Health Insurance.

prism

jlew24asu wrote:

sorry but no its not. or at least it shouldnt be.



how is this my problem? I work hard and pay for my own health insurence becuase my company's coverage sucks. you do see me asking you to pay for it do you?

it's everyone's problem not just yours. so you pay for your own health insurance, that's good.

what happens if you got a terrible illness, one that within a year or two you've already gone through you life-time insurance coverage but you still need 100's of thousands of $ worth of additional treatment and now you have no coverage? would you want it that I'd should tell you to fuck off and die than to pay anything toward your coverage? cause I'd never do that to another human being

onelongsong

jlew24asu wrote:

sorry but no its not. or at least it shouldnt be.



how is this my problem? I work hard and pay for my own health insurence becuase my company's coverage sucks. you do see me asking you to pay for it do you?

the states have medicaid for those who can't afford their own health insurance. it's easier for a poor american to get a hip replacement than for a wealthy canadian to get one.
i have medicare and i pay for my own supplimental plan. i'd rather keep control of my healthcare issues and keep the government out of it.

onelongsong

prism wrote:

it's everyone's problem not just yours. so you pay for your own health insurance, that's good.

what happens if you got a terrible illness, one that within a year or two you've already gone through you life-time insurance coverage but you still need 100's of thousands of $ worth of additional treatment and now you have no coverage? would you want it that I'd should tell you to fuck off and die than to pay anything toward your coverage? cause I'd never do that to another human being

cool; i'll send my bills to you.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

the states have medicaid for those who can't afford their own health insurance. it's easier for a poor american to get a hip replacement than for a wealthy canadian to get one.
i have medicare and i pay for my own supplimental plan. i'd rather keep control of my healthcare issues and keep the government out of it.

The thing of it is, OLS, once you subscribe to an insurance plan, you have subscribed to government. You have enrolled yourself into a socialist system. When you strip it down to its bare essentials, you are contributing money to a collective for the betterment of the whole of the people.

onelongsong

jlew24asu wrote:

so its my responsibility (as a taxpayer) to pay for everyone who is too lazy to get health insurance on their own?

of course the lazy want you to pay for them. that's the whole idea. but you're arguing with plant life here. my monthly meds now exceed $3200.00 per month. but i get them directly from the manufacturer at a total cost of $80.00/month. my medicare suppliment is through aarp and i can see any doctor i want. when i needed surgery 2 weeks ago everything was approved that day and surgery was sheduled before i left the office.
the point is that there are so many options but people are too lazy to investigate them. they want the government involved. the same government they say caused 9/11 and killed jfk. they want this terrible monster of a government to be in control of their healthcare. isn't it ironic?

jlew24asu

^^^^^ yes it is.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

of course the lazy want you to pay for them. that's the whole idea. but you're arguing with plant life here. my monthly meds now exceed $3200.00 per month. but i get them directly from the manufacturer at a total cost of $80.00/month. my medicare suppliment is through aarp and i can see any doctor i want. when i needed surgery 2 weeks ago everything was approved that day and surgery was sheduled before i left the office.
the point is that there are so many options but people are too lazy to investigate them. they want the government involved. the same government they say caused 9/11 and killed jfk. they want this terrible monster of a government to be in control of their healthcare. isn't it ironic?

Now we don't.

We want real government.

prism

onelongsong wrote:

of course the lazy want you to pay for them. that's the whole idea. but you're arguing with plant life here. my monthly meds now exceed $3200.00 per month. but i get them directly from the manufacturer at a total cost of $80.00/month. my medicare suppliment is through aarp and i can see any doctor i want. when i needed surgery 2 weeks ago everything was approved that day and surgery was sheduled before i left the office.
the point is that there are so many options but people are too lazy to investigate them. they want the government involved. the same government they say caused 9/11 and killed jfk. they want this terrible monster of a government to be in control of their healthcare. isn't it ironic?

uh you have medicare...the federal government IS paying for your healthcare...80% of it anyway

gue_barium

macgyver06 wrote:

Can We list some things that would happened if Health Insurance were made the law in the United States.

I think there are some major questions to.

A.Would this be only a requirement for the employed. Which would lead to being the law for Employers to make sure each employee is insured otherwise, the employer could face fines. or would it be solely the employees responsibility to comply with the law.

B.What Are the penalties to a violator? (someone caught without insurance)

C.Are there reinbursements for those who do not exercise or abuse there health insurance?

D. What are the levels of plans or would making it legal also make full health insurance covereage to every employee inthe united states available. Health at all levels including optical or dental. Or would these mandatory policies be strictly life necessity, no Cosmetic plans to be offered.
Cosmetics would be eyes, dental and any accident which leaves you cosmetically damaged but still able to live normally.


these are all things i think people dont ask.

Also by making these shitty health plans mandatory... you are once again giving all the cards to the Insurance Companies.. They can still choose doctors who comply with there rates and interests in a trade of better equipment and better salaries and bonuses paid to the organization who is doint the treating..

all these factors will raise costs more...and leave us in the samne situation... except we will all be paying a ridiculous tax disquised as Health care.

there is more here than meets the eye...you have to dig deeper...

Corruption in US government runs deep, no doubt. Corporate deep. This is Thee issue. The first issue.

onelongsong

gue_barium wrote:

The thing of it is, OLS, once you subscribe to an insurance plan, you have subscribed to government. You have enrolled yourself into a socialist system. When you strip it down to its bare essentials, you are contributing money to a collective for the betterment of the whole of the people.

i pick my doctors; i choose my treatment plan. if i need surgery; i'll pick where and when. i don't need the governments involvement.

prism

onelongsong wrote:

i pick my doctors; i choose my treatment plan. if i need surgery; i'll pick where and when. i don't need the governments involvement.

well being that nearly all doctors(but a small percentage) and hospitals accept medicare you do need the governments involvement if those dr.s and hospitals want to get paid

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

i pick my doctors; i choose my treatment plan. if i need surgery; i'll pick where and when. i don't need the governments involvement.

You are already involved with the government.

onelongsong

prism wrote:

uh you have medicare...the federal government IS paying for your healthcare...80% of it anyway

actually; it's money i paid to the government in the event i get sick. they deducted it from every paycheck i ever received. so no; the federal government isn't paying anything for me. i paid the premiums over 35 years of employment and i still pay a monthly premium to have the coverage i've already paid for.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

actually; it's money i paid to the government in the event i get sick. they deducted it from every paycheck i ever received. so no; the federal government isn't paying anything for me. i paid the premiums over 35 years of employment and i still pay a monthly premium to have the coverage i've already paid for.

good 'ol socialism!

onelongsong

prism wrote:

well being that nearly all doctors(but a small percentage) and hospitals accept medicare you do need the governments involvement if those dr.s and hospitals want to get paid

and that's where their involvement should stop. i have a canadian friend who told me she's been going to the same clinic for over 3 years and hasn't seen the same doctor twice. i mentioned hip replacement earlier because she's still waiting for approval from the canadian government.
government can be involved in paying the bills because they took the money from me to do just that. i never agreed to let the government dictate my healthcare necessities; i leave that to the doctors.

prism

onelongsong wrote:

actually; it's money i paid to the government in the event i get sick. they deducted it from every paycheck i ever received. so no; the federal government isn't paying anything for me. i paid the premiums over 35 years of employment and i still pay a monthly premium to have the coverage i've already paid for.

it's what gets held from everyone's paychecks they ever receive. if your medical expenses exceed what you've paid in and and your monthly premiums they'll still continue to pay that 80%, so you cannot possibly claim that they aren't paying anything...especially if you consider the skyrocketing cost of healthcare with what they took out of your paychecks 35, 20 or even 10 or 5 years ago

onelongsong

prism wrote:

it's what gets held from everyone's paychecks they ever receive. if your medical expenses exceed what you've paid in and and your monthly premiums they'll still continue to pay that 80%, so you cannot possibly claim that they aren't paying anything...especially if you consider the skyrocketing cost of healthcare with what they took out of your paychecks 35, 20 or even 10 or 5 years ago

for many; yes. i'll have to agree. my monthly checks are pennies under $2K so it's obvious i was paying in more than most peoples take home pay.

prism

onelongsong wrote:

for many; yes. i'll have to agree. my monthly checks are pennies under $2K so it's obvious i was paying in more than most peoples take home pay.

I'm not following you since 1.45% of any paycheck regardless of income goes into medicare. and the maxium monthly medicare premium is $162.10

JOEJOEJOE

gue_barium wrote:

So, when somebody (or even thousands) gets sick from a virulent strain of Plague, through no fault of their own, we look away? Why not insure ourselves all the way around?

Who could you sue if you get sick?.....imagine how long the causal chain would be.....one guy who got sick last would sue the guy before him, who would sue the guy who got sick before him.

How do you prove someone got ya sick!

That would really be a good use of the courts!

Strangest Tribe

Insurance is a scam. Insurance people are crooks.

anyone that takes your money and goes to endless means to never give it back to you as agreed with every exhaustable excuse they can concoct is a crook.

If you work for an insurance company you know what I'm talking about.