What's the fucking deal with Hillary Clinton?

Strangest Tribe

drop out already

good gawd, you've lost now go away please.

Nevermind

Its going to end up in a stalemate. Im calling it.

JP2026766

She'd be leading if they had counted the votes from Florida and Michigan in the first place. The irony of the whole thing is that the same people who are stopping her votes from counting now are the ones who clamored for recount after recount in 2000.

DriftingByTheStorm

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

She'd be leading if they had counted the votes from Florida and Michigan in the first place. The irony of the whole thing is that the same people who are stopping her votes from counting now are the ones who clamored for recount after recount in 2000.

You do realize that Obama was NOT ON THE BALLOT in Michigan, right?

???

Thats like saying, the ball game was cancelled, and you showed up, so you won!

JP2026766

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

You do realize that Obama was NOT ON THE BALLOT in Michigan, right?

???

Thats like saying, the ball game was cancelled, and you showed up, so you won!

You do realize that he CHOSE not to be on the ballot in Michigan, right?

norm

when mcgovern tells you to quit, that's a pretty sure sign you should quit

JP2026766

cutback wrote:

when mcgovern tells you to quit, that's a pretty sure sign you should quit

Well if there's anything McGovern knows about, it's losing...badly.

mca47

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

You do realize that he CHOSE not to be on the ballot in Michigan, right?

What, because he knew the rules?

Not on the ballot, and didn't campaign there...must have been a tough win for her.

Even if they let Florida in (which is much more likely than MI) she'd still have to take over 80% of the rest of the states.
Oh, and even then she'd have to take the majority of all superdelagates left. Oh, and even then she'd still have to be incredibly lucky.
Not gonna happen. Oh well, at this point she and Bill will have to be paying back a TON of their own money. They better start writing another book soon!

JP2026766

So what are folks in Michigan who voted supposed to do? Not fair to them.

Edit: I'm not a Hillary supporter or anything, I haven't the faintest idea of who I've voted for so please understand that.

DriftingByTheStorm

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

So what are folks in Michigan who voted supposed to do? Not fair to them.

Edit: I'm not a Hillary supporter or anything, I haven't the faintest idea of who I've voted for so please understand that.

They should just get over the fact that their party fucked them,
or get pissed about it.

But its not like it is their constitutional right to have their vote counted in a primary for a PARTY.

TheVoiceInside

i think shes still in it just to raise some money so she can pay back that huge debt. Come May 31 it will be over.

mca47

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

So what are folks in Michigan who voted supposed to do? Not fair to them.

Tell their representatives that they will not put up with that nonsense anymore. The rules were set waaaaaaay before they decided to break them. If the people of Michigan and Florida wanted it to be different then they'd demand that their states follow the rules so that their votes would count.

Everyone wants to get into the mix as soon as possible, but there is a reason why it's set up like it is and they chose to break those rules. If those rules weren't there then EVERY state would want to have their primaries and caucuses as early as possible. Bit of a conflict there...

Number 18

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

She'd be leading if they had counted the votes from Florida and Michigan in the first place. The irony of the whole thing is that the same people who are stopping her votes from counting now are the ones who clamored for recount after recount in 2000.

Actually, even if you gave her the delegates she wanted in a way that favors her most, she'd still be losing.

brain of c

i voted for a girl.



sue me.

SundaySilence

Strangest Tribe wrote:

drop out already

good gawd, you've lost now go away please.

It doesn't make sense to quit when there's only two states left? She's not mathematically eliminated yet. They still play the bottom of the ninth inning even if the team is losing by a dozen runs. And this is more important than a baseball game. Let Montana and South Dakota express themselves. And also Puerto Rico, let them have some excitement. How long has this election cycle been? One more week doesn't hurt. The clock will run out soon enough.

unsung

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

So what are folks in Michigan who voted supposed to do? Not fair to them.

Vote for a non-Dem. Punish the DNC back for saying your vote doesn't count. Make it count.

Strangest Tribe

SundaySilence wrote:

It doesn't make sense to quit when there's only two states left? She's not mathematically eliminated yet. They still play the bottom of the ninth inning even if the team is losing by a dozen runs. And this is more important than a baseball game. Let Montana and South Dakota express themselves. And also Puerto Rico, let them have some excitement. How long has this election cycle been? One more week doesn't hurt. The clock will run out soon enough.

it's not a game.

it's selfishness to continue and not start backing Obama. she's hurting the democrat party.

Florida and Michigan's votes would still not give Hillary enough if counted, in Michigan she almost lost to uncommited voters. Hillary didn't win by enough of a margin in either state to make up the ground she is losing by.


It's over... she should do the right thing

RainDog

unsung wrote:

Vote for a non-Dem. Punish the DNC back for saying your vote doesn't count. Make it count.

Judging by your sig, I imagine you have other motives for this post.

RainDog

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

So what are folks in Michigan who voted supposed to do? Not fair to them.

Edit: I'm not a Hillary supporter or anything, I haven't the faintest idea of who I've voted for so please understand that.

What about the states that followed the rules? Wouldn't it be unfair to the voters in the other 48 states if Florida and Michigan were rewarded?

According to DNC chair Dean, the delegation will be seated; the argument is over how. If the Dems let them get what they want, full delegations as voted, then look for the 2012 primary to begin the third week of June - two weeks after the last 2008 primary - as every state in the union begins thinking "I gotta get me some of that sweet, sweet attention." My guess is the MI delegates will be split in Hillary's favor (69-59 or something like that) and the Florida delegates will be halved - but only after the nomination is decided. No one (except for the Clintons) wants the nomination decided by Stalin-esc elections in rule breaking states run by self-important politicians largely made up by the opposing party.

The irony is, if FL and MI followed the rules, their delegates would have had a huge impact this season.

Strangest Tribe

RainDog wrote:

What about the states that followed the rules? Wouldn't it be unfair to the voters in the other 48 states if Florida and Michigan were rewarded?

According to DNC chair Dean, the delegation will be seated; the argument is over how. If the Dems let them get what they want, full delegations as voted, then look for the 2012 primary to begin the third week of June - two weeks after the last 2008 primary - as every state in the union begins thinking "I gotta get me some of that sweet, sweet attention." My guess is the MI delegates will be split in Hillary's favor (69-59 or something like that) and the Florida delegates will be halved - but only after the nomination is decided. No one (except for the Clintons) wants the nomination decided by Stalin-esc elections in rule breaking states run by self-important politicians largely made up by the opposing party.

The irony is, if FL and MI followed the rules, their delegates would have had a huge impact this season.

if Florida's delegates counted it would almost seal the deal for Obama.

RainDog

SundaySilence wrote:

It doesn't make sense to quit when there's only two states left? She's not mathematically eliminated yet. They still play the bottom of the ninth inning even if the team is losing by a dozen runs. And this is more important than a baseball game. Let Montana and South Dakota express themselves. And also Puerto Rico, let them have some excitement. How long has this election cycle been? One more week doesn't hurt. The clock will run out soon enough.

That's pretty much how I feel about the whole thing. If she dropped out now, it would seem like she was forced to. Then you would have the question of whether Obama legitimately won the nomination, not to mention the millions of Clinton voters who would feel slighted.

She's been mathmatically eliminated as far as elected delegates are concerned; and nearly so in terms of superdelegates. Let the last couple of states vote, have the supers pick shortly thereafter, and present the final numbers legitimizing the Obama nomination. Then, only the irrational diehards screamming "no fair" will be left to complain.

If she tries to take it to the convention, however, then fuck her. Force her out and to hell with her supporters. Even if it means losing their votes and the '08 election, the party itself would be better for it. No need for these kinds of megalomaniacs in control.