Super Happy Liberal Hypocrite Quiz!

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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    farfromglorified wrote:
    You cannot prove a contradiction. When Chomsky's political views are boiled down to their core, you find someone with a strong belief in freedom....but only his preferred brand of freedom. The latter contradicts the former, and it makes him no better than what he so often rails against.

    That might be true, but then I still think his message is more important. His message then would be "I have a strong belief in freedom but only in my preferred brand of freedom" which is, imo, more important than the person who says it.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Collin wrote:
    That might be true, but then I still think his message is more important. His message then would be "I have a strong belief in freedom but only in my preferred brand of freedom" which is, imo, more important than the person who says it.

    Perhaps you don't understand. You can't have a strong belief in freedom but then go on to demand your own personal brand of it for everyone. That isn't freedom -- it's just yet another version of fascism.
  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Perhaps you don't understand. You can't have a strong belief in freedom but then go on to demand your own personal brand of it for everyone. That isn't freedom -- it's just yet another version of fascism.



    well by that logic would it be correct to say that we live in a fascist state.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    well by that logic would it be correct to say that we live in a fascist state.

    It certainly would. But it would be also important to note that fascist states are not all equal.
  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    farfromglorified wrote:
    It certainly would. But it would be also important to note that fascist states are not all equal.


    its a wonderfull world, ist it. :)
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    its a wonderfull world, ist it. :)

    Yes, it is, actually.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Perhaps you don't understand. You can't have a strong belief in freedom but then go on to demand your own personal brand of it for everyone. That isn't freedom -- it's just yet another version of fascism.

    I do understand, but I don't see how this makes him more important than his message. I'd rather discuss an idea than its creator.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    so how do all the chomesky ass fisters feel about him getting MILLIONS in military contracts?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    and Michael Moore, what a douchebag.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Collin wrote:
    I do understand, but I don't see how this makes him more important than his message. I'd rather discuss an idea than its creator.

    That is his idea. That is his message. "Be free, but only in the way I want you to." It's a contradiction, even before you start looking for any hypocrisy by the man himself.

    Politically, Chomsky is just another in a long line of anarcho-syndicalists. He didn't create these ideals, he just rehashes them (albeit in a very eloquent way). He should be applauded for his linguistics, but his politics are worthy of reproach.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    So if people who hold a similar, basic political philosophy as me and turn out to be sorta-hypocrites, does that mean I should suddenly give up on my beliefs?

    Yeah, I'm convinced. Michael Moore owns stock, so I'm going conservative. And someone grab my cross and Bible - Chomsky's got a trust!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RainDog wrote:
    So if people who hold a similar, basic political philosophy as me and turn out to be sorta-hypocrites, does that mean I should suddenly give up on my beliefs?

    Yeah, I'm convinced. Michael Moore owns stock, so I'm going conservative. And someone grab my cross and Bible - Chomsky's got a trust!


    no ones asking you to go conservative. more like find some new liberals to blow.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    farfromglorified wrote:
    That is his idea. That is his message. "Be free, but only in the way I want you to." It's a contradiction, even before you start looking for any hypocrisy by the man himself.

    Well, exactly!

    Even before you start looking for any hypocrisy by the man himself, you look at the message. I think you should discuss and question his ideas before you question or discuss him, thus, imo, the message is more important than the messenger.

    I'm not saying I agree with it and I'm sorry if I was a bit ambiguous or not very eloquent. English is not my native language and it's hard sometimes to form an opinion in an other language.
    He should be applauded for his linguistics.

    Most definitely.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no ones asking you to go conservative. more like find some new liberals to blow.

    I think very few liberals have Michael Moore as an ideal role model. I also think almost very one is a bit of a hypocrit.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no ones asking you to go conservative. more like find some new liberals to blow.
    Never read Chomsky. I did see a Michael Moore movie, though.

    Articles like this are intended to make people go conservative - just as articles pointing out the hypocracy of conservatives are written in the hopes that people will go liberal. If they didn't work, then elections could conceivably be decided by totalling up birth rates, assuming a belief system based on what the parents likely taught their kids, and assigning members of Congress accordingly. Now, I know a number of articles were going around earlier in the year essentially saying this exact same thing - that conservatives were headed for a permanent majority by simply outbreading liberals. But that didn't happen.

    And that tells me that articles like this one do have an effect. People do change their minds. So, the author isn't asking me to simply stop blowing certain liberals. He's also offering his own spunk as an alternative.
  • fragileblake
    fragileblake Posts: 716
    I think we could do a pretty similar gathering of quotes from Rush and Micheal (Wiener) Savage (like him saying the tsunami wasn't a tragedy). I don't think many people are liberal or conservative because they like some of these talking heads, people just like talking heads because they confirm certain beliefs that they hold. That being said, I think some of you should use some more respectful language "find some new liberals to blow" is kind of uncalled for.
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  • TheVoiceInside
    TheVoiceInside Posts: 361
    RainDog wrote:
    Never read Chomsky. I did see a Michael Moore movie, though.

    Articles like this are intended to make people go conservative - just as articles pointing out the hypocracy of conservatives are written in the hopes that people will go liberal. If they didn't work, then elections could conceivably be decided by totalling up birth rates, assuming a belief system based on what the parents likely taught their kids, and assigning members of Congress accordingly. Now, I know a number of articles were going around earlier in the year essentially saying this exact same thing - that conservatives were headed for a permanent majority by simply outbreading liberals. But that didn't happen.

    And that tells me that articles like this one do have an effect. People do change their minds. So, the author isn't asking me to simply stop blowing certain liberals. He's also offering his own spunk as an alternative.



    No doubt that the purpose is to change liberals into cons.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    fragileblake wrote:
    I think we could do a pretty similar gathering of quotes from Rush and Micheal (Wiener) Savage (like him saying the tsunami wasn't a tragedy). I don't think many people are liberal or conservative because they like some of these talking heads, people just like talking heads because they confirm certain beliefs that they hold. That being said, I think some of you should use some more respectful language "find some new liberals to blow" is kind of uncalled for.


    hahaha too funny. have you seen some of the things said about Bush around here? like pissing on his grave, or wanting he raped and murdered? you probably just cracked a smile didnt you.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    No doubt that the purpose is to change liberals into cons.


    I dont see it that way. any liberal with a brain can make the same thing for conservatives. hipocracy is on both sides. but I dont need to tell you that.
  • fragileblake
    fragileblake Posts: 716
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hahaha too funny. have you seen some of the things said about Bush around here? like pissing on his grave, or wanting he raped and murdered? you probably just cracked a smile didnt you.

    No, actually I didn't. In the past I've been guilty of saying crap like that, but in the past couple of years I've realized that I would like to see an American political discourse thats respectful. Where we can see what we can learn from each other. And if it bothers you that people would say that about Bush (which it should) you shouldn't say it either. I know its really fun to be indignant about things, and get all pissed off and say hateful things but A. It accomplishes nothing and B. If you are a Christian, its not exactly biblical.
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