I would rather have President Chavez than George Bush

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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    CaterinaA wrote:
    Well, there are many features of Chile that other Latinamerican countries could use as an example, like the fact that institutions work, justice works, there is little corruption between politicians and those who are caught most of the time have to face prosecution or a trial or some kind of a sanction, tax evasion in Chile is very low, there is little discretional public expenditure, the government has to account for its actions, economic policy is balanced between fiscal responsibility and social expenditure, even though Cooper (Chile's main natural resource) has reached historic prices the goverment is saving all the excedents instead of succumbing to the temptation of spending it without actually analyzing which sector of the country could benefit with extra-public expenditure...and mot remarkably: poverty, between 1990 and 2003 diminished from 36.6% to 18.6%, that's 20 percentile points in a decade. For developed countries 18.6% is a lot, but for Latinamerican standards is quite low, and the decreasing trend has kept its path, hence when new data is available poverty should be lower...

    Of course, and I'll say it again, Chile has to improve in many areas, like inequality, education (there are significant gaps in terms of quality), improve the social protection system in general and investment in R&D, and others. However, many analysts, academics and politicians believe that Chile could actually become a developed country in a decade or so...

    My lunch has just arrived, but I'll provide you some links about Chile. Manuel Castells (the Spanish sociologist) has written a lot about Chile's evolution since the return of democracy...

    Peace from Argentina
    Caterina

    Cool thanks...that would be appreciated Caterina....:)
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    CaterinaA wrote:

    My lunch has just arrived, but I'll provide you some links about Chile. Manuel Castells (the Spanish sociologist) has written a lot about Chile's evolution since the return of democracy...

    Peace from Argentina
    Caterina

    Santiago..and loved it.....August last year....great people....and ski'ed...cool. My fondest memory was though walking downtown Santiago..and on buildings.......stenciled "Bush es una Terroriste". Sure I killed the spelling. I couldn't help but smile.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    callen wrote:
    courious...what has she said...that sounds rediculous..and again from the point of view of a mother that lost her son in the Iraq conflict.

    Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a U.S. soldier who was killed in Sadr City, Iraq, on April 4, 2004, expressed her distress and frustration... "Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by George [W.] Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11."


    Funny. Statements like that fit right in on the moving train. Is Cindy on this board???
  • CaterinaA
    CaterinaA Posts: 572
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Cool thanks...that would be appreciated Caterina....:)

    You know, Castells' papers are all in spanish :(

    But here there are a couple of links to two ECLAC's publications. ECLAC is the Economic Comission for Latin America and the Caribbean (it is a United Nations Sytem Organization). You'll find data about Chile and the rest of the region, should you be interested in comparing:

    http://www.eclac.cl/cgi-bin/getProd.asp?xml=/publicaciones/xml/4/24054/P24054.xml&xsl=/dds/tpl-i/p9f.xsl&base=/tpl/top-bottom.xslt

    http://www.eclac.cl/publicaciones/xml/0/21540/lcg2331.pdf

    Both links provide socioeconomic data, they are good start to gather information about Latin America's social evolution. Regarding politics, all the papers I have are in spanish but I'll find something in english...
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    callen wrote:
    Santiago..and loved it.....August last year....great people....and ski'ed...cool. My fondest memory was though walking downtown Santiago..and on buildings.......stenciled "Bush es una Terroriste". Sure I killed the spelling. I couldn't help but smile.

    You stenciled that?
  • CaterinaA
    CaterinaA Posts: 572
    callen wrote:
    Santiago..and loved it.....August last year....great people....and ski'ed...cool. My fondest memory was though walking downtown Santiago..and on buildings.......stenciled "Bush es una Terroriste". Sure I killed the spelling. I couldn't help but smile.

    Yes, Santiago is quite beautiful. I was born there. My parents and most of my relatives live in Santiago, so I go very often (at least twice a year). Glad you liked Santiago :)

    Your spelling was almost 100% correct; only terrorista was mispelled.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    jsand wrote:
    You stenciled that?

    I'm against grafitti....remember it was on a building downtown...that was gutted inside...from a fire long time ago..lots of people died there...was a historical monument.....also on sidewalks all over the place....again made me smile....and also made me sad thinking soooo many people in the world think unfavorable of the US due to Georgy...
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    Last Thursday Cindy Sheehan was at Univeristy of Washington to give a talk. My friend who served in the Army and spent 13 months in Iraq asked me to go down and be there as he held up his sign expressing his dislike for her. I agreed and went down. They have a big grass lawn at the UW in front of the Husky Union Building (HUB), this is were Cindy and her friends were demonstrating. They set up what they called Northwest Arlington Cemetery. They made about 2300 paper tombstones and filled this giant lawn with them. Each tombstone had a soldiers name and when he died in Iraq or Afghanistan. It was pretty sobering. Anyway I meet some interesting people must of whom I completely disagree with, but we were able to have a nice peaceful discussion on our different world views.

    Cindy came out and gave her speech and as I was listening to her talk about her son and how he never agreed with the war or George Bush, (Casey by the by reenlisted with the Army, while he was in Iraq), and how she wanted to honor him, (yet she never thought to honor him with a proper gravestone at his grave site, even the the DOD had given her close to 250,000 for Casey's death, his father within the past several months bought Casey the gravestone to honor him.) Ms. Sheehan was crying when talking about her son, yet not a few minutes later she was laughing and hugging people a total 180 from what she had been like when the cameras were on. It made me just sick to watch her. I don't know what it is like to lose a loved one in Iraq, and I know that she feels a huge lose for her son, but to see her just stand up there and turn on those alligator tears and not a few minutes later be laughing it up with some friends. I really feel that she is dishonoring her son and the rest of the people who lost there life in Iraq, when I see her act the way she did. I hope she takes her 250,000 and finds a nice little spot in Venezula.
  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    callen wrote:
    I'm against grafitti....remember it was on a building downtown...that was gutted inside...from a fire long time ago..lots of people died there...was a historical monument.....also on sidewalks all over the place....again made me smile....and also made me sad thinking soooo many people in the world think unfavorable of the US due to Georgy...

    Did you think what I posted was ridiculous, or just the words of a greiving mother?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    siochan wrote:
    I'd move to Venezula happily rather than move to USA


    no offense, but you are fucking crazy
  • CaterinaA
    CaterinaA Posts: 572
    my2hands wrote:
    no offense, but you are fucking crazy

    That is what I tried to say, in a very polite way...thank you my2hands.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    jsand wrote:
    Did you think what I posted was ridiculous, or just the words of a greiving mother?
    don't understand what your saying....but no I didnt' think what you wrote was ridiculous....
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • brianjd
    brianjd Posts: 201
    And agree with those who said move to Caracas or Tehran or Damascus if you prefer those regimes to ours.
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  • brianjd
    brianjd Posts: 201
    DMBlover wrote:
    Yes Bush is out of touch and I would compare him to the devil but Chavez is phsyco. I would suggest moving to Venezuala and see if you survive.
    Wake up and smell the coffee. Chavez is an egomaniac simply looking to fill the eventual void in Latin America when Castro crokes at the expense of his own people just like Castro did to his. If you like these people's views so much because you hear what they say on the TV, get off your butt and go to these countries and see what these despots do to their own people.
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    Irvine 1992, Las Vegas 1993, Mountain View 1994, San Diego 1995, Los Angeles 1996, Los Angeles 1998, Moutain View 1999, San Bernadino 2000, Los Angeles 2000, Irvine 2003, Irvine 2003, Moutain View 2003, Santa Barbara 2003, San Diego 2006, Los Angeles 2006, Santa Barbara 2006
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    whether he's a good guy or not, we wouldn't be talkin shit about Chávez if not for the oil in his country.

    it seems like Cindy Sheehan's main point here was what Bush is doing to our country and not what Chávez is doing to his.

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