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What is Freedom?

macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
edited February 2007 in A Moving Train
it doesnt reside in the U.S.

where is it?
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  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    macgyver06 wrote:
    it doesnt reside in the U.S.

    where is it?

    What kind of freedom are you looking for?
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    i guess the biggest thing is.....

    freedom of making choices through conscience, not through law and fear.

    way to many time bombs out there, going unnoticed, following all the laws, gaining knowledge and power..


    with great power comes great responsibility...lol


    kaboom!
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    macgyver06 wrote:
    it doesnt reside in the U.S.

    where is it?


    I don't understand the question.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    I'd say outer space.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ya? :) to the moon baby!
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    After thinking about it, I'm actually serious. I mean, you're in outer space and free to do whatever the hell you want. If you got someone up there with you, you can do whatever you want to them (I'm not condoning going to space with someone and then fucking them over) and what's going to happen? They going to call the galaxy police on you? You can believe what you want, how you want, say what you want, and not have any laws or other people trying to exert authority on you.
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I'd say outer space.


    The only people getting to the moon first will be America. It'll be just as horrible there as it is here. It's 300 degrees in the sunlight and -300 degrees in the shade. I wonder what the global warming folks have to say about such drastic temperature changes on a daily basis.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    After thinking about it, I'm actually serious. I mean, you're in outer space and free to do whatever the hell you want. If you got someone up there with you, you can do whatever you want to them (I'm not condoning going to space with someone and then fucking them over) and what's going to happen? They going to call the galaxy police on you? You can believe what you want, how you want, say what you want, and not have any laws or other people trying to exert authority on you.

    It would work, except for the fact that it's impossible.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    The only people getting to the moon first will be America. It'll be just as horrible there as it is here. It's 300 degrees in the sunlight and -300 degrees in the shade. I wonder what the global warming folks have to say about such drastic temperature changes on a daily basis.



    I'm not talking about the future of moon civilizations. I was talking about an individual being able to find true freedom in space. You couldnt be able to do it, but there it is.
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Collin wrote:
    It would work, except for the fact that it's impossible.


    I know.

    Is absolute freedom impossible to achieve? I'd say it is.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I know.

    Is absolute freedom impossible to achieve? I'd say it is.

    I'd say there is only freedom when there are limitations.
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    Collin wrote:
    I'd say there is only freedom when there are limitations.

    Good point!
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    I have the freedom to say that this thread is kind of retarted.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I'm not talking about the future of moon civilizations. I was talking about an individual being able to find true freedom in space. You couldnt be able to do it, but there it is.

    You'd need a lot of Spam. And a lot of room to store it.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    I know.

    Is absolute freedom impossible to achieve? I'd say it is.

    interesting....If you ever go sailing...dont steer to far off in the distance...you will fall of the edge of the earth.

    Vedderpollution.
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    You'd need a lot of Spam. And a lot of room to store it.


    No shit.
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    No shit.

    FYI..white collar business men dont really care about you.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Yeah, this thread is kinda useless.

    What about true freedom? Why do I have to breathe air? Who's the asshole forcing me to do so? Why can't I choose to see in infra-red or x-ray? Who's to tell me what type light my eyeballs can detect? Why can't I fly without the use of a mechanical device like superman? Who decided that for me?

    Duh.

    Even the Universe obeys laws.
  • sonicreducersonicreducer Posts: 713
    freedom is snowboarding.
    you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
    ~Ron Burgundy
  • PearlStripesPearlStripes Posts: 267
    To which type of freedom do you refer? Obviously a broad topic and even philosophical (#17) - Are schizophrenics free? How about #'s 2, 7, etc? - Our society is tied to employment in order to buy goods, food, shelter, etc. We have to work to survive as a society here in the U.S., although there are some forms of welfare. As a nation, our economy depends on it. Are we truly free if we work, if we don't own means of our own production?

    1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
    2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
    3. the power to determine action without restraint.
    4. political or national independence.
    5. personal liberty, as opposed to bondage or slavery: a slave who bought his freedom.
    6. exemption from the presence of anything specified (usually fol. by from): freedom from fear.
    7. the absence of or release from ties, obligations, etc.
    8. ease or facility of movement or action: to enjoy the freedom of living in the country.
    9. frankness of manner or speech.
    10. general exemption or immunity: freedom from taxation.
    11. the absence of ceremony or reserve.
    12. a liberty taken.
    13. a particular immunity or privilege enjoyed, as by a city or corporation: freedom to levy taxes.
    14. civil liberty, as opposed to subjection to an arbitrary or despotic government.
    15. the right to enjoy all the privileges or special rights of citizenship, membership, etc., in a community or the like.
    16. the right to frequent, enjoy, or use at will: to have the freedom of a friend's library.
    17. Philosophy. the power to exercise choice and make decisions without constraint from within or without; autonomy; self-determination.
  • Vedderlution_BabyVedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    miller8966 wrote:
    FYI..white collar business men dont really care about you.


    oh, you got me!
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    macgyver06 wrote:
    it doesnt reside in the U.S.

    where is it?

    regulated capitalism.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • Last ExodusLast Exodus Posts: 782
    macgyver06 wrote:
    it doesnt reside in the U.S.

    where is it?
    are you in prison?
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Death
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Freedom is mission accomplished. Freedom feels like the end of the day, a job well done.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Freedom is choice.

    Plain and simple, freedom is choice. When you go to buy salad dressing you have the freedom to select out of 75+ different dressings.

    Happiness is lack of choice.

    When you don't have to decide between 75 dressings and just choose either ranch, italian or thousand island, it's way easier and much more gratifying.

    Because happiness is relative and synthetic happiness is the same as "real" happiness. It's arguable that people in authoritarian states live happier lives.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • taratara Posts: 293
    macgyver06 wrote:
    it doesnt reside in the U.S.

    where is it?

    "freedom's just another word for nothing left to do"
    jerry garcia

    freedom is a state of mind, but living in a country that lets you choose helps out a lot too
    No problem can be solved from the same consciousness that created it.
    Albert Einstein
  • ThumbingMyWay32ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Freedom is whatever Bush says it is isn't it?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Freedom is the opportunity to do something or to not do it. If you're going to do then it is also how much of said action your going to do.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    tara wrote:
    "freedom's just another word for nothing left to do"
    jerry garcia

    freedom is a state of mind, but living in a country that lets you choose helps out a lot too

    If that is really a grateful dead lyric, then jerry mustah ripped it from Janis Joplin's "Mc and Bobby McGee", which was written by Kris Kristofferson.

    And it goes: Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
    reigning champion

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
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