

ryan198

farfromglorified wrote:

Not when the messenger disproves his own message.

So Ayn Rand is a bunch of fluff then? Or are women "psychologically inferior" thereby letting her off the hook for her racism, sexism, and homophobia.

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

how about Micael Moore saying anyone who lives in a white neighborhood is racist. how many african americans live in his town? thats right none.

Central Lake, MI....

97.58% White, 1.62% Native American, and 0.81% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 0.51% of the population. African American 0%.

If he said "anyone who lives in a white neighbourhood is a racist" well than he's a moron, but the quiz doesn't exactly give sources now does it.

But I'm not saying he's not a hypocrit, though. And I probably should have said "that question" instead of "question" you're right.

farfromglorified

ryan198 wrote:

So Ayn Rand is a bunch of fluff then? Or are women "psychologically inferior" thereby letting her off the hook for her racism, sexism, and homophobia.

Ayn Rand did not believe that women were "psychologically inferior". Being a very arrogant woman herself, the fact that people try to attribute such a statement to her is utterly ridiculous.

The statement to which you're probably referring is Rand's statements regarding social workers (who, at the time, were predominantly female) being "psychologically inferior" based on what she saw as the epitomy of "zero-worship".

RainDog

"An ideal woman is a man-worshiper, and an ideal man is the highest symbol of mankind." - Ayn Rand.

She also believed that a woman is by her very nature incapable of holding the office of President.

I'm just sayin'.

Tarrou

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Exactly. Like believing global warming is real.

Hey redneck go buy yourself a clue.

farfromglorified

RainDog wrote:

"An ideal woman is a man-worshiper, and an ideal man is the highest symbol of mankind." - Ayn Rand.

Rand certianly believed that men are culturally and biologically the dominant sex. Now, the validity of that view (and Rand's general theories on sexuality) may certainly be called into question. However, to twist this statement to say that Rand saw women as "psychologically inferior" or "incapable" is ridiculous.

The main character of Rand's greatest work, Atlas Shrugged, is arguably the strongest and most capable female character in modern literature. Moreover, that book was written during a time when society largely viewed women in the manner you're trying to attribute to Rand.

She also believed that a woman is by her very nature incapable of holding the office of President.

Can you at least research this before passing it on?? Here's Rand's quote:

"For a woman qua woman, the essence of femininity is
hero-worship - the desire to look up to man. "To look up"
does not mean dependence, obedience, or anything implying
inferiority. It means an intense kind of admiration; and
admiration is an emotion that can be experienced only by a
person of strong character and independent value
judgments. ... Hero worship is a demanding virtue: a woman
has to be worthy of it and of the hero she worships.
Intellectually and morally, i.e., as a human being, she has to
be his equal; then the object of her worship is specifically
his masculinity, not any human virtue she might lack. ...
Her worship is an abstract emotion for the metaphysical
concept of masculinity as such ... It means that a properly
feminine woman does not treat men as if she were their pal,
sister, mother - or leader. ... To act as the superior, the
leader, virtually the ruler of all the man she deals with,
would be an excruciating psychological torture. It would
require a total depersonalization, an utter selflessness, and
an incommunicable loneliness; she would have to suppress (or
repress) every personal aspect of her own character and
attitude; she could not be herself, i.e., a woman; ... she
would become the most unfeminine, sexless, metaphysically
inappropriate, and rationally revolting figure of all: a
matriarch. This would apply to the reigning queen of an
absolute monarchy, but it would not apply to a woman in any
field of endeavor other than politics."

-Rand "About a Woman President", 1968

Rand is saying that the office of president is beneath a woman, not the other way around.

jlew24asu

Tarrou wrote:

Hey redneck go by yourself a clue.

they let you back? you still havent learned your lesson it appears. enjoy your short stay again.

RainDog

Uh huh.

"[T]o proclaim spiritual sisterhood with lesbians... is so repulsive a set of premises from so loathsome a sense of life that an accurate commentary would require the kind of language I do not like to see in print." - Ayn Rand.

Tarrou

jlew24asu wrote:

they let you back? you still havent learned your lesson it appears. enjoy your short stay again.

Like I care if they ban me. That kid is an idiot. I mean come on dude global warming not being real. I know that at least you don't believe global warming isn't real. The science behind is pretty solid. Hey dude at least you know the bears rule.

RainDog

farfromglorified wrote:

Rand is saying that the office of president is beneath a woman, not the other way around.

No. It sounds like to me she's saying a woman - in her natural state - is incapable of being president. She would have to reorient her biological desire to worship men and therefore become a hopless, and sexless, being.

She believed that while men and women can be morally and intellectually equal, a woman's place is beneath a man's - she can be "strong," but she at heart wants only to worship a man - albeit a perfect one.

farfromglorified

RainDog wrote:

Uh huh.

"[T]o proclaim spiritual sisterhood with lesbians... is so repulsive a set of premises from so loathsome a sense of life that an accurate commentary would require the kind of language I do not like to see in print." - Ayn Rand.

Are you suggesting that Rand should "proclaim spiritual sisterhood" with lesbians, being not a lesbian herself???

Look, Rand's views on homosexuality were fluid throughout her life. She did not identify with them and often times said or at least implied that homosexuality was immoral. However, she also said that we did not know enough about the psychological factors of homosexuality to make an accurate morality judgment on it, and said that at a time when the vast majority of society labelled homosexuals as people who had chosen an immoral lifestyle, rather than being born into a different lifestyle.

The context of the her "racist, sexist, and homophobic" quotes (the above included) stem from her protesting both the feminist, homosexual and civil rights movements for demanding special privileges from the government, something Rand saw as inherently evil. She made similar statements about corporate tax breaks going to wealthy white heterosexual businessmen and politicians.

Rand's critics on these grounds simply ignore the vast majority of her writings that explicity denounce racism, sexism, and any sort of reductionism that labels an individual as something less than his or her own individual qualities.

farfromglorified

RainDog wrote:

No. It sounds like to me she's saying a woman - in her natural state - is incapable of being president. She would have to reorient her biological desire to worship men and therefore become a hopless, and sexless, being.

That's odd since "incapable" doesn't appear in the statement, nor is there any allusion to it.

Perhaps you didn't read it:

"To look up" does not mean dependence, obedience, or anything implying
inferiority....To act as the superior, the leader, virtually the ruler of all the man she deals with, would be an excruciating psychological torture. It would require a total depersonalization, an utter selflessness, and an incommunicable loneliness; she would have to suppress (or repress) every personal aspect of her own character and attitude; she could not be herself, i.e., a woman"

She believed that while men and women can be morally and intellectually equal, a woman's place is beneath a man's - she can be "strong," but she at heart wants only to worship a man - albeit a perfect one.

Try again:

does not mean dependence, obedience, or anything implying inferiority

RainDog

farfromglorified wrote:

Are you suggesting that Rand should "proclaim spiritual sisterhood" with lesbians, being not a lesbian herself???

I would just like to hear her use those words she doesn't like to see in print.

farfromglorified wrote:

Rand's critics on these grounds simply ignore the vast majority of her writings that explicity denounce racism, sexism, and any sort of reductionism that labels an individual as something less than his or her own individual qualities.

So, you're saying they were taken out of context. Huh. Funny that.

RainDog

farfromglorified wrote:

does not mean dependence, obedience, or anything implying inferiority

Ayn Rand's definition of inferiority, that is. Objectivism aside - the objective definition of inferiority is at play in Rand's quote.

I mean, they're not inferior. They just need to know their place.

farfromglorified

RainDog wrote:

I would just like to hear her use those words she doesn't like to see in print.

I'm quite sure that Rand would call any lesbian, black person, white person, man, woman or gay man who attempted to use the force of government to extract special privileges from others some very ugly names.

So, you're saying they were taken out of context. Huh. Funny that.

You tell me:

http://www.freedomkeys.com/ar-racism.htm

Do you still think Rand is a racist?

Look, Rand is anti-collectivist. Collectivism is at the heart of the feminist and racial rights movements. The statements you're highlighting are taken from her critiques of such movements.

farfromglorified

RainDog wrote:

Ayn Rand's definition of inferiority, that is. Objectivism aside - the objective definition of inferiority is at play in Rand's quote.

I mean, they're not inferior. They just need to know their place.

Where, in anything she's ever said, do you see "women just need to know their place"??? Seems kind of strange since Dagny Taggart, Rand's archetype for the highest form of femininity, described in 1957, sleeps around, is a business executive, has an utter disdain for household chores, has and desires no children, has no interest in marriage, and lives only for her self and no others......

Eliot Rosewater

jlew24asu wrote:

so how do all the chomesky ass fisters feel about him getting MILLIONS in military contracts?

Is this really even true or are you basing it upon this quiz that anyone could have thrown together to achieve their neocon agenda? Anyone have a credible outside source backing up this claim?