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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    zstillings wrote:
    So she truly stands for nothing?

    exactly
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Laz wrote:
    she doesn't really support the war, she's just saying that to garner some hawkish votes, she's supporting the war to win an election so she can implement some real changes... you'll see when she wins
    She has supported it consistently with her votes, and that's more than just talk. She's done her fair share to make this atrocity possible. There's blood on her hands.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    my2hands wrote:
    exactly


    double exactly... don't we want someone who stands for nothing? someone who won't be dogmatic about issues? someone who goes with the tide as befits them? someone who's open minded...what a perfect president that would be in our postmodern society!
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Laz wrote:
    double exactly... don't we want someone who stands for nothing? someone who won't be dogmatic about issues? someone who goes with the tide as befits them? someone who's open minded...what a perfect president that would be in our postmodern society!

    Or someone who can be easily swayed by power and foreign governments? Doesn't sound like my ideal. Sometimes tough decisions need to be made and a poll of registered voters is not always the best consultant.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Laz wrote:
    double exactly... don't we want someone who stands for nothing? someone who won't be dogmatic about issues? someone who goes with the tide as befits them? someone who's open minded...what a perfect president that would be in our postmodern society!
    You want someone with no strong positions, who drifts along wherever the winds of change may blow her, in charge of the world's largest military?!? This sounds like a good idea to you?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    zstillings wrote:
    Or someone who can be easily swayed by power and foreign governments? Doesn't sound like my ideal. Sometimes tough decisions need to be made and a poll of registered voters is not always the best consultant.


    z, a president has to be open-minded and tolerant so he/she won't take any real stand on any issue... we don't need people like FDR who intolerantly went to war with Japan after Pearl Harbor... an ideal president would have understood why they had to hit Pearl and opened dialogue with Japanese leadership in order to build a better tomorrow... that's why we need someone who stands for nothing

    [tongue firmly planted in cheek]
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Laz wrote:
    z, a president has to be open-minded and tolerant so he/she won't take any real stand on any issue... we don't need people like FDR who intolerantly went to war with Japan after Pearl Harbor... an ideal president would have understood why they had to hit Pearl and opened dialogue with Japanese leadership in order to build a better tomorrow... that's why we need someone who stands for nothing

    [tongue firmly planted in cheek]

    Gotcha. Sorry I didn't pick up on that earlier.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    zstillings wrote:
    Gotcha. Sorry I didn't pick up on that earlier.
    I don't know if you've noticed, but it seems most of the people "rooting" for a Hillary Clinton campaign are the same people who won't vote for her in the general.

    And not to toot my own horn (who am I kidding, I love to toot!), but I had Laz figured out as soon as I read "Hillary in '08!!!!" I really don't think she'll make it past the primary.
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    RainDog wrote:
    I don't know if you've noticed, but it seems most of the people "rooting" for a Hillary Clinton campaign are the same people who won't vote for her in the general.

    And not to toot my own horn (who am I kidding, I love to toot!), but I had Laz figured out as soon as I read "Hillary in '08!!!!" I really don't think she'll make it past the primary.

    I agree with you. The only way she makes it past the primary is because she has so much more money stocked up than any other probable candidate at this time.
  • binauralsounds
    binauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    Laz wrote:
    Hillary in '08!!!!

    I USED to think this. However, moveon and the rest of the RADICAL left will throw hillary under the bus quicker than Joe.
  • Laz
    Laz Posts: 118
    zstillings wrote:
    I agree with you. The only way she makes it past the primary is because she has so much more money stocked up than any other probable candidate at this time.


    she'll win because of this reason and because the DNC doesn't have anyone as popular to throw out there... I'm not sure if the swing voters trust the GOP at this point in time...
  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    Cosmo wrote:
    I don't think it's a Republican/Democrat thing... here's why I feel this way.
    ...
    Let's say that in the same timeframe (2000 - 2006), the same exact events occured and the same exact decisions were made and the same exact outcomes resulted... the only thing different is the President is Al Gore.
    Would the same people supporting the war and decisions and results... STILL be supporting the President?
    ....
    I can guarantee you that I would STILL be against this war, the way it was sold, the way it was handled and the way it continues to be mishandled.


    If Al Gore where President, im sure we would be in the place where we should be trying to find the person we really need to find...........Hey any of you guys remember that guy that was incharge of the 911 attack????????............what was his name??????????? Bin Lauden?
    I'll be back
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    If Al Gore where President, im sure we would be in the place where we should be trying to find the person we really need to find...........Hey any of you guys remember that guy that was incharge of the 911 attack????????............what was his name??????????? Bin Lauden?
    ...
    I know, things would probably be different.
    The point I am trying to make is the underlying reasons WHY the War supporters are still out there. Would they feel the same way about the war if the President was a Democrat? I'm guessing, not. I cannot see FOX News and their viewers supporting the same decisions, if they were made by a Democrat... can you? Can you picture, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly making the same stand... or railling about all of the past mistakes? They would be having a field day. Can you picture the Bush supporters here, saying good things about a President Gore that made W.M.D. claims that have failed to materialize? No fucking way.
    ...
    And the anti-War people... we'd STILL be raging against the war, no matter what political party affiliation the President is... Republican, Democrat, Green Party, etc... the whole fucking thing was wrong from the beginning and there is no plan to finish it other than, 'Stay The Course'.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I know, things would probably be different.
    The point I am trying to make is the underlying reasons WHY the War supporters are still out there. Would they feel the same way about the war if the President was a Democrat? I'm guessing, not. I cannot see FOX News and their viewers supporting the same decisions, if they were made by a Democrat... can you? Can you picture, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly making the same stand... or railling about all of the past mistakes? They would be having a field day. Can you picture the Bush supporters here, saying good things about a President Gore that made W.M.D. claims that have failed to materialize? No fucking way.
    ...
    And the anti-War people... we'd STILL be raging against the war, no matter what political party affiliation the President is... Republican, Democrat, Green Party, etc... the whole fucking thing was wrong from the beginning and there is no plan to finish it other than, 'Stay The Course'.

    That's a big brush that you're using there. There are truly anti-war people here and there are also truly anti-Bush people here much like there are truly anti-war people around here and there are still a few truly anti-Israel people here.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    zstillings wrote:
    That's a big brush that you're using there. There are truly anti-war people here and there are also truly anti-Bush people here much like there are truly anti-war people around here and there are still a few truly anti-Israel people here.
    ...
    Okay... I'll fully qualify that statement...
    ...
    I... would STILL be raging against the war, no matter what political party affiliation the President is... Republican, Democrat, Green Party, etc... the whole fucking thing was wrong from the beginning and there is no plan to finish it other than, 'Stay The Course'.
    ...
    And for some reason... I just cannot picture you defending a Democratic President Al Gore on Iraq... wire tapping... deficit... huge spending... Katrina... Harriet Meirs...
    But, I could be wrong.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Okay... I'll fully qualify that statement...
    ...
    I... would STILL be raging against the war, no matter what political party affiliation the President is... Republican, Democrat, Green Party, etc... the whole fucking thing was wrong from the beginning and there is no plan to finish it other than, 'Stay The Course'.
    ...
    And for some reason... I just cannot picture you defending a Democratic President Al Gore on Iraq... wire tapping... deficit... huge spending... Katrina... Harriet Meirs...
    But, I could be wrong.

    I know that you would still be against the war but I could think of some around here who wouldn't be.

    I would have been for the Iraq war at the beginning regardless. I thought this should have been done during the first Gulf War. I have not really defended Bush on any of those other issues, in fact I have been against him on all of those except for Katrina.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    zstillings wrote:
    I know that you would still be against the war but I could think of some around here who wouldn't be.

    I would have been for the Iraq war at the beginning regardless. I thought this should have been done during the first Gulf War. I have not really defended Bush on any of those other issues, in fact I have been against him on all of those except for Katrina.
    ..
    Then, you don't fit the bill. But, can you picture Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly... FOX News in general defending a Democratic President? I can't.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Cosmo wrote:
    ..
    Then, you don't fit the bill. But, can you picture Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly... FOX News in general defending a Democratic President? I can't.

    No but in the same way I couldn't see Al Franken or Janeane Garofalo bashing a Demorat as much.

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