It's All About Who You Sleep With ... a Cautionary Note from Michael Moore

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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    I cannot believe some people here...is is American pride (b/c Americans have great pride for their country which I have hailed many times as being fantastic but too much can lead one to being very illogical) or what is it (and I am not trying to be insulting but that is what it seems it adds up to)...you cannot admit to yourselves you failed...miserably at that...now we call the anti-war movement kooks and all that fun stuff.....why cannot the acknowledgement be made that "mission failed"....get the boys back home...they have seen enough blood for five lifetimes....the excuse that Bin Laden will rally the troops as defeating America...give me a break...America/Britain/Israel have already rallied the troops with their unjustified magnitude of attacks....radical Islam was on the decline and all these nations have done is portray these people as heroes and the only option to rid their country of invaders...sorry Bin Laden won when America came to Iraq.....and more importantly remained to stay in Iraq....if you cannot fathom that simple concept I don't know....
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Then why is Lamont radical?

    I guess a public healthcare system is deemed kooky......
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    zstillings wrote:
    4. Shut down the opponent's campaing website and email effectively killing a large portion of campaing communication and GOTV plans on election day.
    A possibility - but it could have just been heavy traffic.

    However, the Lamont campaign actually put up Lieberman's cached web page up on their page - so I don't think that one can be tied directly to the Lamont campaign itself.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    I guess a public healthcare system is deemed kooky......

    His issues are on the left fringe. It's fine it's just not going to play well when the voters are not all in the same place. Many here are on that same fringe which will not make for a very fair political assessment from this board.
  • thankyougrandma
    thankyougrandma Posts: 1,182
    It's so funny when the debates or discussion stop at: Liberals vs. Conservatives, makes everyone miss the point, but sure can be entertaining to read...
    "L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
    -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    RainDog wrote:
    A possibility - but it could have just been heavy traffic.

    However, the Lamont campaign actually put up Lieberman's cached web page up on their page - so I don't think that one can be tied directly to the Lamont campaign itself.

    It was hacked. I posted a link to the screenshot that was there when it happened. It's in one of the threads yesterday.

    The problem was not that people couldn't see the pictures. It cut off all internet based GOTV communications for Lieberman's campaign. That could have easily been a cover-up by the Lamont campaign. He cannot be held to a different standard by this board than Bush just because he is a left winger.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    hmmm....sounds a lot like a "conspiracy theory" to me.

    Does it? What do you think happened in 2000 and 2004? Are you of the same opinion as me that Bush won those elections based on prescribed legal standards?
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    zstillings wrote:
    It was hacked. I posted a link to the screenshot that was there when it happened. It's in one of the threads yesterday.

    The problem was not that people couldn't see the pictures. It cut off all internet based GOTV communications for Lieberman's campaign. That could have easily been a cover-up by the Lamont campaign. He cannot be held to a different standard by this board than Bush just because he is a left winger.
    I didn't see that screenshot. Could you post the link again?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    RainDog wrote:
    I didn't see that screenshot. Could you post the link again?

    Here's his post from yesterday w/ the link:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=3603858&postcount=17
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    monkey spanker wrote:
    "We'll see in November."

    the dems have no ideas to sell to the american people, all they do is bash bush. thats great for sound bites, but it doesn't win elections. didn't you all learn anything from the last mid-term elections, or the elections 2 years ago?
    anything is better than lying to the American people and getting into this war.....and to those blasing liberals.....why don't you honestly look in the Mirror.....and say to yourselves....."I've been Punked by Bush and his buddies" Go ahead and do it..you will free yourselves of all these dillusions of EVIL, MASS MURDERES, WMD's. ...I'm just loving it....got to be tough supporting Bush now....I mean...JESUS...wake up people. OOPS.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Call himself a Republican? He supports about 95% of liberal causes, but if he supports a war (while at the same time bashing the way it has been handled) he is a Republican. Your party is a joke. You can't stand that two out of the 47 or so Democratic senators supported the war. How fucking ridiculous. Lamont is such a hypocrite it is unbelievable. I saw him on the Colbert Report blasting the war in Iraq and all the civilians getting killed, but when Colbert brought up the Israel-Lebanon issue Lamont sided with Israel...blah, blah, fucking blah. Can't lose the Jewish vote can you Lamont? It's disgusting that money and left-wing propaganda win you a primary. But yes, the people will vote and Joe will win as an independent.

    but big difference with America/Iraq and Lebanon/Isreal......Lebonon/Hezbola (sp??) are an actual threat to Isreal..it was proven...they actually did something to Isreal.........Iraq wasn't to the US....they had no weapons...and half of us knew this....duh. Make some comparable arguments...please.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    binauralsounds wrote:
    It's sickening. As you stated, Joe supported but hated the way the war was handled but got kicked out by the voters with help from moveon. But in the end, come 2008, that radical liberal party will once again fail at gaining the white house. The democratic party dam sure not what it used to be back in the day. They are out of control. Either follow EVERY position they do, or your'e labeled a conservative. What a fucking tolerant party!

    Tolerance......what republicans talking about tolerance???? ....give me a freakin break......how bout homosexuals...how about a womans right to her body. Your kidding me right......the voters just didn't like the fact the Joe was sucking face with George....and thats okay......I sure the fk wouldn't get close to him...or show him any affection. He (Georgy) fked up...we found out...we know he lied...if your a democratic politician and show any love for George you should be thrown out...America is in a great mess right now...you'd be a fool to align yourself with Georgy....even Repub. will distance themselves from Bush administration.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    I cannot believe some people here...is is American pride (b/c Americans have great pride for their country which I have hailed many times as being fantastic but too much can lead one to being very illogical) or what is it (and I am not trying to be insulting but that is what it seems it adds up to)...you cannot admit to yourselves you failed...miserably at that...now we call the anti-war movement kooks and all that fun stuff.....why cannot the acknowledgement be made that "mission failed"....get the boys back home...they have seen enough blood for five lifetimes....the excuse that Bin Laden will rally the troops as defeating America...give me a break...America/Britain/Israel have already rallied the troops with their unjustified magnitude of attacks....radical Islam was on the decline and all these nations have done is portray these people as heroes and the only option to rid their country of invaders...sorry Bin Laden won when America came to Iraq.....and more importantly remained to stay in Iraq....if you cannot fathom that simple concept I don't know....

    its not all of us....please be sure to distinquish which Americans...some of us do get it........favorite Pearl Jam show ever was in Toronto.....Eddie did a survey...you listen to the boot?....incredible and funny as hell....not this year...but last time they were in town. Get it.....great.....
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    callen wrote:
    its not all of us....please be sure to distinquish which Americans...some of us do get it........favorite Pearl Jam show ever was in Toronto.....Eddie did a survey...you listen to the boot....incredible....not this year...but last time they were in town. Get it.....great.....

    I was not trying to be rude and include everyone...like I said what I envy (in a good way) about Americans is their national pride which is fantastic to have...like I said no one is more proud of their country then an American...which is a great thing....what I was alluding to was that maybe too much pride can be bad thing....such a bad thing that it delays the obvious (pull out of Iraq) b/c of an issue to save face....national pride is fantastic...but too much can be bad....
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    I was not trying to be rude and include everyone...like I said what I envy (in a good way) about Americans is their national pride which is fantastic to have...like I said no one is more proud of their country then an American...which is a great thing....what I was alluding to was that maybe too much pride can be bad thing....such a bad thing that it delays the obvious (pull out of Iraq) b/c of an issue to save face....national pride is fantastic...but too much can be bad....

    just have been to several countrys last couple years and the perception is we all agree with what our Government is doing...so always try to enlighten. But.....remember this...the half that dispise Georgy and the boys....we are as Proud to be an American as the other half....and thats why we're just sooo disenchanted( okay pissed off) with the current administration.....as Eddie has said......"Just doesn't feel like the US anymore" Houston Concert last time around. America is about being free and just and Tolerant...and that's not what the current administration is about.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    callen wrote:
    just have been to several countrys last couple years and the perception is we all agree with what our Government is doing...so always try to enlighten. But.....remember this...the half that dispise Georgy and the boys....we are as Proud to be an American as the other half....and thats why we're just sooo disenchanted( okay pissed off) with the current administration.....as Eddie has said......"Just doesn't feel like the US anymore" Houston Concert last time around. America is about being free and just and Tolerant...and that's not what the current administration is about.

    No I do not, or ever have, held that perception....I have American buddies and met a few cool Americans at the 2005 shows and the opinion of their government is all negative....
  • BogoEN
    BogoEN Posts: 65
    Um, well...uh ok. First off to the person who responded by saying that this was a sign of the immenent downfall of the "Liberals" into some kind of communist party, um...no. As a matter of fact, when was the last time Michael Moore was the spokesperson for the DNC? Umm...Never! And poor Mike seems to be washed up in media hype like the rest of the counry.. "Lieberman LOSES!" Ok well, yes, but it was actually a very, very narrow loss. Hardly a landslide for some kind of leftist darkhorse. Just enough people fed up with Leiberman bein wishywashy like most dems to give the new guy a single digit win.

    And again, Mike is still forgetting that there was no RESOUNDING VOICES kicking the asses of all dems that supported the war. If any voices like that were speaking, it was a barely audible whisper.
    And in the end, I think the dems are still screwed. The primaries are them pettin the dolphin while they can.
    Mike also seems to be forgetting the OTHER HALF of the country that voted this regime into power. Just because Bush cant run again doesn't mean Rove hasn't already mastered the demise of the Democrats. THEY ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATE HIM. Stop thinking he might be good. The man is seriously evil, and devilishly genius.
    I hear engravers carving out a tombstone now, OMG!!! it says..."DNC"
    "Winded is the sailor, drifting by the storm, wounded is the organ he left all bloodied on the shore...the smallest oceans still get Big Big waves..."

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  • WindNoSail
    WindNoSail Posts: 580
    Michael Moore creeps me out....what kinda of message is that? He is a freak - how can any American Democrat like to hear this guy...creepy. That is the same kinda of message I am used to hearing in Arabic, spoken by Saddam, Osama, Nasarallah, etc yet translated in English.

    "Pay attention, o' leaders of the Great Satanic empire. Stop your Zionest incest, or we shall destroy your land and people with the fires of judgement" They are all the same guy.

    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Call himself a Republican? He supports about 95% of liberal causes, but if he supports a war (while at the same time bashing the way it has been handled) he is a Republican. Your party is a joke. You can't stand that two out of the 47 or so Democratic senators supported the war. How fucking ridiculous. Lamont is such a hypocrite it is unbelievable. I saw him on the Colbert Report blasting the war in Iraq and all the civilians getting killed, but when Colbert brought up the Israel-Lebanon issue Lamont sided with Israel...blah, blah, fucking blah. Can't lose the Jewish vote can you Lamont? It's disgusting that money and left-wing propaganda win you a primary. But yes, the people will vote and Joe will win as an independent.


    Excellent point....and I agree. I saw him also say he was going to ensure that the US would have the strongest army in the world! Now what is that all about, just got the win inthe primary as the anti war canidate and now he is going to ensure we have an army that can kick ass?


    hippiemom wrote:
    Bin Laden would threaten his enemies with free elections? Now THAT I'd like to see!

    Let's not get carried away here ... Michael Moore is not blowing anything up, not chopping off any heads, he's not planting IEDs on the road to the capitol building. He's telling them "the majority of us in your party don't support this policy ... now get in line with us or you're out." What's wrong with that? They're SUPPOSED to represnt us, aren't they?

    No you don't :) I know you are wise enough to know that there is no representation going on here. If anyone here thinks the party is loyal to the people then I got some oceanfront property.....

    If I was in Conn, I would probably vote in the general for Lieberman just because I figure he has nothing to loose, and no one to represent BUT the people.
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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    It just goes to show that Michael Moore is just another person who has absolutely no idea about the situation in Iraq.
    reigning champion

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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    jeffbr wrote:
    Here's his post from yesterday w/ the link:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=3603858&postcount=17
    What's with the July 10th, 2006 time stamp? I thought the site went down a day or two before the primary. There's not really much to the screen capture, either. Where did it come from?

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