What's the fucking deal with Hillary Clinton?
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drop out already
good gawd, you've lost now go away please.
good gawd, you've lost now go away please.
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Mansfield II '08
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You do realize that Obama was NOT ON THE BALLOT in Michigan, right?
???
Thats like saying, the ball game was cancelled, and you showed up, so you won!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
You do realize that he CHOSE not to be on the ballot in Michigan, right?
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Well if there's anything McGovern knows about, it's losing...badly.
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What, because he knew the rules?
Not on the ballot, and didn't campaign there...must have been a tough win for her.
Even if they let Florida in (which is much more likely than MI) she'd still have to take over 80% of the rest of the states.
Oh, and even then she'd have to take the majority of all superdelagates left. Oh, and even then she'd still have to be incredibly lucky.
Not gonna happen. Oh well, at this point she and Bill will have to be paying back a TON of their own money. They better start writing another book soon!
Edit: I'm not a Hillary supporter or anything, I haven't the faintest idea of who I've voted for so please understand that.
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They should just get over the fact that their party fucked them,
or get pissed about it.
But its not like it is their constitutional right to have their vote counted in a primary for a PARTY.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Tell their representatives that they will not put up with that nonsense anymore. The rules were set waaaaaaay before they decided to break them. If the people of Michigan and Florida wanted it to be different then they'd demand that their states follow the rules so that their votes would count.
Everyone wants to get into the mix as soon as possible, but there is a reason why it's set up like it is and they chose to break those rules. If those rules weren't there then EVERY state would want to have their primaries and caucuses as early as possible. Bit of a conflict there...
Actually, even if you gave her the delegates she wanted in a way that favors her most, she'd still be losing.
sue me.
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It doesn't make sense to quit when there's only two states left? She's not mathematically eliminated yet. They still play the bottom of the ninth inning even if the team is losing by a dozen runs. And this is more important than a baseball game. Let Montana and South Dakota express themselves. And also Puerto Rico, let them have some excitement. How long has this election cycle been? One more week doesn't hurt. The clock will run out soon enough.
Vote for a non-Dem. Punish the DNC back for saying your vote doesn't count. Make it count.
it's not a game.
it's selfishness to continue and not start backing Obama. she's hurting the democrat party.
Florida and Michigan's votes would still not give Hillary enough if counted, in Michigan she almost lost to uncommited voters. Hillary didn't win by enough of a margin in either state to make up the ground she is losing by.
It's over... she should do the right thing
According to DNC chair Dean, the delegation will be seated; the argument is over how. If the Dems let them get what they want, full delegations as voted, then look for the 2012 primary to begin the third week of June - two weeks after the last 2008 primary - as every state in the union begins thinking "I gotta get me some of that sweet, sweet attention." My guess is the MI delegates will be split in Hillary's favor (69-59 or something like that) and the Florida delegates will be halved - but only after the nomination is decided. No one (except for the Clintons) wants the nomination decided by Stalin-esc elections in rule breaking states run by self-important politicians largely made up by the opposing party.
The irony is, if FL and MI followed the rules, their delegates would have had a huge impact this season.
if Florida's delegates counted it would almost seal the deal for Obama.
She's been mathmatically eliminated as far as elected delegates are concerned; and nearly so in terms of superdelegates. Let the last couple of states vote, have the supers pick shortly thereafter, and present the final numbers legitimizing the Obama nomination. Then, only the irrational diehards screamming "no fair" will be left to complain.
If she tries to take it to the convention, however, then fuck her. Force her out and to hell with her supporters. Even if it means losing their votes and the '08 election, the party itself would be better for it. No need for these kinds of megalomaniacs in control.
I always roll my eyes at any statement that starts out "The same people who were...", because it's usually an extremely over-simplified generalization.
But on a more specific note, the same people (Clinton and her camp) who at the beginning agreed with and supported not allowing the Michigan and Florida votes to count, are now clamoring for them to count.
Yeah... screw the rules that the Michigan & Florida democratic party knowingly and willingly violated. If these past 8 years have shown us anything, it's that accountability is pretty much gone in this country.
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Exactly. :rolleyes: And while you're at it, cut off your nose to spite your face. :rolleyes:.
Yes. And four years from now there would be absolute chaos with states deciding they will vote whenever the hell they want. Fuck the rules. They aren't binding anyway, right?
Furthermore, with all the disenfranchisement talk about those people in FL an MI who voted, what about all the others who would have vote, who would have loved to vote, but didn't because they were told it wouldn't matter anyway? What about them? By counting the results exactly as they stand, don't you, actually, disenfranchise those voters not once, but twice?
The right thing is a matter of perspective. I wish Al Gore had been more like her in 2000. I don't buy the narrative that she is hurting the Democratic party. At this point it is good for democrats in Montana, Dakota and Puerto Rico to participate.
My overall take is that this primary has been good for the Democratic party, though I tend to be a little contrarian.
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As soon as the last states vote, the superdelegates will fall in line, and she will exit politely.
And he who forgets, will be destined to remember...
The superdelegates need to grow some and put a stop to this mess and unite the party for its upcoming battle for the White House.
More likely, if the roles were reversed, Obama would have dropped out - or been forced out - after losing 11 primaries in a row after Super Tuesday. If he didn't and kept going with a 20 million dollar debt and a desire to attack the party and presumptive nominee over the very rules he agreed to, he probably wouldn't even be able to keep his seat in Illinois.
But Hillary's a Clinton and the Clintons own the party. Of course, they're also one of the main reasons I never joined the Democrats, but whaddya gonna do? I'm sure the party needs them more than me.
you dont know who you voted for?