because none of what you say is "evidence", just your opinion. and i think i can make my own decisions about what i question and what i choose to ignore, thanks.
so, i don't think you answered my question- HOW can you be so sure that either clinton or obama would suddenly be "for the war" if they talk about a gradual withdrawl now?
and what im saying is not opinion its fact.. open your mind.. what you are arguing is opinion... everyone telling everyone a phased withdrawal is whats best while at the same time providing no knowledge or insight as to why ITS BEST
sure, anything's possible. but i don't believe that EVERYTHING that EVERYONE (other than ralph nader) says is riddled with conspiracy and bullshit. sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
what do you envision our sudden withdrawl would leave in its wake?
Are you insinuating that I view everything everyone says is a conspiracy or bullshit? If so, what are you basing this on?
Less troops being killed in a pointless war. Less Al Qaeda coming in from surrounding areas to fight our troops. Less of us there arming two sides of a civil dispute that we have no means of be able to stop and in fact, have only been making worse. Less tax dollars being wasted on perpetual war that is pointless and rejected by the american taxpayers. More money to start flowing into social programs and the educational system. Less money going to war profiteers. Less hostility from other countries towards us because of our greedy occupation.
The withdrawal doesn't have to be 'sudden' as in everyone get out right this minute, anyways....to say that is to exaggerate my points in an attempt to make it seem like you have one.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The withdrawal doesn't have to be 'sudden' as in everyone get out right this minute, anyways....to say that is to exaggerate my points in an attempt to make it seem like you have one.
i'm not doing anything of the sort. you guys are talking "immediate", i said "sudden". is there really such a big diff? shall we argue semantics now, is that what we're reduced to? :rolleyes:
neither of you have answered my question as it applies to IRAQIS. what does immediate withdrawl mean for those left behind? (and "immediate" would prolly take a few months, anyway, btw, considering the logistics of removing thousands of troops and millions of tons of equipment, not to mention support personnel, hired security companies, etc...)
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
i'm not doing anything of the sort. you guys are talking "immediate", i said "sudden". is there really such a big diff? shall we argue semantics now, is that what we're reduced to? :rolleyes:
neither of you have answered my question as it applies to IRAQIS. what does immediate withdrawl mean for those left behind? (and "immediate" would prolly take a few months, anyway, btw, considering the logistics of removing thousands of troops and millions of tons of equipment, not to mention support personnel, hired security companies, etc...)
I have never said we should up and leave all at once. I have always agreed with a phased withdrawal starting immediately, should have started last year. There is a difference, I'm sure you realize between the two.
And I have addressed the question of the Iraqis if we withdrawal in other threads.
Here's one and it contains many questions that no mainstream candidate wants to bother addressing.
See, as a supporter of the majority of obamas policies, i wish he would be more specific in relation to his stance on the war. He talks of a withdrawal and redeployment. But what does that mean exactly. I want to see a phased withdrawal starting sooner rather than later.
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and what im saying is not opinion its fact.. open your mind.. what you are arguing is opinion... everyone telling everyone a phased withdrawal is whats best while at the same time providing no knowledge or insight as to why ITS BEST
fucking bullshit and you know it.
Are you insinuating that I view everything everyone says is a conspiracy or bullshit? If so, what are you basing this on?
Less troops being killed in a pointless war. Less Al Qaeda coming in from surrounding areas to fight our troops. Less of us there arming two sides of a civil dispute that we have no means of be able to stop and in fact, have only been making worse. Less tax dollars being wasted on perpetual war that is pointless and rejected by the american taxpayers. More money to start flowing into social programs and the educational system. Less money going to war profiteers. Less hostility from other countries towards us because of our greedy occupation.
The withdrawal doesn't have to be 'sudden' as in everyone get out right this minute, anyways....to say that is to exaggerate my points in an attempt to make it seem like you have one.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i'm not doing anything of the sort. you guys are talking "immediate", i said "sudden". is there really such a big diff? shall we argue semantics now, is that what we're reduced to? :rolleyes:
neither of you have answered my question as it applies to IRAQIS. what does immediate withdrawl mean for those left behind? (and "immediate" would prolly take a few months, anyway, btw, considering the logistics of removing thousands of troops and millions of tons of equipment, not to mention support personnel, hired security companies, etc...)
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
I have never said we should up and leave all at once. I have always agreed with a phased withdrawal starting immediately, should have started last year. There is a difference, I'm sure you realize between the two.
And I have addressed the question of the Iraqis if we withdrawal in other threads.
Here's one and it contains many questions that no mainstream candidate wants to bother addressing.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5349643&postcount=19
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and to the original poster, yes, Mike Gravel is a good man.
this cuts deep with me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxMOGgUiCLw&mode=user&search=