Mike Gravel offers...

macgyver06
macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
edited April 2008 in A Moving Train
an immediate withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Iraq.

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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    So we go in and blow up their infrastructure, put in a government that isn't worth shit, cause civil unrest through the whole country, and then just leave in the dark of the night?

    I want this war to end as much as the next person, but there are more responsible options instead of throwing the Iraqi people under the bus for something they had nothing to do with.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    So we go in and blow up their infrastructure, put in a government that isn't worth shit, cause civil unrest through the whole country, and then just leave in the dark of the night?

    I want this war to end as much as the next person, but there are more responsible options instead of throwing the Iraqi people under the bus for something they had nothing to do with.


    listen. you cannot give people freedom... you can only take it away.. they have to fight for themselves... more of our soldiers dying and British soldiers dying is a waste of life... history is being written in disillusionment!

    we go invade Iraq on false premises... we take out their leader... we blow up their infrastructure.. we prolong the civil unrest in the country that has been in the works for years upon years upon hundreds of years... and we introduce a government that will ultimately destroy the peaceful int he region... than we vanish... we take very single troop out of that hell of a country... its 130 degrees and blowing sand... there are bombs that cannot and will not EVER BE SEEN... our troops are not getting shot and they are not losing battles... they are waiting around for sandmen to blow the shit out of them while they sleep eat and walk around someone elses country.

    its now or later... they can be home by February (executive order) or they can wait to meet their deaths... they can't stop whats coming.

    and you sheep cant stop following the latest headlines which time and time again are proving to be false... how many lies must you swallow?
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    So we go in and blow up their infrastructure, put in a government that isn't worth shit, cause civil unrest through the whole country, and then just leave in the dark of the night?

    I want this war to end as much as the next person, but there are more responsible options instead of throwing the Iraqi people under the bus for something they had nothing to do with.


    how can you say you care about the ending of a war you dont even understand on your own yet.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    people defending their land don't give a shit about your country and its politics... is that so hard to grasp...
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    listen. you cannot give people freedom... you can only take it away.. they have to fight for themselves... more of our soldiers dying and British soldiers dying is a waste of life... history is being written in disillusionment!

    we go invade Iraq on false premises... we take out their leader... we blow up their infrastructure.. we prolong the civil unrest in the country that has been in the works for years upon years upon hundreds of years... and we introduce a government that will ultimately destroy the peaceful int he region... than we vanish... we take very single troop out of that hell of a country... its 130 degrees and blowing sand... there are bombs that cannot and will not EVER BE SEEN... our troops are not getting shot and they are not losing battles... they are waiting around for sandmen to blow the shit out of them while they sleep eat and walk around someone elses country.

    its now or later... they can be home by February (executive order) or they can wait to meet their deaths... they can't stop whats coming.

    and you sheep cant stop following the latest headlines which time and time again are proving to be false... how many lies must you swallow?

    1) I agree with the VAST majority of your post.

    2) What lies am I swallowing and how am I being a sheep? I have a personal belief that since we started this problem we have to be very careful in how we get out. You don't knock a girl up and leave her when she's seven months along because you're tired of dealing with her mood swings. That would be a douchebag move. Anything other than a phased withdrawl would be a douchebag move on our part.

    I want all of our troops home tomorrow, but if we leave like Gravel proposes, we'll be back there in no time because of the genocide that would take place eventually.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    1) I agree with the VAST majority of your post.

    2) What lies am I swallowing and how am I being a sheep? I have a personal belief that since we started this problem we have to be very careful in how we get out. You don't knock a girl up and leave her when she's seven months along because you're tired of dealing with her mood swings. That would be a douchebag move. Anything other than a phased withdrawl would be a douchebag move on our part.

    I want all of our troops home tomorrow, but if we leave like Gravel proposes, we'll be back there in no time because of the genocide that would take place eventually.


    what genocide? who told you this??


    also

    who are you trying to impress ...who is the U.S. trying to impress by saying...hey look... we are here till we are all dead... what country is impressed by this occupation... name one country we should be bowing to... all this talk about being a uper power and a leader seems like bullshit when we are constantly making decisions seemingly with other ''super powers'' other leaders in mind... who are we trying to impress... it makes no sense.. we could be saving lives... we could be building a defense... instead we are building a pipeline which we will hand controls over to a ridiculous country...

    the whole thing is about money.. and now they have convinced the citizens that leaving at once is the cowardly thing to do....

    its unbelievaaaaaaaaaaaaableeee.... the same guys who told you that iraq (who didnt have war planes) had wmds are now telling you that an immediate withddrawal is the cowardly act...


    lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll


    you deserve barack obama
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    people defending their land don't give a shit about your country and its politics... is that so hard to grasp...

    Again, I don't want to pressure our form of anything on them. I just think anything other than a phased withdrawl is a bad move on our part.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Again, I don't want to pressure our form of anything on them. I just think anything other than a phased withdrawl is a bad move on our part.


    ok so you made it a point in saying you think we just have a phased withdrawal... since this liek all other government statements is veeeeeeeeeeeeery vague



    who goes first??? the guys defending the pipeline... the guys escorting oil tankers... the guys escorting consultants and engineers?? the guys in the green zone that take mortar rounds and rpgs and random grenade attacks.... the guys going to villages trying to get information from shiites and sunnis and getting nowehere because they dont cooperate... the marines laying in the sand with sniper rifles looking for suspicious and routine behavior.


    if you care so much about the people liekw e alllll sayyy we dooo...


    why not round these people up and bring them here???


    ahhahahahaa


    wait wait wait



    lemme guess....




    they would take our jobs :)


    false sympathy... is their a pill in this country for that?
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    sorry if i sound like an ass... it gets tiring hearing the same ridiculous statements over and over and over again

    and these candidates are actually gonna get votes for this...


    its funny to me...
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    what genocide? who told you this??


    also

    who are you trying to impress ...who is the U.S. trying to impress by saying...hey look... we are here till we are all dead... what country is impressed by this occupation... name one country we should be bowing to... all this talk about being a uper power and a leader seems like bullshit when we are constantly making decisions seemingly with other ''super powers'' other leaders in mind... who are we trying to impress... it makes no sense.. we could be saving lives... we could be building a defense... instead we are building a pipeline which we will hand controls over to a ridiculous country...

    the whole thing is about money.. and now they have convinced the citizens that leaving at once is the cowardly thing to do....

    its unbelievaaaaaaaaaaaaableeee.... the same guys who told you that iraq (who didnt have war planes) had wmds are now telling you that an immediate withddrawal is the cowardly act...


    lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll


    you deserve barack obama

    This has nothing to do with any other nations or trying to impress them.

    What part about leaving a country overnight that we have put into a state of disarray, on the brinks of a full blown civil war, and with no stable government in place makes sense to you?
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    This has nothing to do with any other nations or trying to impress them.

    What part about leaving a country overnight that we have put into a state of disarray, on the brinks of a full blown civil war, and with no stable government in place makes sense to you?



    civil war??? can you elaborate.. you think the war is between whom... the Shiites and the Sunnis?
  • fragileblake
    fragileblake Posts: 716
    If my Grandpa was president he would do the same thing. Lets start threads about him!
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    sorry if i sound like an ass... it gets tiring hearing the same ridiculous statements over and over and over again

    and these candidates are actually gonna get votes for this...


    its funny to me...

    You do sound like an ass. You have the thought in your head that anyone who wants a phased withdrawl is on the same page as the neo-cons and only cares about making money in Iraq.

    That isn't the case at all. I feel this way because we owe it to the Iraqi (not the corps making profits) people to see this through and ensure that there is at least some security in their country that we fucked up royally.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    wherever you get your news.. and whomever you get your news from .. im hoping you remember how much they knew about this region before the war started and why everyone was in awe when the tanks moved through the deserts unopposed.


    they get their information on the fly

    so coming to an argument with opinions on top of opinions i think is foolish when you look at the regions history and stability over thousands of years.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    You do sound like an ass. You have the thought in your head that anyone who wants a phased withdrawl is on the same page as the neo-cons and only cares about making money in Iraq.

    That isn't the case at all. I feel this way because we owe it to the Iraqi (not the corps making profits) people to see this through and ensure that there is at least some security in their country that we fucked up royally.



    we did not fuck their country up. thats absurd.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    You do sound like an ass. You have the thought in your head that anyone who wants a phased withdrawl is on the same page as the neo-cons and only cares about making money in Iraq.

    That isn't the case at all. I feel this way because we owe it to the Iraqi (not the corps making profits) people to see this through and ensure that there is at least some security in their country that we fucked up royally.


    i wish i had the luxury of picking and choosing which one of your points to attack like you do with mine... but im looking for truth... you claim to have found the best way... and i question why is your opinions and everyone elses opinions change and form with media information and new ideas... and why in 3 months no one will be talking about phased withdrawals anymore...
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    civil war??? can you elaborate.. you think the war is between whom... the Shiites and the Sunnis?

    If you don't believe that Iraq is going to fall into a state of civil war than you're crazy. The Shiite dominated government is the biggest threat to Iraq without question.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    If you don't believe that Iraq is going to fall into a state of civil war than you're crazy. The Shiite dominated government is the biggest threat to Iraq without question.



    their and your war prophecies do not scare me. I read numbers, facts and history of the country and see patterns... i look at our history, our rhetoric... our facts and see patterns...

    I dont understand your motivations, i dont understand what our governement expects to gain from the continuation of this..


    no one can seem to answer that...


    why is it the case?


    this is what we are looking at if i were to only get my news from fox and other TV MEDIA


    Hussein funds terrorists so he is part of the problem
    Iraq has WMDS
    Iraq is now MOving the WMDs.. look at these pictures and footage
    Iraq won't let our inpectors in (they did)
    Iraq is hiding the WMDS from the inspectors
    We Invade Iraq
    We reach Baghdad
    We capture the leader we helped install
    We give him up tot he people who want to kill him
    they kill him
    attacks and random bombs are killing troops and citizens
    attacks are Saddams army
    attacks are Al qaeda
    attacks are linked to Iran
    attacks are sunnis
    attacks are shiites
    diplomatic attacks from a newly shitte government
    attacks on the green zone
    attacks are de-civilized citizens
    weapons are missing from caches
    attacks are coming from within
    attacks are coming from insurgents
    attacks are again al-qaeda
    attacks must be iranian hired
    attacks are now labeled from terrorist

    we must stay inside and have a phased withdrawal.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    macgyver06 wrote:
    and why in 3 months no one will be talking about phased withdrawals anymore...


    Did you look into the future to make that comment? Iraq will be the centerpiece of this campaign.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    what happened to... if we cut the funding off.. they will be forcced to bring the troops home led?

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