Wake up!!!!!!!..and do what you can, because you can!We can!

surferdude

Stereotype wrote:

Katrina was a hurricane, correct, but do you think it's coincidental that hurricanes are increasing.

It helps to get your facts straight. 2006 was a great year for lack of hurricanes. Lives were saved as well as millions of dollars. Let's be thankful for the truth.

El_Kabong

chromiam wrote:

Apparently Mars is warming too... is that the people of Earth's fault as well????

well, einstein, let's take a look at what are in the atmosphere's of these 2 planets
Mars
95.72% Carbon dioxide
2.7% Nitrogen
1.6% Argon
0.2% Oxygen
0.07% Carbon monoxide
0.03% Water vapor
0.01% Nitric oxide
2.5 ppm Neon
300 ppb Krypton
130 ppb Formaldehyde
80 ppb Xenon
30 ppb Ozone
10 ppb Methane

Earth
78.08% N2
20.95% O2
0.93% Argon
0.038% Carbon dioxide
Trace water vapor (varies with climate)

soooo...mars' atmosphere is 95.72% Carbon Dioxide....a major greenhouse gas....doesn't seem too hard to figure out why this would happen on mars, at least not for most

chromiam

El_Kabong wrote:

well, einstein, let's take a look at what are in the atmosphere's of these 2 planets
Mars
95.72% Carbon dioxide
2.7% Nitrogen
1.6% Argon
0.2% Oxygen
0.07% Carbon monoxide
0.03% Water vapor
0.01% Nitric oxide
2.5 ppm Neon
300 ppb Krypton
130 ppb Formaldehyde
80 ppb Xenon
30 ppb Ozone
10 ppb Methane

Earth
78.08% N2
20.95% O2
0.93% Argon
0.038% Carbon dioxide
Trace water vapor (varies with climate)

soooo...mars' atmosphere is 95.72% Carbon Dioxide....a major greenhouse gas....doesn't seem too hard to figure out why this would happen on mars, at least not for most

I'm sorry Darwin but Mars temperature has increased similarly to Earth's temperature during "global warming"... so apparently the compostion of atmosphere hasn't had an effect.

jeffbr

El_Kabong wrote:

soooo...mars' atmosphere is 95.72% Carbon Dioxide....a major greenhouse gas....doesn't seem too hard to figure out why this would happen on mars, at least not for most

So based on your observations, with all of that evil CO2 shouldn't Mars be wicked hot? Why, then, it it so cold there?

And where did the C02 come from? Are you suggesting it is a natural occurrance there, but not here on Earth?

Or, if it is a natural occurrance both places, and both are experience warming currently, why is it humans' fault here?

El_Kabong

jeffbr wrote:

So based on your observations, with all of that evil CO2 shouldn't Mars be wicked hot? Why, then, it it so cold there?

And where did the C02 come from? Are you suggesting it is a natural occurrance there, but not here on Earth?

Or, if it is a natural occurrance both places, and both are experience warming currently, why is it humans' fault here?

veeeery thin atmosphere, further away from the sun....you guys are the ones comparing the 2 planets

NASA said the main problem of why it is so cold is b/c their atmosphere doesn't trap the heat in

farfromglorified

Stereotype wrote:

Katrina was a hurricane, correct, but do you think it's coincidental that hurricanes are increasing, it was the first time last year that there was one on the south side of the earth. All the things I already wrote in the opening post are consiquences of our involvment in the nature...

Please don't pass off conjecture as fact.

First, hurricanes aren't "increasing". Hurricanes, the number of them and their strengths, fluctuate. There are less hurricanes now then their were 30-40 years ago. However, hurricanes now, on average are stronger. Take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane#Long_term_trends_in_cyclone_activity

Ok, I can give you a point about concessus.You could be right but that doesn't make it better, does it? I've been on a lecture where there was a complete analyse of articles written about global warming and not one article written in academic journals was denying that the global warming is a fact. Situation was different in magazines and journals of other types but lets think who could know better...I wish I could point you to a source but I don't have it, and I doubt analyses like that are on the internet.

I'm not going to tell you global warming doesn't exist, or that man plays no role in it.

Science has shown us that cycles occur, yes, but never in history of the Earth as we know it (they can go thousands of years back with examining bubbles in the ice)the temperature or CO2 emisions were so high. It's to much for the Earth to even it out (especially because of the deforestation).
http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/sustainability/images/c02_levels.jpg

I wouldn't dispute any of that.

Now with restricting human life I don't quite see what you mean...

And I don't know what is it with this disbelieving...so if this global warming is wrong...and we all have energy saving light bulbs and electric cars etc etc... what do we get to loose? (America wants oil I can get that)..but think of what we loose if it's true. And what is so bad if you at least fight against cutting down rainforrests etc. You don't have to call it global warming it's actually a fight for preserving nature and Earth.
Now you're all conspicius.. but that terrorism pumps you up every time (that doesn't aim directly to you...in general).

Hehe...what does it mean to "preserve nature and Earth"?

jeffbr

El_Kabong wrote:

veeeery thin atmosphere, further away from the sun....you guys are the ones comparing the 2 planets

NASA said the main problem of why it is so cold is b/c their atmosphere doesn't trap the heat in

I know these things, I'm just confused by your previous post, then. I thought you were trying to explain Mars' current warming trend compared with the Earth's by pointing to CO2.

Stereotype

I'm not going to tell you global warming doesn't exist, or that man plays no role in it.


Quote:
Science has shown us that cycles occur, yes, but never in history of the Earth as we know it (they can go thousands of years back with examining bubbles in the ice)the temperature or CO2 emisions were so high. It's to much for the Earth to even it out (especially because of the deforestation).
http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/sus...c02_levels.jpg


I wouldn't dispute any of that.

Now how can you say man plays no role in it and then that you wouldn't dispute the increase of CO2 emisions. Where do you think CO2 comes from?

jeffbr

Stereotype wrote:

Where do you think CO2 comes from?

Where does the CO2 on Mars come from?

farfromglorified

Stereotype wrote:

Now how can you say man plays no role in it and then that you wouldn't dispute the increase of CO2 emisions. Where do you think CO2 comes from?

Huh? I didn't say man plays no role in it.

However, just because man plays a role, doesn't mean man plays a primary role or even a negligible or non-negligible role.

I'll ask you the same question I ask everyone else like you:

If man today stopped producing any carbon-based emissions, what exactly would happen to global weather patterns?

El_Kabong

jeffbr wrote:

I know these things, I'm just confused by your previous post, then. I thought you were trying to explain Mars' current warming trend compared with the Earth's by pointing to CO2.

NASA already explained it!

why is it warmer today than it was this day in December????

NASA said Mars has seasonal changes just like we do, and this is proven by changes in the ice at different times...so, it seems rather obvious it is much warmer today b/c the earth is moving closer to the sun...if mars behaves in the same way....you see the obviousness?

if we're increasing at the same rate as a planet that has that much more co2, maybe it has something to do w/ the rate at which WE put co2 in OUR atmosphere

HANKTHELANK

Stereotype......

There is nothing wrong with people choosing to use energy that reduces consumption of our planets resources. I for one recycle and use energy that comes from a windfarm.

But my point is that politicians implementing global warming policies are not doing so because they are afraid that we are leading the planet down a path to self destruction. This is just another fear mongering plan to keep the population scared. When people are scared they will not question policies.

angelica

HANKTHELANK wrote:

Stereotype......

There is nothing wrong with people choosing to use energy that reduces consumption of our planets resources. I for one recycle and use energy that comes from a windfarm.

But my point is that politicians implementing global warming policies are not doing so because they are afraid that we are leading the planet down a path to self destruction. This is just another fear mongering plan to keep the population scared. When people are scared they will not question policies.

I don't think we can know for sure one person's intent from the next. Some people may be earnest; others not so much. We can however feel our own fearful feelings, and let them go, finding where there might be valid reason for concern, and most importantly allowing us true discernment of the issues, no matter who is perpetuating what agenda.

Solat13

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/13gore.html?ex=1331438400&en=2df9d6e7a5aa6ed6&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

Let's just see who is right:

"It estimated that the world’s seas in this century would rise a maximum of 23 inches — down from earlier estimates. Mr. Gore, citing no particular time frame, envisions rises of up to 20 feet and depicts parts of New York, Florida and other heavily populated areas as sinking beneath the waves, implying, at least visually, that inundation is imminent."

Personally, I don't think we have nearly enough info the subject to make a judgement yet. I mean we have infinitely more data on the current weather and weathermen can't predict the weather 5 days in advance. On the otherhand we have barely a thimble full of knowledge of the 4.5 billion year old earth and we're going to believe that predictions being made by scientists are going to be accurate a hundred years in advance.

Count me as a skeptic if you will, but I'm not a believer in the global warming catastrophe. That said I think we shouldn't wantonly waste energy and resources, but I don't think it's time for gloom and doom yet.

jlew24asu

farfromglorified wrote:

I'll ask you the same question I ask everyone else like you:

If man today stopped producing any carbon-based emissions, what exactly would happen to global weather patterns?

I'll be happy to answer this......

whatever the fuck it wants. humans are just a speck in history compared to how earth will survive. its billions of years old. billions.

we should all conserve and do what we can to protect earth for the simple fact that earth has limited resources. and we need those resources, we shouldnt waste them.

Alex_Coe

exhausted wrote:

the world is full of people just like my neighbour. he idled his van this morning for over half an hour in the driveway. it was like -3°C.

he, and all the people like him, need to get the consume responsibly message.

and guess what?

none of them give a shit.

Blow up his car. Yeah, that'll teach that sonofabitch trying to drive to work...

exhausted

Alex_Coe wrote:

Blow up his car. Yeah, that'll teach that sonofabitch trying to drive to work...

i'll leave that to the spotty teenagers next door.

Ahnimus

Angelica and PJPOWER figured out all we have to do is concentrate our subatomic energy beams at the the atmosphere and we can fix everything. Then we can all dance a happy little fairy dance and eat a pretty pumpkin pie.

ThumbingMyWay32

Stereotype wrote:

I'm sure you're a little sick of the words global warming, but it's real and undeniable. You can see it, feel it. Glaciers are melting, plants and animals are being forced from their habitat, and the number of severe storms and droughts is increasing. It might be a total waste of energy and it may come out lame time but I'm gonna write it anyway. It's not me here on stake...

If the warming continues, we can expect catastrophic consequences.
Deaths from global warming will double in just 25 years -- to 300,000 people a year.Global sea levels could rise by more than 20 feet with the loss of shelf ice in Greenland and Antarctica, devastating coastal areas worldwide.Heat waves will be more frequent and more intense. Droughts and wildfires will occur more often. The Arctic Ocean could be ice free in summer by 2050.
More than a million species worldwide could be driven to extinction by 2050.

The real shame is, that we could do better but instead we are making it worse. We have a moral obligation to do better, to fix what we can. Small changes to your daily routine can add up to big differences in helping to stop global warming. Here is something you can do: http://www.climatecrisis.net/pdf/10things.pdf

According to some scientists we've got 10 years time.

Who, if not we? When if not know? WHAT will you tell your children or grandchildren when they ask you WHY haven't you done something when you could. When it wasn't too late...Don't be such asses. How shallow can we be?

USA sign the freakin' Kyoto, why doesn't it happen?!?All for control and oil, fuck that, I really don't get it. Well even Kyoto isn't enough any more. We must do better.
People press on your governments. We are in a position to save it. We've got technics, materials and knowledge to stop global warming.

I really care. I wish everyone would. We leave on such a beautiful planet. We took so many rights that we shouldnt.

Uh..just do something..recycle, turn off your devices, use public transport, I don't freakin' care just act responsible...IT's EVOLUTION BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!

"There is the greatest opportunity of all, the prize of securing and safeguarding the planet for our generations to come"

Look daddy! It talks!

farfromglorified

Ahnimus wrote:

Angelica and PJPOWER figured out all we have to do is concentrate our subatomic energy beams at the the atmosphere and we can fix everything. Then we can all dance a happy little fairy dance and eat a pretty pumpkin pie.

What gives, Ahnimus? You say the above as if they're actually responsible for what they say.

Anyway, pumpkin pie is awesome.