Too bad he didn’t do anything about it when he first took office (when the CIA and FBI were finally on the same page, agreeing that Al-Qaeda WAS responsible for the USS Cole attacks). Too bad they didn’t take anything president Clinton left them to continue his fight against Osama Bin Laden seriously. Too bad he demoted Richard Clark. Too bad he didn't take much about terrorist seriously until after 9/11. And too bad after 9/11 all that the president saw was a way to go to Iraq and a way to take advantage of a vulnerable, fearful country to gain support so he could execute his own personal agenda that he had since day one of being in office.
and too bad clinton didnt get him when they attacked us AT HOME in 1993. thats a full 7 years before bush came along
and too bad clinton didnt get him when they attacked us AT HOME in 1993. thats a full 7 years before bush came along
Nobody knew of an Al-Qaeda in 1993.
And nobody knew that Al-Qaeda had anything to do with Black Hawk Down in Somalia. And the right-wingers then didn’t think we should have been there and wanted to leave the next day. Clinton stayed and had an orderly change over to the UN.
Clinton did more before 9/11 to curtail Al-Qaeda. He tried and failed, but as President Clinton puts it, at least he tried. It was more than the current administration did before 9/11.
Can you tell us what the current administration did to be proactive before 9/11?
And nobody knew that Al-Qaeda had anything to do with Black Hawk Down in Somalia. And the right-wingers then didn’t think we should have been there and wanted to leave the next day. Clinton stayed and had an orderly change over to the UN.
Clinton did more before 9/11 to curtail Al-Qaeda. He tried and failed, but as President Clinton puts it, at least he tried. It was more than the current administration did before 9/11.
Can you tell us what the current administration did to be proactive before 9/11?
o i disagree. when they attacked the WTC in 1993 everyone knew of el queda. clinton threw up some missles into afgahistan, missed osama, knew they missed, and thought that was enough to scare him or something.
bush was in office barely 8 months before we were attacked on 9/11. I dont know what could have been done in those 8 months to get him. invade afgahistan based on an attack that happened 7 years prior? sure that would have been nice.
I think most people accomplish a lot in their jobs in 8 months.
Bush had a sweet vacation.
Who goes on vacation as soon as they get hired anyway?
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What employer will grant you a vacation even 3 months into your job? None.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Not true. That person brings up a fine point. GW felt it necessary to take a month long vacation after winning the election when clearly there were a lot more pressing issues that he should have been dealing with....like the current terrorist threats.
Not true. That person brings up a fine point. GW felt it necessary to take a month long vacation after winning the election when clearly there were a lot more pressing issues that he should have been dealing with....like the current terrorist threats.
and did you know six months into clintons term he took a 3 week vacation to martha vineyard? all presidents pull that shit. they work from the "second white houses" if all we are going to talk about is vacation time, i'll find better places to discuss real issues.
o i disagree. when they attacked the WTC in 1993 everyone knew of el queda. clinton threw up some missles into afgahistan, missed osama, knew they missed, and thought that was enough to scare him or something.
bush was in office barely 8 months before we were attacked on 9/11. I dont know what could have been done in those 8 months to get him. invade afgahistan based on an attack that happened 7 years prior? sure that would have been nice.
Not true about Al-Qaeda in 1993. Osama, yes. Al-Qaeda, no.
It's obvious you don't know what he could have done in the 8 months before 9/11 and you will defend Bush's every last lack of moves he didn't make when HE could have....but so clearly didn't even try.
Clinton was president when it was all coming to light for everyone involved and the facts are clear on everything he did try to do. And he admitted that he obviously failed.....but you cannot deny that he did try. Which is 100 times more than Bush did when he took office.
How can you defend Bush's lack of ANY effort whatsoever before 9/11 to combat the clear and obvious threat of terrorism?
And how can you or anyone defend his decision to go to war with Iraq and deceiving the American people with treating Iraq as the same war?
You have already admitted (I believe) that you do not support (or something like that) the war in Iraq as the war on terrorism....so you have to see how the wasted time, money, and resources we have poured into Iraq would have and could have been spent so much more wisely on the actual war on terrorism. And you bet that is on Bush’s shoulders.
EDIT: I just re-read your statement about your opinion on the Iraq war and the war on terror. You said that it doesn't have to do with terrorism anymore....but that it did before. Do you mean before we invaded or after we invaded? Because that's what's at issue here. I feel it has been a huge waste of resources to go to Iraq in the first place. How do you feel about that?
those brave solider you speak of are there by choice. they expect to be attacked. not sure what you point was.
So a soldier life is less valuable than a civilian’s? Choose to be there or not, we have surpassed the death toll from 9/11. I am not sure what your point was. But, you making excuses for the deaths of soldiers in a war that was unjust, so simply and brazenly as, “they expect to be attacked,” says a lot about your character. And, that tells me, as you so easily accuse me of having a bias opinion, you are the one with the typical bias right-winger opinion.
those dumb luck? how about the countless attacks that have been stopped? plans un-covered? how do you have any idea about the safety of our water supply? or electical grid? or nuclear plants?
airports arent safer? seem safer too me. all check bags are scanned and most of us know who travel what little you are allowed to bring on an airplane.
in chicago for example, we have the country largest water treatment plant. get that? largest in the country. it sits on the lake next to navy pier. both are right on the lakefront next to downtown chicago. security it extremely tight there. no cars can get near it and security guards are always visible.
Dumb luck, my friend. The Bush administration hasn’t implemented the majority of the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission report.
The airports seem safer to you…..hahaha, oh well, if they feel safer to you, then what am I worried about? That’s a joke. Hassling my grandmother about her shoes, and not letting her take her shampoo on a plane has saved thousands of lives!!! Oh yeah, that has made the difference.
those I said "left wing bais" because you fail to acknowledge both of the facts I presented simply becuae you are liberal.
fact one. we have not been attacked since 9/11. some have tried and failed.
You crossed the line and severely showed your lack of intelligence. Don’t you ever even pretend to think you know how or why I think the way that I do. Believe it or not, I am actually capable (and exercise it on a daily basis) to study the fact, take out the spin, and make my own decisions. You should try it.
I didn’t fail to acknowledge shit! This world is more unsafe now than it was 5 years ago. I will not concede that just because the United States hasn’t been attacked since 9/11 that we are safe and that Bush deserves any kind of pat on the back for his job as president. Terrorism is way up from 5 years ago around the world. It is only time until we are attacked again right here in the good ol’ US of A.
fact 2. our economy is very strong. did you see the dow today? probably not, it soared past an ALL time high.
Oh yeah buddy, I read all about the record high closing mark on the dow today. That’s fantastic; but not to Bush’s credit. That is only because the American people are choosing to spend money, which creates a good economy.
But, like I have also pointed, if we are going to talk about the economy, we have to mention that we are now 8 trillion dollars in debt. Good times!
But, our dollar is strengthening, and should continue to do so. But, here’s the kicker; experts credit that to the upcoming elections.
if all we are going to talk about is vacation time, i'll find better places to discuss real issues.
Don't be such a drama queen. We have talked about a lot more than that and you know it.
But, on the two things you claim as your "points" on the good things Bush has done....I have got a list a mile fucking long of serious fuck up's on the Bush Administration's shoulder. Serious fuck up's that have cost us thousands, and thousands of lives. Really, the pros and cons for Bush do not equal out. The cons severely out weigh the pros. I think that is the biggest point to this thread. Thanks for helping prove that point.
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Economy is in pretty good shape
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Our country has not been attacked since Sept 11th. would you argue Bush had NOTHING to do with that fact?
We were atacked WHILE Bush was in office. He did a great job at taking a month long vacation right before 9/11 just after 7 months in office. He did a great job ignoring proper intelligence and not taking threats seriously. Now he's doing a great job following bad intelligence and ruining the country.
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nope sorry not for me. I live and work in downtown chicago. I work less then 1 block from the sears tower. I live blocks from a federal building. the 95 story trump building is going up next to me. I take the subway or some for of public transportation daily. I travel, by plane, domestic and internationally at least once a month. the sears tower, more then once, has been in plans by el queda to be attacked.
security is an issue. for you on the farm? no your safe, dont worry
That's a reasonable point. But, then, I have to ask: what was the sense in diverting homeland security funding away from urban areas like New York and funnelling them into more rural areas in places like the Carolinas (and not the metropolitan areas of the Carolinas, either)?
So a soldier life is less valuable than a civilian’s? Choose to be there or not, we have surpassed the death toll from 9/11. I am not sure what your point was. But, you making excuses for the deaths of soldiers in a war that was unjust, so simply and brazenly as, “they expect to be attacked,” says a lot about your character. And, that tells me, as you so easily accuse me of having a bias opinion, you are the one with the typical bias right-winger opinion.
don't tell me I'm crossing the line. dont make ridiculous assumptions. soliders do expect to be attacked. civillians, like me, do not. thats why they are the bravest people in the world. tell me what does it say about my chartacter? dont try to make me look like some heartless asshole. try something better then the "I know you are but what am I" comebacks.
The airports seem safer to you…..hahaha, oh well, if they feel safer to you, then what am I worried about? That’s a joke. Hassling my grandmother about her shoes, and not letting her take her shampoo on a plane has saved thousands of lives!!! Oh yeah, that has made the difference.
actaully thousands of lives have been saved. have plans to blow up planes been stopped? yes they have. are terrorists less likely to bring a bomb in theri check in bags? can they get a box cuter on board? wake up dude.
You crossed the line and severely showed your lack of intelligence. Don’t you ever even pretend to think you know how or why I think the way that I do. Believe it or not, I am actually capable (and exercise it on a daily basis) to study the fact, take out the spin, and make my own decisions. You should try it.
severely showed my lack of itelligence? how so? or you just get a kick out of making people look and feel like shit? eye for an eye i guess
I didn’t fail to acknowledge shit! This world is more unsafe now than it was 5 years ago. I will not concede that just because the United States hasn’t been attacked since 9/11 that we are safe and that Bush deserves any kind of pat on the back for his job as president. Terrorism is way up from 5 years ago around the world. It is only time until we are attacked again right here in the good ol’ US of A.
again you should try to listen. did I say the world is safer? no, I said we havnt been attacked since 9/11. take a deep breath and fucking listen to what I say. you would be the first one to blame him IF we were attacked due to his "lack of listening to the 9/11 commission recommendations" as you say.
Oh yeah buddy, I read all about the record high closing mark on the dow today. That’s fantastic; but not to Bush’s credit. That is only because the American people are choosing to spend money, which creates a good economy.
again, if we were in a rescession, who would you blame? dont fucking tell me you would blame the american people for NOT spending money. the american people got theat money to spend from bush's tax cuts.
But, our dollar is strengthening, and should continue to do so. But, here’s the kicker; experts credit that to the upcoming elections.
what a cop out. i'm sure you believe oil pices are dropping because of the election too. how many experts attribute it to a strong economy? I wonder....
EDIT: animal, let me just tell you. I respect your opinion, we both have taken cheap shots at each other, lets try and keep it civil. me included.
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and too bad clinton didnt get him when they attacked us AT HOME in 1993. thats a full 7 years before bush came along
And nobody knew that Al-Qaeda had anything to do with Black Hawk Down in Somalia. And the right-wingers then didn’t think we should have been there and wanted to leave the next day. Clinton stayed and had an orderly change over to the UN.
Clinton did more before 9/11 to curtail Al-Qaeda. He tried and failed, but as President Clinton puts it, at least he tried. It was more than the current administration did before 9/11.
Can you tell us what the current administration did to be proactive before 9/11?
o i disagree. when they attacked the WTC in 1993 everyone knew of el queda. clinton threw up some missles into afgahistan, missed osama, knew they missed, and thought that was enough to scare him or something.
bush was in office barely 8 months before we were attacked on 9/11. I dont know what could have been done in those 8 months to get him. invade afgahistan based on an attack that happened 7 years prior? sure that would have been nice.
Bush had a sweet vacation.
Who goes on vacation as soon as they get hired anyway?
you bring nothing to the discussion
I'm bringing common sense.
What employer will grant you a vacation even 3 months into your job? None.
and did you know six months into clintons term he took a 3 week vacation to martha vineyard? all presidents pull that shit. they work from the "second white houses" if all we are going to talk about is vacation time, i'll find better places to discuss real issues.
It's obvious you don't know what he could have done in the 8 months before 9/11 and you will defend Bush's every last lack of moves he didn't make when HE could have....but so clearly didn't even try.
Clinton was president when it was all coming to light for everyone involved and the facts are clear on everything he did try to do. And he admitted that he obviously failed.....but you cannot deny that he did try. Which is 100 times more than Bush did when he took office.
How can you defend Bush's lack of ANY effort whatsoever before 9/11 to combat the clear and obvious threat of terrorism?
And how can you or anyone defend his decision to go to war with Iraq and deceiving the American people with treating Iraq as the same war?
You have already admitted (I believe) that you do not support (or something like that) the war in Iraq as the war on terrorism....so you have to see how the wasted time, money, and resources we have poured into Iraq would have and could have been spent so much more wisely on the actual war on terrorism. And you bet that is on Bush’s shoulders.
EDIT: I just re-read your statement about your opinion on the Iraq war and the war on terror. You said that it doesn't have to do with terrorism anymore....but that it did before. Do you mean before we invaded or after we invaded? Because that's what's at issue here. I feel it has been a huge waste of resources to go to Iraq in the first place. How do you feel about that?
Dumb luck, my friend. The Bush administration hasn’t implemented the majority of the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission report.
The airports seem safer to you…..hahaha, oh well, if they feel safer to you, then what am I worried about? That’s a joke. Hassling my grandmother about her shoes, and not letting her take her shampoo on a plane has saved thousands of lives!!! Oh yeah, that has made the difference.
You crossed the line and severely showed your lack of intelligence. Don’t you ever even pretend to think you know how or why I think the way that I do. Believe it or not, I am actually capable (and exercise it on a daily basis) to study the fact, take out the spin, and make my own decisions. You should try it.
I didn’t fail to acknowledge shit! This world is more unsafe now than it was 5 years ago. I will not concede that just because the United States hasn’t been attacked since 9/11 that we are safe and that Bush deserves any kind of pat on the back for his job as president. Terrorism is way up from 5 years ago around the world. It is only time until we are attacked again right here in the good ol’ US of A.
Oh yeah buddy, I read all about the record high closing mark on the dow today. That’s fantastic; but not to Bush’s credit. That is only because the American people are choosing to spend money, which creates a good economy.
But, like I have also pointed, if we are going to talk about the economy, we have to mention that we are now 8 trillion dollars in debt. Good times!
But, our dollar is strengthening, and should continue to do so. But, here’s the kicker; experts credit that to the upcoming elections.
But, on the two things you claim as your "points" on the good things Bush has done....I have got a list a mile fucking long of serious fuck up's on the Bush Administration's shoulder. Serious fuck up's that have cost us thousands, and thousands of lives. Really, the pros and cons for Bush do not equal out. The cons severely out weigh the pros. I think that is the biggest point to this thread. Thanks for helping prove that point.
Economy is in pretty good shape
Laura gets laid now and then
We were atacked WHILE Bush was in office. He did a great job at taking a month long vacation right before 9/11 just after 7 months in office. He did a great job ignoring proper intelligence and not taking threats seriously. Now he's doing a great job following bad intelligence and ruining the country.
don't tell me I'm crossing the line. dont make ridiculous assumptions. soliders do expect to be attacked. civillians, like me, do not. thats why they are the bravest people in the world. tell me what does it say about my chartacter? dont try to make me look like some heartless asshole. try something better then the "I know you are but what am I" comebacks.
really? so if he did would we be safer?
actaully thousands of lives have been saved. have plans to blow up planes been stopped? yes they have. are terrorists less likely to bring a bomb in theri check in bags? can they get a box cuter on board? wake up dude.
severely showed my lack of itelligence? how so? or you just get a kick out of making people look and feel like shit? eye for an eye i guess
again you should try to listen. did I say the world is safer? no, I said we havnt been attacked since 9/11. take a deep breath and fucking listen to what I say. you would be the first one to blame him IF we were attacked due to his "lack of listening to the 9/11 commission recommendations" as you say.
again, if we were in a rescession, who would you blame? dont fucking tell me you would blame the american people for NOT spending money. the american people got theat money to spend from bush's tax cuts.
with a good eonomy debt can be paid back. if you going to use the debbt excuse at least try to show why debt is bad.
what a cop out. i'm sure you believe oil pices are dropping because of the election too. how many experts attribute it to a strong economy? I wonder....
EDIT: animal, let me just tell you. I respect your opinion, we both have taken cheap shots at each other, lets try and keep it civil. me included.