Why doesn't anyone blame the SUN for global warming?

Pearl Jam and toast

Global Warming refers to what we're doing to accelerate what the sun and Earth's natural gases do (greenhouse effect). That's why.

SoonForgotten2

Echo27 wrote:

That's what I'm saying...that big fiery orb has been burning us slowly for years (sunscreen anyone?). I'm sure if we bring this new evidence to the president he'll want to blow it out of the sky.

Failing to succeed that, he'll then blow up the moon and claim that he's not really concerned about the sun anyway.

BogoEN

sourdough wrote:

Please people, ozone has virtually nothing to do with climate change. Ozone is completely different. Global warming has to do with CO2 and other greenhouse gasses (ie methane) and the hole in the ozone layer has to do with CFC's which has been largely eliminated and the ozone is doing quite nicely recovering since. The hole in the ozone layer increases our exposure to UV radiation linked to skin cancer-not climate change. CO2 etc increases the greenhouse effect which traps insolation (incoming solar radiation) which heats up our planet. Completely different all together.

For those who are denying that Climate change is occurring, do you also deny the existence of the greenhouse effect? I don't see how it is logically possible to deny human induced climate change without denying the legitimacy of the green house effect, the fact that we are spewing billions of tons of CO2 and methane into the atmosphere while concurrently removing carbon sinks (ie forests) and the fact that the atmosphere itself is very, very thin and therefore vulnerable.

I'm no climate expert, so you could very well be right, but I was under the impression that the ozone layer was synonymous with the atmosphere (or is it just part of it? But also, isn't it CO3, Carbon Monoxide that's the real problem, while CO2 is not quite as much? I should read more about it i suppose.
Stone just did that interview, i MISSED it. But everyone should read it. He does mention that deforestation is a major component to global warming and climate change. It's amazing we still do as much of it as we do.

onelongsong

the sun is blamed for global warming; ie: the greenhouse effect. we have the greenhouse effect because pollution has degridated the atmosphere to the point that the earth cannot protect itself against the suns bad effects.
we've all seen proof of the worlds ice melting and it's fact that it's too late to correct it.
what about what they don't tell us? like the melting of the ice will dilute the salt content of the oceans killing a great number of marine life. the earths ice will be melted within the next decade and that ice helps with cooling. without it; warming will be excelerated.

onelongsong

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

Cause the sun don't drive a hummer.

so i pulled up next to a honda at a gas station. when finished; the kid drove off with a cloud of balck and blue smoke following him down the road. it reminded me of the hummer thread and thought: give that kid a hummer; it burns cleaner.

true story.

Vedderlution_Baby

onelongsong wrote:

so i pulled up next to a honda at a gas station. when finished; the kid drove off with a cloud of balck and blue smoke following him down the road. it reminded me of the hummer thread and thought: give that kid a hummer; it burns cleaner.

true story.

I said that comment mostly as a joke

JOEJOEJOE

acroyear wrote:

Some people have been brainwashed into thinking the evil USA and its wealthy, SUV driving, NEOCONS are to blame for global warming. No one wants to take in account the sun and it's solar flares, etc.

same reason you don't blame the tiger (the sun) when he mauls someone after he escaped from his cage...you blame the negligent zookeeper (those causing the hole in the ozone layer).

onelongsong

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

I said that comment mostly as a joke

i know that. but it reminded me of that thread and the honda. it was not directed at you or your comment.

Collin

Let's nuke the sun already.

onelongsong

Collin wrote:

Let's nuke the sun already.

now there's an intelligent and well thought out answer to the problem.

world

I actually heard that if we create enough smog, it will actually help protect us against the sun. It will form another layer in the atmospere to protect us against the evil sun rays.

onelongsong

world wrote:

I actually heard that if we create enough smog, it will actually help protect us against the sun. It will form another layer in the atmospere to protect us against the evil sun rays.

that theory blocks out the sun and causes another ice age. see nuclear winter.

sourdough

world wrote:

I actually heard that if we create enough smog, it will actually help protect us against the sun. It will form another layer in the atmospere to protect us against the evil sun rays.

Good plan. Increase smog. No problems could come of this but I guess we haven't thought yet about what smog is made of apparently.

For BogoEn, yes, the ozone is part of the atmosphere. It is one layer of the atmosphere that blocks out ultraviolet radiation that causes skin cancer. However, it has only an incidental effect on temperature as it is not a greenhouse gas. I think you are thinking of methane rather than CO3. Methane is big problem that is not discussed much. It is in far less quantity than CO2, but it is 3 times more efficient at trapping insolation so you don't need as much to have a larger effect. The problem with methane is that cow production and other livestock have increased the amount of methane output. Oddly enough, a huge rise in termites due to human activity is also a huge source of methane. A single termite colony can produce a large amount of methane, but cows are the main culprit. Maybe we should nuke cattle country.

onelongsong

sourdough wrote:

Good plan. Increase smog. No problems could come of this but I guess we haven't thought yet about what smog is made of apparently.

For BogoEn, yes, the ozone is part of the atmosphere. It is one layer of the atmosphere that blocks out ultraviolet radiation that causes skin cancer. However, it has only an incidental effect on temperature as it is not a greenhouse gas. I think you are thinking of methane rather than CO3. Methane is big problem that is not discussed much. It is in far less quantity than CO2, but it is 3 times more efficient at trapping insolation so you don't need as much to have a larger effect. The problem with methane is that cow production and other livestock have increased the amount of methane output. Oddly enough, a huge rise in termites due to human activity is also a huge source of methane. A single termite colony can produce a large amount of methane, but cows are the main culprit. Maybe we should nuke cattle country.

decomposition creates methane. cows produce CO2 like any other animal. there are frozen pockets of methane all over the planet and 4 more degrees of warming will melt them.
nuke all the cows; i produce and sell buffalo meat!

Mookie Baylock

onelongsong wrote:

that theory blocks out the sun and causes another ice age. see nuclear winter.

I've read that though as we are becoming more conciencious, the smog levels from our society are decreasing thought, while the other greenhouse gases are still increasing. As a result more heat gets in, less gets out, equals even more global warming.

onelongsong

Mookie Baylock wrote:

I've read that though as we are becoming more conciencious, the smog levels from our society are decreasing thought, while the other greenhouse gases are still increasing. As a result more heat gets in, less gets out, equals even more global warming.

i've been saying it's too late to correct the problem for a long time now.
CO2 is up. from decomposition of our garbage and destruction of plant life (forests mostly.)

RockinInCanada

world wrote:

I actually heard that if we create enough smog, it will actually help protect us against the sun. It will form another layer in the atmospere to protect us against the evil sun rays.

Do you know what smog is...its nitrogen oxides....very bad for your health....I know its not your idea but it is absurd at best.....

Mookie Baylock

It think we could reverse it, but it would take a major shift in our lifestyles and its not gonna happen as long as there's money to be made