What's the fucking deal with Hillary Clinton?

RainDog

Strangest Tribe wrote:

if Florida's delegates counted it would almost seal the deal for Obama.

Not necessarily. If Florida's delegates counted, the winning number would increase from 2025 to, I believe, 2118.

blackredyellow

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

She'd be leading if they had counted the votes from Florida and Michigan in the first place. The irony of the whole thing is that the same people who are stopping her votes from counting now are the ones who clamored for recount after recount in 2000.

I always roll my eyes at any statement that starts out "The same people who were...", because it's usually an extremely over-simplified generalization.

But on a more specific note, the same people (Clinton and her camp) who at the beginning agreed with and supported not allowing the Michigan and Florida votes to count, are now clamoring for them to count.

unsung wrote:

Vote for a non-Dem. Punish the DNC back for saying your vote doesn't count. Make it count.

Yeah... screw the rules that the Michigan & Florida democratic party knowingly and willingly violated. If these past 8 years have shown us anything, it's that accountability is pretty much gone in this country.

cornnifer

unsung wrote:

Vote for a non-Dem. Punish the DNC back for saying your vote doesn't count. Make it count.

Exactly. :rolleyes: And while you're at it, cut off your nose to spite your face. :rolleyes:.

cornnifer

RainDog wrote:

What about the states that followed the rules? Wouldn't it be unfair to the voters in the other 48 states if Florida and Michigan were rewarded?

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Yes. And four years from now there would be absolute chaos with states deciding they will vote whenever the hell they want. Fuck the rules. They aren't binding anyway, right?
Furthermore, with all the disenfranchisement talk about those people in FL an MI who voted, what about all the others who would have vote, who would have loved to vote, but didn't because they were told it wouldn't matter anyway? What about them? By counting the results exactly as they stand, don't you, actually, disenfranchise those voters not once, but twice?

SundaySilence

Strangest Tribe wrote:

it's not a game.

it's selfishness to continue and not start backing Obama. she's hurting the democrat party.

Florida and Michigan's votes would still not give Hillary enough if counted, in Michigan she almost lost to uncommited voters. Hillary didn't win by enough of a margin in either state to make up the ground she is losing by.


It's over... she should do the right thing

The right thing is a matter of perspective. I wish Al Gore had been more like her in 2000. I don't buy the narrative that she is hurting the Democratic party. At this point it is good for democrats in Montana, Dakota and Puerto Rico to participate.

My overall take is that this primary has been good for the Democratic party, though I tend to be a little contrarian.

JP2026766

It's just laughable how ridiculous some people can be. We always want the votes to count...(when it suits our political need at that time). If this same situation were happening with Obama, people would be up in arms yelling for the votes to count. Blows my mind.

TDMize15

After NC/ IN she knew that she had lost. If you haven't noticed, she is no longer being negative and no longer attacking Obama. Because she realizes that she has lost, but she is just going to let the remaining states vote because they are registering record numbers of Democrats in ever state they go to. Her being in still, as long as she is not being negative, is a good thing for the Democrats.

As soon as the last states vote, the superdelegates will fall in line, and she will exit politely.

puremagic

If it were anyone but Obama, Hilary would have conceded the race. Her EGO wouldn't let her quit, she wants the party to make her get out so she can save face for losing to a black person. That goes to show you how much she gives a damn about the democratic party or its voters.

The superdelegates need to grow some and put a stop to this mess and unite the party for its upcoming battle for the White House.

RainDog

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

It's just laughable how ridiculous some people can be. We always want the votes to count...(when it suits our political need at that time). If this same situation were happening with Obama, people would be up in arms yelling for the votes to count. Blows my mind.

And conservative/Hillary strawmen are quite ridiculous themselves.

More likely, if the roles were reversed, Obama would have dropped out - or been forced out - after losing 11 primaries in a row after Super Tuesday. If he didn't and kept going with a 20 million dollar debt and a desire to attack the party and presumptive nominee over the very rules he agreed to, he probably wouldn't even be able to keep his seat in Illinois.

But Hillary's a Clinton and the Clintons own the party. Of course, they're also one of the main reasons I never joined the Democrats, but whaddya gonna do? I'm sure the party needs them more than me.

my2hands

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

I haven't the faintest idea of who I've voted for so please understand that.

you dont know who you voted for?

blackredyellow

ThrowUrArmsAroundMe wrote:

It's just laughable how ridiculous some people can be. We always want the votes to count...(when it suits our political need at that time). If this same situation were happening with Obama, people would be up in arms yelling for the votes to count. Blows my mind.

So it's ok? If Obama supporters would be doing the same thing, then they would be just as wrong.

Strangest Tribe

Don't Know Myself wrote:

After NC/ IN she knew that she had lost. If you haven't noticed, she is no longer being negative and no longer attacking Obama. Because she realizes that she has lost, but she is just going to let the remaining states vote because they are registering record numbers of Democrats in ever state they go to. Her being in still, as long as she is not being negative, is a good thing for the Democrats.

As soon as the last states vote, the superdelegates will fall in line, and she will exit politely.

good point,

you are wise

my2hands

Don't Know Myself wrote:

After NC/ IN she knew that she had lost. If you haven't noticed, she is no longer being negative and no longer attacking Obama. Because she realizes that she has lost, but she is just going to let the remaining states vote because they are registering record numbers of Democrats in ever state they go to. Her being in still, as long as she is not being negative, is a good thing for the Democrats.

As soon as the last states vote, the superdelegates will fall in line, and she will exit politely.

i believe this is correct... they also have to reunify the party which is what they are trying to do by her calming down and not going psycho anymore

blackredyellow

Don't Know Myself wrote:

After NC/ IN she knew that she had lost. If you haven't noticed, she is no longer being negative and no longer attacking Obama. Because she realizes that she has lost, but she is just going to let the remaining states vote because they are registering record numbers of Democrats in ever state they go to. Her being in still, as long as she is not being negative, is a good thing for the Democrats.

As soon as the last states vote, the superdelegates will fall in line, and she will exit politely.

I tend to agree, but the problem is that a lot of her supporters don't know that. I have an annoying "friend" who sends me all sorts of e-mail forwards. I know he is a diehard Clinton supporter, and he is still sending all that anti-Obama crap out.

cornnifer

Don't Know Myself wrote:

After NC/ IN she knew that she had lost. If you haven't noticed, she is no longer being negative and no longer attacking Obama. Because she realizes that she has lost, but she is just going to let the remaining states vote because they are registering record numbers of Democrats in ever state they go to. Her being in still, as long as she is not being negative, is a good thing for the Democrats.

As soon as the last states vote, the superdelegates will fall in line, and she will exit politely.

This i'm not so sure about. She isn't being negative because it hasn't done her any good and has, in fact, hurt her. Se will never exit politely or quietly. Not now, not on June 4, not ever. Thats why she's out screaming some laughable bullshit about how the FL and MI situation is comparable to the abolitionist movement, the civil rights movement and black and female suffrage movements. Its why she has supporters storming DC.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/22/clinton-supporters-to-swarm-dc-over-florida-and-michigan/#comments

You've got to be kidding me. This isn't the civil rights movement and hilary clinton is no Dr. King.
At this point i see no reason to prolong this thing for the sake of the party when she is so determined to tear it apart. For the sake of the party they need to step in and call this thing right now, no matter how pissed she gets. Fuck her.

The Waiting Trophy Man

Hillary is gonna go kicking and screaming.......