Going to war with Iran.

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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,054
    Cosmo wrote:
    The bottom line...
    The message the Bush Administration has sent out...
    "If you don't have Nuclear Weapons... we will attack you. So, the best way for us to negotiate with you is for you to acquire Nuclear Weapons."
    ...
    Ummmm... is it just me... or does that make no sense at all?

    It makes sense if you want to prevent a nuclear war instead of starting one.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,054
    spiral out wrote:
    America is very civallised, keep telling yourself that.

    Can you even tell what the war is for?

    The Iraqis' hearts and minds silly.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,054
    Iraq has left our military severely weakened. Iraq has also shown that the American public is turning into a bunch pussies. That is a bad combination in convincing Iran to stop its nuclear weapon program.
  • The Iraq war...biggest American political catastrophe in 100 years.

    The first cluster fuck isn't even over yet...and now they want to go again?

    give me a fucking break...

    what a laugh...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Cosmo wrote:
    The bottom line...
    The message the Bush Administration has sent out...
    "If you don't have Nuclear Weapons... we will attack you. So, the best way for us to negotiate with you is for you to acquire Nuclear Weapons."
    ...
    Ummmm... is it just me... or does that make no sense at all?

    Nah, it's just you cosmo.............



    unless you read some of the posts I made to this effect a few weeks ago, in which case, it's me too !!!!
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,054
    The Iraq war...biggest American political catastrophe in 100 years.

    The first cluster fuck isn't even over yet...and now they want to go again?

    give me a fucking break...

    what a laugh...

    Hopefully it is just air strikes. But we are getting ahead of ourselves at this point. Just think though if we had the diplomatic support of Russia, France, and China. That alliance right there could remove a lot of the current turmoil. Just diplomatic support could help, not even military support (we don't need their military support).
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Iraq has left our military severely weakened. Iraq has also shown that the American public is turning into a bunch pussies. That is a bad combination in convincing Iran to stop its nuclear weapon program.
    ...
    How is the American Public a 'Bunch Of Pussies'? For not supporting a War of Choice? And you're NOT a pussy if you support a bad decision followed with one huge mistake after another that strands your military in a Religious Based Civil War? So what, you're an Idiot or a Pussy... right?
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  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    spiral out wrote:
    America only goes to war to make money. You've started plenty over a longer period of time.
    spiral out wrote:
    America is very civallised, keep telling yourself that.

    Can you even tell what the war is for?

    Hey londoners, make sure you include your country and you as its citzens in your list of money grubbing war-mongers, there's plenty of "blame" left over for you ;)

    England only goes to war along with us for what??

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I support Donald Trump's view of the war.

    If America had taken 9/11 and not retaliated. America would have earned greater popularity on the world stage. The move to "get 'em" has back-fired, no one has been got and more hatred and terrorism is breeding in the middle-east. The move to Iraq severly undermined any efforts to increase America's popularity.
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  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    How is the American Public a 'Bunch Of Pussies'? For not supporting a War of Choice? And you're NOT a pussy if you support a bad decision followed with one huge mistake after another that strands your military in a Religious Based Civil War? So what, you're an Idiot or a Pussy... right?

    You're half right, because one half of the American public IS a bunch of pussies. Guess which one. :p
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  • Hopefully it is just air strikes. But we are getting ahead of ourselves at this point. Just think though if we had the diplomatic support of Russia, France, and China. That alliance right there could remove a lot of the current turmoil. Just diplomatic support could help, not even military support (we don't need their military support).


    Maybe Iran will be different...lol

    Occupying countries is never a big hit anymore these days for some reason...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    You're half right, because one half of the American public IS a bunch of pussies. Guess which one. :p
    ...
    The half that realizes that the President made a huge mistake by shifting focus away from Afghanistan by lying about intelligence reports to the American people so he could complete his personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein on the cheap which allowed an insurgency to take root due to the lack of troops required to secure the country and failed to listen to the military leaders in the field about troop levels and security requirements and instead, tried to make Iraq a secondary issue, behind Gay Marriages and the insignificance and worthlessness of Navy Bronze Stars and Purple Hearts and that over 3,000 American soldier's lives and 500 Billion tax payer dollars poured onto a tire fire in the Middle East is 'unacceptable losses'?
    Do I get a Gold Star?
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    You're half right, because one half of the American public IS a bunch of pussies. Guess which one. :p
    Lemme guess .... the half that were so afraid of the boogie man terrorists that they were happy to sacrifice their civil rights so that Daddy George and Daddy Dick would protect them?
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  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    hippiemom wrote:
    Lemme guess .... the half that were so afraid of the boogie man terrorists that they were happy to sacrifice their civil rights so that Daddy George and Daddy Dick would protect them?

    Good answer :)
  • Oh save us lord Bush....save us from the mean baddies!

    *pee puddles pants*

    .
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    hippiemom wrote:
    Lemme guess .... the half that were so afraid of the boogie man terrorists that they were happy to sacrifice their civil rights so that Daddy George and Daddy Dick would protect them?
    ...
    Or... I guess that people who think that pouring more lives and money on a bad mistake is a bigger mistake are pussies.
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  • Evolution has factored into mankind a base level of intelligence...like fear of heights...fire is hot...hitting your thumb with a hammer hurts...shooting yourself in the foot also not good...etc...

    Interesting to see the erosion of this process today..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
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  • NCfanNCfan Posts: 945
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I support Donald Trump's view of the war.

    If America had taken 9/11 and not retaliated. America would have earned greater popularity on the world stage. The move to "get 'em" has back-fired, no one has been got and more hatred and terrorism is breeding in the middle-east. The move to Iraq severly undermined any efforts to increase America's popularity.

    That's pretty interesting, I hadn't heard that before. The move to "get 'em" has backfired but only becuase it was poorly managed and implemented. Had we captured Osama and waged a successful war and fostered a peaceful, democratic regime change in Iraq - then it would be a wild success with all kinds of positive reverbirations across the Middle East and the world.

    The reason it didn't happen is becuase our world has evolved, become more liberal since the last great military action of the 1940's. This isn't necessarily a bad thing in my view, in fact I think it's a pretty good thing actually. But when it comes to fighting a war in a manor that requires large-scale sacrifice and mass killing to acheive political goals - having a liberal mind-set isn't going to help.

    If we had a real, true and respected leader, maybe he could have made the case and brought the world along with him. Instead, we had George W Bush try to pull this off...
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    NCfan wrote:
    That's pretty interesting, I hadn't heard that before. The move to "get 'em" has backfired but only becuase it was poorly managed and implemented. Had we captured Osama and waged a successful war and fostered a peaceful, democratic regime change in Iraq - then it would be a wild success with all kinds of positive reverbirations across the Middle East and the world.
    That's a lot of 'if's' Lone Ranger, said Tonto.
    The reason it didn't happen is becuase our world has evolved, become more liberal since the last great military action of the 1940's. This isn't necessarily a bad thing in my view, in fact I think it's a pretty good thing actually. But when it comes to fighting a war in a manor that requires large-scale sacrifice and mass killing to acheive political goals - having a liberal mind-set isn't going to help.
    You're at it again, Cousin It.
    If we had a real, true and respected leader, maybe he could have made the case and brought the world along with him. Instead, we had George W Bush try to pull this off...

    Pull what off?

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  • DerrickDerrick Posts: 475
    In all seriousness, America has dug such a deep hole in the middle east that they will NEVER be able to leave. They still have bases in Germany. They will need a permanent presence in Iraq. Get used to it folks.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Drew263 wrote:
    EK..

    Been meaning to ask you..I saw an article recently where the head of PNAC is throwing his support behind Obama..found that interesting. Have you seen that?


    no, i didn't...that's interesting.

    i saw liberman, who was obama's mentor and who obama campaigned for, is hosting a fundraiser for a republican
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    WWIII


    Iran/Russia/Rogue Armies

    vs.

    U.S./Great Britain/France

    israel and afganistan will be lost


    as well as cuba and the ukraine
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    macgyver06 wrote:
    WWIII


    Iran/Russia/Rogue Armies

    vs.

    U.S./Great Britain/France

    israel and afganistan will be lost


    as well as cuba and the ukraine

    Where does Tahiti fit in all of this, coz I plan to be laying back there sipping Pina coladas if/when the shit hits the fan.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Where does Tahiti fit in all of this, coz I plan to be laying back there sipping Pina coladas if/when the shit hits the fan.


    tahiti will become irelands vacation land :)

    how??


    potato artillery of the future!
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    macgyver06 wrote:
    tahiti will become irelands vacation land :)

    how??


    potato artillery of the future!

    Potato artillery? The Irish are fucked then. You can't grow potatoes on desert Islands. I'll be ready and waiting for them with my coconut artillery barrage.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    NCfan wrote:
    That's pretty interesting, I hadn't heard that before. The move to "get 'em" has backfired but only becuase it was poorly managed and implemented. Had we captured Osama and waged a successful war and fostered a peaceful, democratic regime change in Iraq - then it would be a wild success with all kinds of positive reverbirations across the Middle East and the world.

    The reason it didn't happen is becuase our world has evolved, become more liberal since the last great military action of the 1940's. This isn't necessarily a bad thing in my view, in fact I think it's a pretty good thing actually. But when it comes to fighting a war in a manor that requires large-scale sacrifice and mass killing to acheive political goals - having a liberal mind-set isn't going to help.

    If we had a real, true and respected leader, maybe he could have made the case and brought the world along with him. Instead, we had George W Bush try to pull this off...

    Liberalism and the policital situation at home has almost nothing to do with foreign policy abroad. The US has entered a liberal phase...a neo-liberalism, a corporate welfare state, but that has very little affect on policy abroad. If anything it makes it more hawkish. the war profteers run Washington, etc.
  • puremagic wrote:
    Sure, as soon as they find a way to link the kidnapping of the U.S. soldiers on Iran, I think they'll do something to see what kind of reaction they get. I wouldn't be surprised if they go for a blockade for search and seizure, Cheney don't do surprises and the British weren't lost.

    No they weren't. They were in Iraqi waters. Alright I only have their word for it but I'd even take Alex Ferguson's word over armij what's his face.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    No they weren't. They were in Iraqi waters. Alright I only have their word for it but I'd even take Alex Ferguson's word over armij what's his face.



    your signature is retarted.
  • macgyver06 wrote:
    your signature is retarted.

    1) No it isn't

    2) You can't spell

    3) Your post has no relevance to this thread so piss off out of it

    4) That you use mental illness as an insult makes you SCUM.
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