Going to war with Iran.
macgyver06
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Anyone think Kim Jong Crazy is gonna get in on the action?
definitely WWIII talks going on now.. all this anti-iran stuff being fed to us through the media.
this blows.
P.S. brought to you by our administration which also told us to not like the French for some odd fucking reason?? our allies forever...
definitely WWIII talks going on now.. all this anti-iran stuff being fed to us through the media.
this blows.
P.S. brought to you by our administration which also told us to not like the French for some odd fucking reason?? our allies forever...
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What are you talking about??? We have been using all kinds of dipolomacy to deal with the Iranians. Nobody wants a war, okay? Not even Bush and the neo-cons.
Yep, I bet that's exactly what they'll do! Great thinking!!!
it would be interesting if Bush didnt have a say.
They thrive in war, that's their chosen profession (not as soldiers, mind you), why wouldn't they want war?
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Check out this excerpt from Jane's Intelligence Review about Iran's naval capabilities. You were right on the money! Our fucking Coast Gaurd could take out their so called navy. The only weapons they have that threaten our ships are mines and anti-ship missles. Do you enjoy sounding like an idiot?
Jane's stated that the regular Iranian navy currently is in
a state of "overall obsolescence," and has not
been equipped with modern ships and weapons. Iran's three
destroyers are over 50 years old and are not operational.
The readiness of the three 25-year-old frigates is "almost
non-existent," "Jane's" said And the two 30-year-old
corvettes do not have sophisticated weapons. Ten of 20
missile-equipped fast attack craft have "limited
operational readiness," and four of them are not seaworthy.
Only 10 Chinese-made Thodor-class craft are operationally
reliable. The four 30-year-old minesweepers are obsolete,
lack seaworthiness, and do not have a mine-sweeping
capability. Iran has many amphibious and auxiliary ships,
but these are "superfluous to requirements" and are used
purely for training personnel. Iran's ten hovercraft are
"old and used sparingly."
Nor does Iran have the airlift capability required for
offensive operations across the Persian Gulf. Also, its F-4
and Sukhoi SU-24MK Fencer aircraft are rendered less
effective due to weaknesses in maritime reconnaissance
capabilities. The Iranian navies do not have fixed-wing
combat aircraft, and the P-3 and C-130 reconnaissance
aircraft were purchased 25 years ago. All the naval air
assets suffer from parts shortages, worn avionics, and
ineffective maintenance.
There also are personnel problems. Iran's navy has
20,000 men, but according to "Jane's," they are young and
inexperienced, and most of them are riflemen and marines
based on Persian Gulf islands. And at higher levels, there
is fierce rivalry between the IRGC and regular navies for
scarce resources.
Due to these shortcomings, Iran's three Kilo-class
submarines would be vulnerable, according to "Jane's," and
they are limited to laying mines in undefended waters.
Mines, however, are one area in which Iran has made
advances. It can produce non-magnetic, free-floating, and
remote-controlled mines. It may have taken delivery of
pressure, acoustic, and magnetic mines from Russia. Also,
Iran is negotiating with China for rocket-propelled rising
mines.
Shhhhh.... be quiet. Remember, they really ARE a threat! Just like Saddam's Iraq was...
i wonder if any of those anti-ship missiles were part of the thousands of missiles we sold to iran in the 80's, ya know after they kidnapped all those americans?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Hail, Hail!!!
Was Cheney there to say goodbye to the men and women of the aircraft carrier? Did he make sure that Bush's nephew was on the carrier so that he could identify with the sacrifices of America. Are they willing to sacrifice more lives and a navy carrier just to ensure an all out first strike assualt on Iran?
The message the Bush Administration has sent out...
"If you don't have Nuclear Weapons... we will attack you. So, the best way for us to negotiate with you is for you to acquire Nuclear Weapons."
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Ummmm... is it just me... or does that make no sense at all?
Hail, Hail!!!
Been meaning to ask you..I saw an article recently where the head of PNAC is throwing his support behind Obama..found that interesting. Have you seen that?
...and they're soon gonna have nuclear weapons.
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With N. Korea they tried to do the "we're not negotiating with you" thing, since they had developed nuclear weapons - but the democrats thought Bush administration was being to inflexible.
...so, at least under the Bush admin, the least accessible they are is after a country acquires (or attempts to acquire) nuclear weapons.
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whats your motivation psycho path....i never said our navy would lose...but it would be war..unlike iraq was entering. YOU FOOL. IRAN IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE INSURGENCY IN IRAQ...which no one can still answer me who the fuck the insurgency is...
If so, then sweet, we should know how to counter/destroy/disable them. Good thinking 80's leaders.
I kinda took the message to be..................
"if you don't currently have nuclear capability, but you plan to attempt to attain it, we will ask you nicely 80 times to not do so, then, if pushed, and threatening you another 80 times doesnt work, and you ignore all pleas and attempts by the UN and other useless organizations, we will pre-emptively strike. " Just my interpretation of it, of course.
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American terrorism is ok for some reason... Lot's here subscribe to it...
dumb and blind they are...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and why, we thought these insurgents were no match for a real military and, yet, here we are 4 years later still over there fighting those so-called backwards, rock throwing, third world, desert camel jockeys - and dying. While high price mercenaries draw the girlie duty of protecting buildings and visitors. Kind of reminds you of high price athletes, worthless after the first injury and always blaming others.
Yea, if you say so mate.
Of course bush and his dumb croonies want war or they wouldn't keep starting them.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Does anything the bush administration do make sense?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
You said the Iranians had a navy that would rival ours. Only on this message board would I be the "psycho path" for calling you out on that. I'm sorry if that is not what you meant, but it is what you said.
The insurgents are no match for a real military. We just aren't allowed to use the weapons we have because the insurgents hide among the civillians and America is a civilized country that tries to limit civilian casualties.
If this were 1945, half of Iraq would be leveled on on fire but nobody would be resisting us either.
How do you get that message??? Seems to me Bush has been saying "don't try to get nukes, becuase if you do we will attack you. Let's try to work out an alternate solution where you can have nuclear technology - even your own reactor but the spent fuel rods must be sent to Russia for disposal and inspectors are allowed to monitor your nuclear programs."
And Iran's response has been "Fuck you, we'll do what we want becuase we know after Iraq the West has no stomach to stop us."
Sure, we just love war... that's why we have started all of 2 in the last 15 years.
America only goes to war to make money. You've started plenty over a longer period of time.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
America is very civallised, keep telling yourself that.
Can you even tell what the war is for?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
No... It's been all bullshit Lip Service.
Example:
It is UNACCEPTABLE for Iran to continue its desire to enrich uranium..
Iran enriches uranium... we do nothing. Isn't that called 'acceptable'?
It is UNACCEPTABLE for North Korea to test fire their missiles...
North Korea test fires their missiles... we do nothing. Isn't that called 'acceptable'?
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The message Bush has sent out is... America will attack you is you do not have Nuclear Weapons... get Nuclear Weapons so America will not attack you.
Hail, Hail!!!