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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jeffbr wrote:
    I know these things, I'm just confused by your previous post, then. I thought you were trying to explain Mars' current warming trend compared with the Earth's by pointing to CO2.


    NASA already explained it!

    why is it warmer today than it was this day in December????

    NASA said Mars has seasonal changes just like we do, and this is proven by changes in the ice at different times...so, it seems rather obvious it is much warmer today b/c the earth is moving closer to the sun...if mars behaves in the same way....you see the obviousness?

    if we're increasing at the same rate as a planet that has that much more co2, maybe it has something to do w/ the rate at which WE put co2 in OUR atmosphere
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  • Stereotype......

    There is nothing wrong with people choosing to use energy that reduces consumption of our planets resources. I for one recycle and use energy that comes from a windfarm.

    But my point is that politicians implementing global warming policies are not doing so because they are afraid that we are leading the planet down a path to self destruction. This is just another fear mongering plan to keep the population scared. When people are scared they will not question policies.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Stereotype......

    There is nothing wrong with people choosing to use energy that reduces consumption of our planets resources. I for one recycle and use energy that comes from a windfarm.

    But my point is that politicians implementing global warming policies are not doing so because they are afraid that we are leading the planet down a path to self destruction. This is just another fear mongering plan to keep the population scared. When people are scared they will not question policies.
    I don't think we can know for sure one person's intent from the next. Some people may be earnest; others not so much. We can however feel our own fearful feelings, and let them go, finding where there might be valid reason for concern, and most importantly allowing us true discernment of the issues, no matter who is perpetuating what agenda.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/13gore.html?ex=1331438400&en=2df9d6e7a5aa6ed6&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

    Let's just see who is right:

    "It estimated that the world’s seas in this century would rise a maximum of 23 inches — down from earlier estimates. Mr. Gore, citing no particular time frame, envisions rises of up to 20 feet and depicts parts of New York, Florida and other heavily populated areas as sinking beneath the waves, implying, at least visually, that inundation is imminent."

    Personally, I don't think we have nearly enough info the subject to make a judgement yet. I mean we have infinitely more data on the current weather and weathermen can't predict the weather 5 days in advance. On the otherhand we have barely a thimble full of knowledge of the 4.5 billion year old earth and we're going to believe that predictions being made by scientists are going to be accurate a hundred years in advance.

    Count me as a skeptic if you will, but I'm not a believer in the global warming catastrophe. That said I think we shouldn't wantonly waste energy and resources, but I don't think it's time for gloom and doom yet.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I'll ask you the same question I ask everyone else like you:

    If man today stopped producing any carbon-based emissions, what exactly would happen to global weather patterns?

    I'll be happy to answer this......

    whatever the fuck it wants. humans are just a speck in history compared to how earth will survive. its billions of years old. billions.

    we should all conserve and do what we can to protect earth for the simple fact that earth has limited resources. and we need those resources, we shouldnt waste them.
  • Alex_CoeAlex_Coe Posts: 762
    exhausted wrote:
    the world is full of people just like my neighbour. he idled his van this morning for over half an hour in the driveway. it was like -3°C.

    he, and all the people like him, need to get the consume responsibly message.

    and guess what?

    none of them give a shit.


    Blow up his car. Yeah, that'll teach that sonofabitch trying to drive to work...
  • exhaustedexhausted Posts: 6,638
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    Blow up his car. Yeah, that'll teach that sonofabitch trying to drive to work...


    i'll leave that to the spotty teenagers next door.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Angelica and PJPOWER figured out all we have to do is concentrate our subatomic energy beams at the the atmosphere and we can fix everything. Then we can all dance a happy little fairy dance and eat a pretty pumpkin pie.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Stereotype wrote:
    I'm sure you're a little sick of the words global warming, but it's real and undeniable. You can see it, feel it. Glaciers are melting, plants and animals are being forced from their habitat, and the number of severe storms and droughts is increasing. It might be a total waste of energy and it may come out lame time but I'm gonna write it anyway. It's not me here on stake...

    If the warming continues, we can expect catastrophic consequences.
    Deaths from global warming will double in just 25 years -- to 300,000 people a year.Global sea levels could rise by more than 20 feet with the loss of shelf ice in Greenland and Antarctica, devastating coastal areas worldwide.Heat waves will be more frequent and more intense. Droughts and wildfires will occur more often. The Arctic Ocean could be ice free in summer by 2050.
    More than a million species worldwide could be driven to extinction by 2050.

    The real shame is, that we could do better but instead we are making it worse. We have a moral obligation to do better, to fix what we can. Small changes to your daily routine can add up to big differences in helping to stop global warming. Here is something you can do: http://www.climatecrisis.net/pdf/10things.pdf

    According to some scientists we've got 10 years time.

    Who, if not we? When if not know? WHAT will you tell your children or grandchildren when they ask you WHY haven't you done something when you could. When it wasn't too late...Don't be such asses. How shallow can we be?

    USA sign the freakin' Kyoto, why doesn't it happen?!?All for control and oil, fuck that, I really don't get it. Well even Kyoto isn't enough any more. We must do better.
    People press on your governments. We are in a position to save it. We've got technics, materials and knowledge to stop global warming.

    I really care. I wish everyone would. We leave on such a beautiful planet. We took so many rights that we shouldnt.

    Uh..just do something..recycle, turn off your devices, use public transport, I don't freakin' care just act responsible...IT's EVOLUTION BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Angelica and PJPOWER figured out all we have to do is concentrate our subatomic energy beams at the the atmosphere and we can fix everything. Then we can all dance a happy little fairy dance and eat a pretty pumpkin pie.

    What gives, Ahnimus? You say the above as if they're actually responsible for what they say.

    Anyway, pumpkin pie is awesome.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    What gives, Ahnimus? You say the above as if they're actually responsible for what they say.

    Anyway, pumpkin pie is awesome.

    Hey, I'm all for it, we can all gather round in a circle holding hands singing "This land is our land" and then we will all pray to the lord of the cosmos and give our best carebear stare to rid the atmosphere of the evil lord smog.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Hey, I'm all for it, we can all gather round in a circle holding hands singing "This land is our land" and then we will all pray to the lord of the cosmos and give our best carebear stare to rid the atmosphere of the evil lord smog.

    Why bother? That smog was meant to be there, right? I mean, we had no option otherwise.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Why bother? That smog was meant to be there, right? I mean, we had no option otherwise.

    Doing things regularily with your opposite hand is good brain exercise.

    After a while, you may even understand the concept of determinism.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    *initiate shutdown*

    Doing things regularily with your opposite hand is good brain exercise.

    After a while, you may even understand the concept of determinism.

    I'll give that a try.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I'll give that a try.

    I would appreciate it if you don't edit my posts when you quote them.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I would appreciate it if you don't edit my posts when you quote them.

    Unfortunately, the outside stimulus demanding that I edit your posts when I quote them exceeds the outside stimulus demanding that I don't. Therefore, you'll need to make such a request at least 10^100 times in order to get me to stop.

    End transmission.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Unfortunately, the outside stimulus demanding that I edit your posts when I quote them exceeds the outside stimulus demanding that I don't. Therefore, you'll need to make such a request at least 10^100 times in order to get me to stop.

    End transmission.

    Perhaps we should address the "outside stimulus" that causes you to make attempts at mocking my posts.

    Do you feel offended by my view and feel the need to act defensively?

    Do you have low self-esteem within this social environment and feel that demeaning me will increase your popularity?

    Do you lack the mental capacity to interpret most of my posts and therefor edit them in an attempt to degrade them to a humorous level you can understand?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Perhaps we should address the "outside stimulus" that causes you to make attempts at mocking my posts.

    Ok. Address away.
    Do you feel offended by my view and feel the need to act defensively?

    No. How could your view offend me?
    Do you have low self-esteem within this social environment and feel that demeaning me will increase your popularity?

    No to the former and yes on the latter. But mostly it just entertains me. And I'm not demeaning you, I'm simply using your own points.
    Do you lack the mental capacity to interpret most of my posts and therefor edit them in an attempt to degrade them to a humorous level you can understand?

    Not at all. This post, however, makes me wonder if you've asked yourself these very same questions.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Ok. Address away.

    No. How could your view offend me

    No to the former and yes on the latter. But mostly it just entertains me. And I'm not demeaning you, I'm simply using your own points.

    Not at all. This post, however, makes me wonder if you've asked yourself these very same questions.

    Ok, so let's assume that you have been paying attention and have understood what I've said. Let's recap.

    What scientist performed an experiment in 1985 on the delay of action potentials to consciousness?

    What do neuroscientists call the "executive seat" of the brain?

    What does 'wave-particle duality' mean?

    What is the definition of free-will?

    Is morallity innate and embedded into planck's constant?

    Where is the Neural Correlate for Visual consciousness?

    What term did the late Francis Crick and Kristof Koch coin to descibe the regions of the brain that are required for consciousness to arise?

    On session 4 of the Beyond Belief 2006 conference a scientist gives a theory of consciousness by coherence between which two brain regions? What quantum mechanic is given to reduce the 500 ms delay between action potential and consciousness?

    Are false memories a real problem?

    If you can answer all of those questions. Then I'll think you were actually paying attention a bit. Maybe even that you understand what I'm talking about.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Angelica and PJPOWER figured out all we have to do is concentrate our subatomic energy beams at the the atmosphere and we can fix everything. Then we can all dance a happy little fairy dance and eat a pretty pumpkin pie.
    Considering you are the guy whose logic consistently falls flat, you're pretty condescending.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Considering you are the guy whose logic consistently falls flat, you're pretty condescending.

    Sorry? When did my logic "fall flat"?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Angelica and PJPOWER figured out all we have to do is concentrate our subatomic energy beams at the the atmosphere and we can fix everything. Then we can all dance a happy little fairy dance and eat a pretty pumpkin pie.
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Do you feel offended by my view and feel the need to act defensively?

    Do you have low self-esteem within this social environment and feel that demeaning me will increase your popularity?
    oops, forgot hypocrisy.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    oops, forgot hypocrisy.

    If you could fix the atmosphere with your carebear stare. Wouldn't you want to dance a happy dance and eat pumpkin pie? I would. I'd frolick in the garden and have a group hug too.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sorry? When did my logic "fall flat"?
    Are you going to stop the personal attacks which reveal your frustration and lack of fair debate?
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Ok, so let's assume that you have been paying attention and have understood what I've said. Let's recap.

    What scientist performed an experiment in 1985 on the delay of action potentials to consciousness?

    Libet?
    What do neuroscientists call the "executive seat" of the brain?

    The frontal lobe.
    What does 'wave-particle duality' mean?

    The observed behavior of light acting like both a particle and a wave.
    What is the definition of free-will?

    The choice provided to mammals with self-consciousness to choose to apply their brains or not to.
    Is morallity innate and embedded into planck's constant?

    No and no.
    Where is the Neural Correlate for Visual consciousness?

    The cerebral cortex
    What term did the late Francis Crick and Kristof Koch coin to descibe the regions of the brain that are required for consciousness to arise?

    Phenomenal consciousness and access-consciousness?
    On session 4 of the Beyond Belief 2006 conference a scientist gives a theory of consciousness by coherence between which two brain regions? What quantum mechanic is given to reduce the 500 ms delay between action potential and consciousness?

    I didn't watch your video. I'll guess bifurcations?
    Are false memories a real problem?

    Depends on what you mean by "false".
    If you can answer all of those questions. Then I'll think you were actually paying attention a bit. Maybe even that you understand what I'm talking about.

    Dude, I haven't really been paying much attention to you. I know your arguments. Do you think you invented this research or the articles and videos you've posted here? They've been seen before, you know.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Are you going to stop the personal attacks which reveal your frustration and lack of fair debate?

    That was a question. It's not my fault if you are offended when I try to call you out on your personal attacks.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Unfortunately, the outside stimulus demanding that I edit your posts when I quote them exceeds the outside stimulus demanding that I don't. Therefore, you'll need to make such a request at least 10^100 times in order to get me to stop.

    End transmission.

    too fucking funny
    Why go home

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Libet?

    Correct
    The frontal lobe.

    Correct

    The observed behavior of light acting like both a particle and a wave.

    Semi-correct. It has more to do with the scale at which you attempt to measure it.

    The choice provided to mammals with self-consciousness to choose to apply their brains or not to.

    Nope, volition independent of physical or divine determinants.

    No and no.

    Correct
    The cerebral cortex

    Nope, the frontal lobe.
    Phenomenal consciousness and access-consciousness?

    Nope, the Neural Correlates of Consciousness
    I didn't watch your video. I'll guess bifurcations?

    Nope, front-back coherence and backwards-time quantum mechanics.
    Depends on what you mean by "false".

    I mean literally false; incorrect.
    Dude, I haven't really been paying much attention to you. I know your arguments. Do you think you invented this research or the articles and videos you've posted here? They've been seen before, you know.

    So, you haven't paid attention to me, but think you know my arguments. you think you've seen this research before but answered wrong to half my questions. Google wasn't your friend on this one, was it?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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