Where could the U.S. get that many AK-47's

macgyver06
macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
they arent made here ans are they still in production after our talks of ak-47s a while back on here?


also..why are they handing out the ak-47... these things can be made into bombs!!!
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Anything to keep it all rolling...

    you'd be surprised....very..
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Anything to keep it all rolling...

    you'd be surprised....very..

    you are only supposed to be able to get these on a black market in poor countries and oppressed states...


    are we the black market for these people???
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    macgyver06 wrote:
    you are only supposed to be able to get these on a black market in poor countries and oppressed states...


    are we the black market for these people???

    190,000 AK-47's is a lot of guns. That's a lot of metal in general.

    I get the feeling there's immense weapon caches in various warehouses that are unreported.

    In the arena of international arms deals, morals come around very far and few.

    When it comes to war...anything goes apparently...and usually does.
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  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    macgyver06 wrote:
    they arent made here ans are they still in production after our talks of ak-47s a while back on here?


    also..why are they handing out the ak-47... these things can be made into bombs!!!
    Maybe they were all pre-invasion Iraqi army issued that were captured and/or confiscated - minus the ones that were looted.

    Of course, that means they were actually trying to save the taxpayers some money - so more likely they overpaid some government contractor to buy them on the black market.
  • Hartydog
    Hartydog Posts: 2,060
    macgyver06 wrote:
    they arent made here ans are they still in production after our talks of ak-47s a while back on here?


    also..why are they handing out the ak-47... these things can be made into bombs!!!

    I'm sure they could purchase them directly from a variety of manufacturers around the world.

    And for your 2nd question AK's have always been considered very simple to use and cheap. Those are the big reasons for their popularity around the world.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Hartydog wrote:
    I'm sure they could purchase them directly from a variety of manufacturers around the world.

    And for your 2nd questin AK's have always been considered very simple to use and cheap. Those are the big reasons for their popularity around the world.

    They're also extremely dependable and accurate on the first shot. You can get lots of sand in them and if you clean it out they'll work. That's why so many Muslim Extremists use them.
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  • Rushlimbo
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    CorporateWhore wrote:
    They're also extremely dependable and accurate on the first shot. You can get lots of sand in them and if you clean it out they'll work. That's why so many Muslim Extremists use them.

    I love it when chickenhawks read manuals on guns. Or was this tidbit in one of Pat Buchanan's books you worship?
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    macgyver06 wrote:
    also..why are they handing out the ak-47... these things can be made into bombs!!!

    Ok, maybe I shouldn't be asking this given your screen name, but I own a few AK's and I can't figure out how to make one into a bomb. Please elaborate.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Probably purchased them from our Chinese friends. :)
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    The basic design of the Kalashikov rifle has been around since 1947... thus, the Name, ArmsKalashnikov-1947. It isn't only made in Russia (and other former Soviet States), China and Czechoslovakia... it is manufactured all over the place. From Eastern European (former Warsaw Pact Nations) to India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq and Egypt.
    Because of it's huge tolerances, the weapon is easy to manufacture, extremely durable, easy to clean and maintain and is less likely to jam under extreme conditions. It also will fire a greater variety of rounds than the U.S. M-16... you can use M-16 rounds in an AK-47, but not the other way around.
    The downside is that it is inaccurate in the longer ranges... although the Russian made one are definately the best ones. The bootlegged AKs are not something you'd want to face the Americans with M-16s in open warfare... but, in street fight... or an airport... it does what they want it to do.
    The ones in Iraq... I suspect come mainly from Iraq.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    I love it when chickenhawks read manuals on guns. Or was this tidbit in one of Pat Buchanan's books you worship?

    Must you insist on being annoying in every post?

    You can learn many things from the History channel, which is where I learned about the AK-47.
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Cosmo wrote:
    The basic design of the Kalashikov rifle has been around since 1947... thus, the Name, ArmsKalashnikov-1947.

    Avtomat Kalashnikova 1947
    It also will fire a greater variety of rounds than the U.S. M-16... you can use M-16 rounds in an AK-47, but not the other way around.

    The AK-47 is chambered in 7.62x39. The AK-74 is chambered in 5.45x39. The M-16 fires 5.56 NATO.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    69charger wrote:
    Avtomat Kalashnikova 1947



    The AK-47 is chambered in 7.62x39. The AK-74 is chambered in 5.45x39. The M-16 fires 5.56 NATO.
    ...
    Yeah... wasn't sure of the 'A'... I figured it was NATO signature for small Arms.
    And in Viet Nam... the jungle fighters preferred the AK (which a lot of U.S. military men preferred, too... although it was strongly opposed by commanders and political leaders... didn't want to upset the people at Colt Firearms with photos of U.S. GIs firing Commie guns). The AK's were good close in fighting weapons and they were able to fire stolen M-16 rounds.
    Plus, the jungle took it's toll on those early M-16s... referred to by our soldiers as the 'Jammin' Jenny'. The last thing you want to happen to you during an exchange of fire is to have your goddamn weapon jam.
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    The AK's were good close in fighting weapons and they were able to fire stolen M-16 rounds.

    I don't think you understood my point. A rifle chambered in 7.62x39 cannot fire a 5.56 NATO round. The AK could never have fired "stolen M-16 rounds" and vice-versa.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    isnt the ak...gas powered also...are these things known to overheat and blow up in your hand?
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    69charger wrote:
    I don't think you understood my point. A rifle chambered in 7.62x39 cannot fire a 5.56 NATO round. The AK could never have fired "stolen M-16 rounds" and vice-versa.
    ...
    Sorry... I stand corrected.
    I checked with my local sources (Viet Nam Vets here at work) and according to them, it was the ammo from the M14, not the M-16, that could be fired (at possible risk) from a (probably Chinese manufactured) AK-47... but, the M14 was not capable of firing rounds from the AK.
    These guys have a wealth of personal stories... the reliability is possibly questionable (but, not to me... they were there, I wasn't, so I don't question)... but, I'll check with some of the other Vets, later.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I think the AK-47 could fire a peanut lethally if necessary.
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  • 69charger
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    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Sorry... I stand corrected.
    I checked with my local sources (Viet Nam Vets here at work) and according to them, it was the ammo from the M14, not the M-16, that could be fired (at possible risk) from a (probably Chinese manufactured) AK-47... but, the M14 was not capable of firing rounds from the AK.
    These guys have a wealth of personal stories... the reliability is possibly questionable (but, not to me... they were there, I wasn't, so I don't question)... but, I'll check with some of the other Vets, later.

    They may be talking about 7.62x51 NATO that the M14 fired. The Russian Dragunov fires a 7.62x54R round. I suppose you could fire the shorter NATO round in the Dragunov? The bolt would still close, but in the M14 the larger Russian round would not allow the bolt to go into battery resulting in the rifle exploding in your face. I don't think it's something you'd want to make a habit of doing, but if you ran out of ammo in a war zone I guess you'd try anything at that point.
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    69charger wrote:
    I own a few AK's

    What for? (Is that even legal?)

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