How do you guys feel about the Media
macgyver06
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controlling the people in our society that don't pay close attention to our elections and don't think twice before casting a vote about someone they really don't know.
I think its fair to say these voters make up a very good majority of the votes.
How do you feel about Television News Stations and Radio Corporations controlling what information gets out?
How do we stop these corporations from funding candidates? It should be Illegal. You can't pay high school students to get them to choose your college to play football in... so why can corporations pay amateurs running for the highest position in the world..
I think its fair to say these voters make up a very good majority of the votes.
How do you feel about Television News Stations and Radio Corporations controlling what information gets out?
How do we stop these corporations from funding candidates? It should be Illegal. You can't pay high school students to get them to choose your college to play football in... so why can corporations pay amateurs running for the highest position in the world..
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Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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...i know all the rules but the rules do not know me, guaranteed...
yup yup..its something Gravel brought up today... with online quizzez (respectable ones) if people were voting based on what they believed in and which candidate they matchup with...there would be a much different looking race going on.
Nuclear fission
...i know all the rules but the rules do not know me, guaranteed...
As the band Talking Heads would say....Same as it ever was, nothing's changed only the deception and gotten sleak and slicker.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
and you may find yourself....in another part of the world
and you may find yourself....behind the wheel of a large automobile....
Ill say this.... I dont think its gotten any sleek or slicker....I think the populus has, for the most part, has become indifferent.....so anything they say works...
Nuclear fission
In the US they cant' control us with guns, obviously, so they have to control our opinions. Entire industries have been spawned to this end-see public relations and marketing.
The United States has the most effective propaganda system in the world. And that can be proven, if you have the time to do a little research.
Small example of how the propaganda machine works.
So the US bombed Cambodia into the dark ages, literally, it allowed Pol Pot to take control. He chose to get his weapons from the Soviets-so Cambodia becomes an "official enemy of the State". Then you have Indonesia, supplied militarily by the US and an offical ally.
Both countries commence whole scale slaughter on civilian populations. Mass starvation torture, brutality unimaginable. In Cambodia the numbers were higher, but relative to population size the Indonesia slaughter in East Timor was far worse.
People took the time to investigat the NY Times coverage of these events during a specific time period in the 70's. Not only is the NY times the most widely read newspaper (it was a few years ago anyway) in the world, it is also the historical record. A thousand years from now historians will go to the NY Times record to find out what was going on in the world. That's a big responsibility.
So, they laid all articles end to end on a basketball court, side by side. Newspaper articles about Pol Pot and his massacre vs Indonesia and the slaughter in East Timor. East Timor made it a few feet, whil Pol Pot made it across the entire floor of the court. It was literally, 2 or 3 stories from an entire year about this massacre in East Timor. And its not like the US didn't know what was going on. Indonesia was supplied by the US, their soldiers wore US army uniforms..Kissinger was in Indonesia 10 days before the invasion.
What is worse is that once enough people found out about this massacre in East Timor, commited by Indonesia, the slaughter ended with a word from Washington. That's all it took. Had the journalists actually done their jobs and the editors, hundreds of thousands of lives could have been saved. We couldn't stop Pol Pot, not directly, not like we could with Indonesia. So to focus on an official enemy of the US (in some cases fabricating stories of torture in Cambodia) and not on Indonesia (an official ally) wasn't just propaganda showing how evil Russia and its sattelites were, it literally cost people their lives.
That's propaganda in the US. It's not what they say its what they dont' say that is so damaging.
The media doesn't have a conservative or liberal bias, it has a bias towards status quo. None of the major candidates will cause a very great paradigm shift. They can talk all they want about changing the status quo, however none of their policies reflect that in any way. Candidates who actually do pose a threat to business as usual, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul for example, get completely ignored. The media is a business, nothing more, nothing less. They do what's good for the bottom line. The only difference, is that they have a greater ability to control whether or not their profits and subsidies remain stable than other types of companies. In the same way that most large corporations give money to candidates to ensure there continued success, media corporations make sure that any threatening candidates are unable to make it past the primaries to ensure their continued success.
yikes. I liked him on SportsCenter, but ...
for the least they could possibly do
regardless of what you think of his politics no one really can report the news of the day better, of the major talking heads...
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what are you talking about?
Far too few media companies own far too much media in far to many markets.
Everything is homogenous.
Some of my collegiate work was around these this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda-setting_theory
this is a huge part of public relations and political campaigns.
I actualy disagree with this tremendously.
And i think online quizes (respectable or not) are HORRIBLY DESTRUCTIVE TO TRUE LIBERTY,
because they encourage people to click on something that appeals to them without understanding it, then they get a candidate.
Basicaly, they see, "more free services" and they go, "oh hell yeah" ... or whatever the free lunch du jour is ... and they get their candidate.
Online polls present people with questions that ask them about their idealized views on a reality that is much different than some silly quesiton.
It's all well and good for people to want this or that, or to agree or disagree with this or that ... but if they have no fundamental understanding of the reality that stands behind that issue, they are probably contributing to the cause.
Like subsidization ... "do you think the government should offer incentives to sustainable business models"?
Well, any well meaning folk would answer YES to that.
But the reality is who the hell defines "sustainable" and why should the government be in charge of giving those companies a competitive advantage over other companies? What if the government is wrong, and they end up funding a bad technology (ethanol, cough cough!) ...
If I opened it now would you not understand?
agreed.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
rupert murdoch.
take a good look
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lie beside me
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It means, you guys are all whine, and no cheese. You're content to just bitch and moan about the problem without actively getting involved. I used to believe as you do... that "whoever controls what you see, controls what you think." That's why I got into journalism in the first place: To make a difference. Would you sacrifice any kind of social life for low pay, long hours, extreme job stress and having the rest of the world look down on you as being only slightly more respectable than a lawyer?
Unless you actively work in a newsroom, you do not understand the pressures that go on.
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I do. It's my job.
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I may not work in a newsroom, but I know there is a LOT of censorship going on. A lot of control from up above you as a journalist, that you don't see. Do you honestly believe that what we see for American broadcasting is good journalism? It used to be, when those in the White House were ratted out and exposed for their scandalous endeavors. Why isn't any of that happening now? Could it possibly because the gov't controls the media? Absolutely. Every single thing we see on mainstream media has been approved to broadcast. We only see what the Feds allow us to. Remember, Bush threatened NASA scientists their jobs if they released decriminating material about global warming. Some scientists ended up quitting and released their findings anyway. Why aren't soldier's caskets shown on the news? Because the gov't won't allow it in the media.
I would however like to know what these "pressures" are that you talk about though.
Have you seen the financial statistics for print journalism recently? We're bleeding here.
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TV is mindless brain candy. Nothing more. Nothing less. Anybody who thinks Katie Couric is a legitimate journalist is a fool. You know it's bad when you have to dig up Kronkite's corpse to lend yourself some credibility
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enlightening those who wouldnt think twice before voting for their party i think can in no way be looked at as destructive. to me and you.... who think beyond black and white maybe...but we understand there are more to arguments than just saying broad statements...there are details
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I agree with you. Basically its' not the media's job to hold the government accountable - people should be doing that themselves by thinkng critically about issues. Unfortunatly that is a skill few people develop. Now the media seems only to oppurtunistically distort news under the guise of 'delivering' it to the people.