Where is Powell and Rumsfeld :)

macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
its weird...guys that didnt do anything before put in a position of power...oh wait..what a concept...do nothing after they leave a position of power..

Jimmy Carter...regardless of what you think of him...is on the edge of death and still is active in the community...

lol... do some research next time you vote! you bunch of bums
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  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Have you thought of taking your research advice before posting?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    why?
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    It may make you appear a little more informed during your rants.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    my point is...when Bush leaves office...he will do what he did before he got in...nothhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhingggggggggggg

    except trrade away great baseball players for half assed prospects
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    macgyver06 wrote:
    its weird...guys that didnt do anything before put in a position of power...oh wait..what a concept...do nothing after they leave a position of power..

    Jimmy Carter...regardless of what you think of him...is on the edge of death and still is active in the community...

    lol... do some research next time you vote! you bunch of bums

    yeah, that Powell guy...never did anything worthy...and he's 70 now...why would he go on a keep doing things??

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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    great...send him back to the military?? lol
  • $100 buck says most those medals were for doing nothing more that showing up and playing along...

    you know....the good ol boys club..

    looks good on paper...but means not so much really...

    If you think otherwise you're only fooling yourself...
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  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    At least this thread is good for proving the worthlessness of this board.
  • At least this thread is good for proving the worthlessness of this board..........

    .........in pushing bullshit political agenda....

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    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    cough
  • They've already done enough damage to the world...the war mongering lunatics they are.

    good riddance...
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    They've already done enough damage to the world...the war mongering lunatics they are.

    good riddance...
    Correct if I'm wrong, but didn't Powell retire because he though invading Iraq was a bad idea?

    I've always liked Powell.. the rest are idiots.
  • Correct if I'm wrong, but didn't Powell retire because he though invading Iraq was a bad idea?

    I've always liked Powell.. the rest are idiots.

    Oh he puts in his cuts for pushing Iraq all right. He played it up beautifully.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Oh he puts in his cuts for pushing Iraq all right. He played it up beautifully.

    What does this mean? I can't parse the english. LikeAnOcean is right, btw, but I can't tell if you're agreeing with him or not.

    Powell, as a military guy, was pushing for a diplomatic solution rather than a military solution. Bush/Cheney obviously wanted to flex their dicks, and were at odds with Powell. He did the honorable thing and wiped his hands of the mess.
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  • jeffbr wrote:
    What does this mean? I can't parse the english. LikeAnOcean is right, btw, but I can't tell if you're agreeing with him or not.

    Powell, as a military guy, was pushing for a diplomatic solution rather than a military solution. Bush/Cheney obviously wanted to flex their dicks, and were at odds with Powell. He did the honorable thing and wiped his hands of the mess.

    He promoted the Iraq war just as well as any of them at one point, maybe the media ran the heck out of it like the holy grail (can't find the vid of it ), but it was very pro Iraq war.

    I'll give him credit by saying he probably does have a conscience, and in comparison does not seem as bad.
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  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    Correct if I'm wrong, but didn't Powell retire because he though invading Iraq was a bad idea?

    Well if he did, he did it after pushing for the invasion. I clearly recall him, in the UN, showing lame satellite pictures showing a yellow lorry truc as ultimate proof of the presence of wmd's in Iraq. And that the UN should approve the invasion. Fun times.
  • $100 buck says most those medals were for doing nothing more that showing up and playing along...

    you know....the good ol boys club..

    looks good on paper...but means not so much really...

    If you think otherwise you're only fooling yourself...

    Seriously? Yeah, someone rises to the rank of general, gets their jump wings, becomes a ranger and a bronze star for valor by just showing up and playing along... And the ol boys club historically isn't exactly open to them coloreds.

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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Roland is right here...and you all have no memories... junkies

    powell and rumsfeld pushed this harder than bush or cheney...


    has it been that long...lol


    and whoever couldnt understand his post..you probably shouldnt put that out there that you havent figured out the language yet... its pretty clear what he was saying.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    macgyver06 wrote:
    Roland is right here...and you all have no memories... junkies

    powell and rumsfeld pushed this harder than bush or cheney...


    has it been that long...lol


    and whoever couldnt understand his post..you probably shouldnt put that out there that you havent figured out the language yet... its pretty clear what he was saying.

    I bet it is to you, since you have your own, unique butchering of the language.

    If you think Powell was pushing harder than Bush/Cheney, explain Powell's disagreement with the administration. Explain Powell's exit from his diplomatic position.
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  • jeffbr wrote:
    If you think Powell was pushing harder than Bush/Cheney, explain Powell's disagreement with the administration. Explain Powell's exit from his diplomatic position.

    I'll never forgive Powell for going to the UN with a trumped up case that he knew was a trumped up case, but no one can really say that he pushed as hard as the neocons or was ideologically in agreement with them.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    I'll never forgive Powell for going to the UN with a trumped up case that he knew was a trumped up case, but no one can really say that he pushed as hard as the neocons or was ideologically in agreement with them.

    Agreed, he definitely compromised himself at the U.N., but he was acting in his capacity as the highest level diplomat in the US, and was towing the Bush/Cheney line. He wasn't the mastermind or propronent of the plan, he was simply the messenger. That doesn't excuse what he did, but I was simply arguing against the ridiculous position that he was more agressively in favor of the action than Bush/Cheney.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jeffbr wrote:
    Agreed, he definitely compromised himself at the U.N., but he was acting in his capacity as the highest level diplomat in the US, and was towing the Bush/Cheney line. He wasn't the mastermind or propronent of the plan, he was simply the messenger. That doesn't excuse what he did, but I was simply arguing against the ridiculous position that he was more agressively in favor of the action than Bush/Cheney.

    ok...find me footage of Cheny At the U.N. and find some of Bush.

    and i will show you videos i have of Powell And Rumsfeld... than you can decide..


    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

    they are all criminals guys..comon
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    macgyver06 wrote:
    ok...find me footage of Cheny At the U.N. and find some of Bush.

    and i will show you videos i have of Powell And Rumsfeld... than you can decide..


    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

    they are all criminals guys..comon

    You should take a little lesson in civics and government. It seems like you don't even understand the basic functions of the various offices. Of course it was Powell and not Cheney at the U.N. And I've already mentioned that Powell spoke at the U.N. Do you honestly think his speech at the U.N. was one of his own design? Do you really think he was the one who set the agenda for Bush/Cheney?
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  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    jeffbr wrote:
    What does this mean? I can't parse the english. LikeAnOcean is right, btw, but I can't tell if you're agreeing with him or not.

    Powell, as a military guy, was pushing for a diplomatic solution rather than a military solution. Bush/Cheney obviously wanted to flex their dicks, and were at odds with Powell. He did the honorable thing and wiped his hands of the mess.

    wrong-o!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Seriously? Yeah, someone rises to the rank of general, gets their jump wings, becomes a ranger and a bronze star for valor by just showing up and playing along... And the ol boys club historically isn't exactly open to them coloreds.

    What exactly have you accomplished in life?


    Well, I can tell you that I haven't been responsible for promoting a phony war, and killing many thousands of innocent children in the name of complete and utter bullshit.

    Sigh...maybe I need to set the bar higher...
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  • Powell said Bush accepted the resignation Friday, adding, "It has always been my intention that I would serve one term."

    -Look the source is CNN, not Alex Jones!
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  • Funny Google has essentially erased all reference fom 9/11 that put him in the pro Iraq war perspective.

    their used to be quite a few on the first few pages...

    interesting.

    Oh well...

    to the rest...go back to sleep...nothing to see here

    click on AET & go watch American Idol
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    jeffbr wrote:
    You should take a little lesson in civics and government. It seems like you don't even understand the basic functions of the various offices. Of course it was Powell and not Cheney at the U.N. And I've already mentioned that Powell spoke at the U.N. Do you honestly think his speech at the U.N. was one of his own design? Do you really think he was the one who set the agenda for Bush/Cheney?

    Powell was sent to the UN to speak on the behalf of the Bush/Cheney agenda soley on his extensive military record. They knew that this so called iron clad information coming from Powell wold be bought by the American Media and some of it's naive citizens and many did.

    I can remember what's his name Hanity saying "Slamdunk, Powell nailed it today" or some shit like that. Powell being a military guy knew what he was presenting was bullshit but went ahead anyway and to me that makes him as much as a culprit as with Iraqi blood on his hands as Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. It doesn't matter to me if he only wanted 1 term then leave or wash his bloody hands of the whole thing.

    As for Rommy he's probably back at his favorite spot Mount Misery.
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  • g under p wrote:
    Powell being a military guy knew what he was presenting was bullshit but went ahead anyway

    Straight from our favorite non-source, wikipedia:

    "Powell later admitted he had presented an inaccurate case to the United Nations on Iraqi weapons, and the intelligence he was relying on was, in some cases, "deliberately misleading."[43][44][45]



    JUST LIKE HE LIED ABOUT THE FIRST GULF WAR!

    After the war, Gen. Colin Powell admitted that there had been no massive build up. A US senior commander told Newsday after the war, "There was a great disinformation campaign surrounding this war." - source

    another mention of this, and a good read

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  • JamMastaEJamMastaE Posts: 444
    Collin Powell is a lying ass uncle tom shuffling his feet for "massa".

    I'm not saying his WHOLE military career was a lie.but once he got to the top they made him a token and he willingly obliged.

    Real black men who speak the truth get assassinated.just ask Malcolm X,MLK,Huey newton,Fred Hampton etc., etc., etc.
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