A Gallon of Gas in Saudi Arabia

Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
is only .45 cents....

That's right!!!!


.45 cents per gallon.

yeah, supply and demand and shortages and oil fields gone dry and we need to drill Alaska.... it's all Bullshit

just Bullshit
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  • If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Are you suggesting that you have a right to the oil sitting underneath land that is not yours?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Are you suggesting that you have a right to the oil sitting underneath land that is not yours?


    yeah, it's called the Bush Doctrine ;)
  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    You people are a bunch of wackos. First of all the oil is THERE in the Gulf. It is like fuckin water to us. Also, we are now competing with China and India and their expanding economies for the oil that there is. Plus, if the environ-nazis would allow more refineraries to be built it would increase the supply of gas. But you also can't have it both ways. You want people to drive less but you want gas to be cheap. If gas is cheap people are going to drive more. There is no INCENTIVE for them to change their behavior.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    is only .45 cents....

    That's right!!!!


    .45 cents per gallon.

    yeah, supply and demand and shortages and oil fields gone dry and we need to drill Alaska.... it's all Bullshit

    just Bullshit

    Well there are a few factors you are not taking into consideration.

    1. Transportation costs. Saudi Arabia does not have to incur the transportation costs we do in order to get their oil.

    2. Supply and Demand. Saudi Arabia does not consume even remotely near the amount of oil we do per capita. So their supply far out weighs their demand.
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  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    mammasan wrote:
    Well there are a few factors you are not taking into consideration.

    1. Transportation costs. Saudi Arabia does not have to incur the transportation costs we do in order to get their oil.

    2. Supply and Demand. Saudi Arabia does not consume even remotely near the amount of oil we do per capita. So their supply far out weighs their demand.
    Finally another voice of reason in here!!! (That is not BS, either).
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    my2hands wrote:
    yeah, it's called the Bush Doctrine ;)

    Yep...it's called a lot of things.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    kh65 wrote:
    You people are a bunch of wackos. First of all the oil is THERE in the Gulf. It is like fuckin water to us. Also, we are now competing with China and India and their expanding economies for the oil that there is. Plus, if the environ-nazis would allow more refineraries to be built it would increase the supply of gas. But you also can't have it both ways. You want people to drive less but you want gas to be cheap. If gas is cheap people are going to drive more. There is no INCENTIVE for them to change their behavior.
    ...
    I vote for building a refinery in your backyard.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    yeah, it's about 70-80 cents a gallon in Egypt.
  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I vote for building a refinery in your backyard.
    Done. But then I don't drive. (But everything I buy does.)
    "If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room."

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  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    mammasan wrote:
    Well there are a few factors you are not taking into consideration.

    1. Transportation costs. Saudi Arabia does not have to incur the transportation costs we do in order to get their oil.

    2. Supply and Demand. Saudi Arabia does not consume even remotely near the amount of oil we do per capita. So their supply far out weighs their demand.

    I understand that.

    It's even cheaper in Venezuela.

    It's only about $1.50 in the former Soviet Union.


    Why isn't it cheaper in Texas or Alaska???
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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    mammasan wrote:
    Well there are a few factors you are not taking into consideration.

    1. Transportation costs. Saudi Arabia does not have to incur the transportation costs we do in order to get their oil.

    2. Supply and Demand. Saudi Arabia does not consume even remotely near the amount of oil we do per capita. So their supply far out weighs their demand.


    Plus what do you think the average family income is in Saudi Arabia? I would bet it is probably a lot less than that for a family in the US. According to a link I found minimum wage for actual Saudi Citizens is about 400 bucks a month. Even less for non-citizen workers. If people are only making that much money and you charge them 4-5 bucks a gallon they won't sell anything.
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Are you suggesting that you have a right to the oil sitting underneath land that is not yours?

    Iraq
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I understand that.

    It's even cheaper in Venezuela.

    It's only about $1.50 in the former Soviet Union.


    Why isn't it cheaper in Texas or Alaska???

    Supply and demand. Our demand for oil, per capita, is far greater than any of the countries you mentioned. Venezuela and Russia produce their own oil so again the cost of transportation for them is far less than for us. If you want an accurate picture you need to compare what we pay to what a country like China pays.
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  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    Plus what do you think the average family income is in Saudi Arabia? I would bet it is probably a lot less than that for a family in the US. According to a link I found minimum wage for actual Saudi Citizens is about 400 bucks a month. Even less for non-citizen workers. If people are only making that much money and you charge them 4-5 bucks a gallon they won't sell anything.
    Huh? The price something costs has no corollary with how much someone makes.
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    kh65 wrote:
    You people are a bunch of wackos. First of all the oil is THERE in the Gulf. It is like fuckin water to us. Also, we are now competing with China and India and their expanding economies for the oil that there is. Plus, if the environ-nazis would allow more refineraries to be built it would increase the supply of gas. But you also can't have it both ways. You want people to drive less but you want gas to be cheap. If gas is cheap people are going to drive more. There is no INCENTIVE for them to change their behavior.

    "Environazis" have nothing to do with not allowing refineries to be built. It hasn't gotten that far because nobody wants another refinery built in their back yard. Also, most "Environazis" would probably argue that we shouldn't still be relying on oil to power our cars in the first place. Or at the very least we should have done more to reduce our need for oil by insisting on more fuel efficient vehicles.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Iraq

    That's a nation, not an answer to my question.
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    How much does it cost to get the gas to us? Can't we just fill 'er up in Saudi at .45 per gallon and drive it home?
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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    kh65 wrote:
    Huh? The price something costs has no corollary with how much someone makes.

    Of course it does. Things cost more in areas where people make more money because the sellers know there customers have more money. If people in an area aren't making much money sellers have to drop their prices or they won't be able to sell anything. If everyone in a town is only making a dollar a month, no landlord can charge $100 a month rent or none of them will make any money.
  • kh65kh65 Posts: 946
    Of course it does. Things cost more in areas where people make more money because the sellers know there customers have more money. If people in an area aren't making much money sellers have to drop their prices or they won't be able to sell anything. If everyone in a town is only making a dollar a month, no landlord can charge $100 a month rent or none of them will make any money.
    So, your salary has gone up to match the recent increase in fuel and food?
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  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    That's a nation, not an answer to my question.

    Your question was a suggestion about oil rights?

    My question is who owns the oil and it's rights in Iraq?

    Taxpayers are shelling out billions per week to guard whose oil?

    Economically and fiscally speaking, I understand the points being made here.

    What I'm not sure I understand is the disparity in oil prices globally.

    If it cost X number of $ to drill, remove and refine the oil ...then oil rich
    nations certainly pay more than X for their gasoline. So in Saudi Arabia what is the actual cost of crude? Who is drilling it? Its not the Chinese or the Indians right? So how is it by my calculations 20X by the time it gets here?
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Your question was a suggestion about oil rights?

    My question was whether or not you think you have a right to oil in another nation. Do you?

    For the record, gas in Saudi Arabia is cheap because of a) low domestic demand b) high domestic supply c) subsidized pricing. Saudi Arabia has a nationalized oil company and nationalized refinery. Prices there are not set by the market, but rather by Saudi Aramco, the state-owned energy company. Saudi Aramco could effectively give away gas in Saudi Arabia if it wanted to without much effect.
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    My question was whether or not you think you have a right to oil in another nation. Do you?

    For the record, gas in Saudi Arabia is cheap because of a) low domestic demand b) high domestic supply c) subsidized pricing. Saudi Arabia has a nationalized oil company and nationalized refinery. Prices there are not set by the market, but rather by Saudi Aramco, the state-owned energy company. Saudi Aramco could effectively give away gas in Saudi Arabia if it wanted to without much effect.


    For the record that would mean it's not a publically available company right?

    So the richest people in saudi arabia have connections with the government?
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    How much does it cost to get the gas to us? Can't we just fill 'er up in Saudi at .45 per gallon and drive it home?

    good question, deals with supply, from pulling it out of the ground to quality of what they get, to tanker and shipping costs, to refinery, to special blend, to additional transit costs... etc.

    The further it is away, the more expensive it is due to transit costs... tarriffs etc.

    As per the other question, yes US troops are guarding Iraqui oil.
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  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    Goddammit it's like being in bible school and asking about the dinosaurs or how the fuck did Noah build an ark so big? It's always the same rhetoric.


    If US based petroleum companies are drilling, transporting and refining Mid-East oil the Saudis can afford to sell it at .45 cents per gallon. IF the demand coming from China and India exceeds the supply and those countries are forcing our own US companies to raise gas prices internationally doesn't that hurt our dollar even more?

    Essentially, we can only point the finger at ourselves.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    For the record that would mean it's not a publically available company right?

    Saudi Aramco is not a publicly traded firm, no.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Aramco
    So the richest people in saudi arabia have connections with the government?

    LOL...the richest people in Saudi Arabia are the government.
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    My question was whether or not you think you have a right to oil in another nation. Do you?
    .

    No, I don't have a right to anyone else's oil.

    But, when my own country has it's hands elbow deep in my pockets with a war overseas and a lot of coin is being dropped, I have a right to honest answers. When the answers are malodorous... Such as why we are there fighting... Why are we hurting ourselves.... Why are the oil companies turning billions of profits....

    And, it's the same shit answers over and over... Like supply and demand... And weak economically....

    C'mon someone's fucking all the pretties at this party and the rest of us are footing the bill.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    No, I don't have a right to anyone else's oil.

    But, when my own country has it's hands elbow deep in my pockets with a war overseas and a lot of coin is being dropped, I have a right to honest answers. When the answers are malodorous... Such as why we are there fighting... Why are we hurting ourselves.... Why are the oil companies turning billions of profits....

    And, it's the same shit answers over and over... Like supply and demand... And weak economically....

    C'mon someone's fucking all the pretties at this party and the rest of us are footing the bill.

    We are not 'there fighting' if by there you mean Saudi Arabia. We are fighting in Iraq and hurting ourselves because of this country's stupidity and fear following 9/11.

    The oil companies are turning billions in profits largely because of increased demand for their products vis a vis limited or threatened supplies of our consumables created from their products. This isn't complicated in the least bit.

    Just because answers aren't what you want them to be doesn't mean they are "malodorous".

    The sad thing is that you are claiming to be "looking for answers" when in fact you already have created those answers in your head, regardless of reality.
  • Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    We are not 'there fighting' if by there you mean Saudi Arabia. We are fighting in Iraq and hurting ourselves because of this country's stupidity and fear following 9/11.

    The oil companies are turning billions in profits largely because of increased demand for their products vis a vis limited or threatened supplies of our consumables created from their products. This isn't complicated in the least bit.

    Just because answers aren't what you want them to be doesn't mean they are "malodorous".

    The sad thing is that you are claiming to be "looking for answers" when in fact you already have created those answers in your head, regardless of reality.

    No, I wish I had the answers. But I don't think you do either...

    Those same answers came from the ENRON camp a few years ago.

    Yep
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    It's even cheaper in Venezuela.

    It's cheaper than water!

    Don't drill Alaska!
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