List Good things the current President has done while he is in office here.

aNiMaL

jlew24asu wrote:

those brave solider you speak of are there by choice. they expect to be attacked. not sure what you point was.

So a soldier life is less valuable than a civilian’s? Choose to be there or not, we have surpassed the death toll from 9/11. I am not sure what your point was. But, you making excuses for the deaths of soldiers in a war that was unjust, so simply and brazenly as, “they expect to be attacked,” says a lot about your character. And, that tells me, as you so easily accuse me of having a bias opinion, you are the one with the typical bias right-winger opinion.

jlew24asu wrote:

those dumb luck? how about the countless attacks that have been stopped? plans un-covered? how do you have any idea about the safety of our water supply? or electical grid? or nuclear plants?

airports arent safer? seem safer too me. all check bags are scanned and most of us know who travel what little you are allowed to bring on an airplane.

in chicago for example, we have the country largest water treatment plant. get that? largest in the country. it sits on the lake next to navy pier. both are right on the lakefront next to downtown chicago. security it extremely tight there. no cars can get near it and security guards are always visible.

Dumb luck, my friend. The Bush administration hasn’t implemented the majority of the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission report.

The airports seem safer to you…..hahaha, oh well, if they feel safer to you, then what am I worried about? That’s a joke. Hassling my grandmother about her shoes, and not letting her take her shampoo on a plane has saved thousands of lives!!! Oh yeah, that has made the difference.

jlew24asu wrote:

those I said "left wing bais" because you fail to acknowledge both of the facts I presented simply becuae you are liberal.

fact one. we have not been attacked since 9/11. some have tried and failed.

You crossed the line and severely showed your lack of intelligence. Don’t you ever even pretend to think you know how or why I think the way that I do. Believe it or not, I am actually capable (and exercise it on a daily basis) to study the fact, take out the spin, and make my own decisions. You should try it.

I didn’t fail to acknowledge shit! This world is more unsafe now than it was 5 years ago. I will not concede that just because the United States hasn’t been attacked since 9/11 that we are safe and that Bush deserves any kind of pat on the back for his job as president. Terrorism is way up from 5 years ago around the world. It is only time until we are attacked again right here in the good ol’ US of A.

jlew24asu wrote:

fact 2. our economy is very strong. did you see the dow today? probably not, it soared past an ALL time high.

Oh yeah buddy, I read all about the record high closing mark on the dow today. That’s fantastic; but not to Bush’s credit. That is only because the American people are choosing to spend money, which creates a good economy.

But, like I have also pointed, if we are going to talk about the economy, we have to mention that we are now 8 trillion dollars in debt. Good times!

But, our dollar is strengthening, and should continue to do so. But, here’s the kicker; experts credit that to the upcoming elections.

aNiMaL

jlew24asu wrote:

if all we are going to talk about is vacation time, i'll find better places to discuss real issues.

Don't be such a drama queen. We have talked about a lot more than that and you know it.

But, on the two things you claim as your "points" on the good things Bush has done....I have got a list a mile fucking long of serious fuck up's on the Bush Administration's shoulder. Serious fuck up's that have cost us thousands, and thousands of lives. Really, the pros and cons for Bush do not equal out. The cons severely out weigh the pros. I think that is the biggest point to this thread. Thanks for helping prove that point.

WindNoSail

Tax cuts
Economy is in pretty good shape
Laura gets laid now and then

evenkat

jlew24asu wrote:

Our country has not been attacked since Sept 11th. would you argue Bush had NOTHING to do with that fact?

We were atacked WHILE Bush was in office. He did a great job at taking a month long vacation right before 9/11 just after 7 months in office. He did a great job ignoring proper intelligence and not taking threats seriously. Now he's doing a great job following bad intelligence and ruining the country.

RainDog

jlew24asu wrote:

nope sorry not for me. I live and work in downtown chicago. I work less then 1 block from the sears tower. I live blocks from a federal building. the 95 story trump building is going up next to me. I take the subway or some for of public transportation daily. I travel, by plane, domestic and internationally at least once a month. the sears tower, more then once, has been in plans by el queda to be attacked.

security is an issue. for you on the farm? no your safe, dont worry

That's a reasonable point. But, then, I have to ask: what was the sense in diverting homeland security funding away from urban areas like New York and funnelling them into more rural areas in places like the Carolinas (and not the metropolitan areas of the Carolinas, either)?

jlew24asu

aNiMaL wrote:

So a soldier life is less valuable than a civilian’s? Choose to be there or not, we have surpassed the death toll from 9/11. I am not sure what your point was. But, you making excuses for the deaths of soldiers in a war that was unjust, so simply and brazenly as, “they expect to be attacked,” says a lot about your character. And, that tells me, as you so easily accuse me of having a bias opinion, you are the one with the typical bias right-winger opinion.

don't tell me I'm crossing the line. dont make ridiculous assumptions. soliders do expect to be attacked. civillians, like me, do not. thats why they are the bravest people in the world. tell me what does it say about my chartacter? dont try to make me look like some heartless asshole. try something better then the "I know you are but what am I" comebacks.

aNiMaL wrote:

Dumb luck, my friend. The Bush administration hasn’t implemented the majority of the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission report..

really? so if he did would we be safer?

aNiMaL wrote:

The airports seem safer to you…..hahaha, oh well, if they feel safer to you, then what am I worried about? That’s a joke. Hassling my grandmother about her shoes, and not letting her take her shampoo on a plane has saved thousands of lives!!! Oh yeah, that has made the difference.

actaully thousands of lives have been saved. have plans to blow up planes been stopped? yes they have. are terrorists less likely to bring a bomb in theri check in bags? can they get a box cuter on board? wake up dude.

aNiMaL wrote:

You crossed the line and severely showed your lack of intelligence. Don’t you ever even pretend to think you know how or why I think the way that I do. Believe it or not, I am actually capable (and exercise it on a daily basis) to study the fact, take out the spin, and make my own decisions. You should try it.

severely showed my lack of itelligence? how so? or you just get a kick out of making people look and feel like shit? eye for an eye i guess

aNiMaL wrote:

I didn’t fail to acknowledge shit! This world is more unsafe now than it was 5 years ago. I will not concede that just because the United States hasn’t been attacked since 9/11 that we are safe and that Bush deserves any kind of pat on the back for his job as president. Terrorism is way up from 5 years ago around the world. It is only time until we are attacked again right here in the good ol’ US of A.

again you should try to listen. did I say the world is safer? no, I said we havnt been attacked since 9/11. take a deep breath and fucking listen to what I say. you would be the first one to blame him IF we were attacked due to his "lack of listening to the 9/11 commission recommendations" as you say.

aNiMaL wrote:

Oh yeah buddy, I read all about the record high closing mark on the dow today. That’s fantastic; but not to Bush’s credit. That is only because the American people are choosing to spend money, which creates a good economy.

again, if we were in a rescession, who would you blame? dont fucking tell me you would blame the american people for NOT spending money. the american people got theat money to spend from bush's tax cuts.

aNiMaL wrote:

But, like I have also pointed, if we are going to talk about the economy, we have to mention that we are now 8 trillion dollars in debt. Good times!

with a good eonomy debt can be paid back. if you going to use the debbt excuse at least try to show why debt is bad.

aNiMaL wrote:

But, our dollar is strengthening, and should continue to do so. But, here’s the kicker; experts credit that to the upcoming elections.

what a cop out. i'm sure you believe oil pices are dropping because of the election too. how many experts attribute it to a strong economy? I wonder....




EDIT: animal, let me just tell you. I respect your opinion, we both have taken cheap shots at each other, lets try and keep it civil. me included.