Can we stick a fork in Hillary?

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    Since I really don't know alot about US elections how exactly does all that debt work and how does it get paid back? I mean if she drops out today, who pays off the debt? Is she allowed to keep fund raising and asking for donations? Does the Democratic party pay it? Does Bill write a check with his book money?

    To be honest, I really don't know. Today she loaned more money to her campaign, so I guess that she would just lose out on that money if the campaign shuts down.

    I've wondered about where the money goes after elections too... if the loser's campaign still has money in the bank, where does that go?
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/justinwebb/2008/05/the_end.html
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    blackredyellow wrote:
    To be honest, I really don't know. Today she loaned more money to her campaign, so I guess that she would just lose out on that money if the campaign shuts down.

    I've wondered about where the money goes after elections too... if the loser's campaign still has money in the bank, where does that go?


    Oh I didn't realize this was her loaning money to her campaign, I thought it was like bank loans or loans from other people or something. I would think if she quits then she is pretty much screwed as far as the money goes, unless she runs again in 4 years and pays herself back? Maybe?

    As far as what they do if they have money, I asked this on another board, and I think someone said you can either give it back, donate it to the national party, or save it in a trust for your next campaign (like for the presidency again or the senate or something).
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Hillary will drop out before June 15th????

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/hillary-will-drop-out-by_b_100625.html
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    What's the total that she's loaned her campaign??? It's north of $10 million now, isn't it???
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    tybird wrote:
    What's the total that she's loaned her campaign??? It's north of $10 million now, isn't it???

    $11.245 million
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    ledvedderman wrote:
    $11.245 million
    :eek: :eek: :eek: That's a bunch of books sold, speeches given and shady land-deals.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Hillary will drop out before June 15th????

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/hillary-will-drop-out-by_b_100625.html


    If she is going to stretch it that long, it's going to have to be a VERY lean campaign. I can't see her having much success fund-raising at this point.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    rumor is she wont drop out until Obama takes on her debt.

    At this point even if Florida and Michigan were allowed to count, she would still lose. She really doesnt have a leg to stand on any more.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    If that is what it takes...I'm down for it.

    John McCain has said way too much wacky shit to give him a free pass for the next 6 weeks.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    ledvedderman wrote:
    If that is what it takes...I'm down for it.

    John McCain has said way too much wacky shit to give him a free pass for the next 6 weeks.

    Maybe the Clinton attack dogs will turn their attention to McCain... that would be nice to see for a while.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    The question should be if Hillary did win, what would Obama fans do about it?

    Would they rise off their couches, and for how long afterwards?
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The question should be if Hillary did win, what would Obama fans do about it?

    Would they rise off their couches, and for how long afterwards?

    The question is moot.

    But... Rise for what? Some supporters would be disgusted and stay home on election day, some would find another candidate, and some would vote for Hilary.... not real hard of a question.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    blackredyellow wrote:
    The question is moot.

    But... Rise for what? Some supporters would be disgusted and stay home on election day, some would find another candidate, and some would vote for Hilary.... not real hard of a question.

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Yeah, as much as the ditto-heads yap about patriotism and loving this country, using a vote (that so many people fought so hard to gain), just for the intent of trying to cause havoc in a primary, doesn't sit well with me.

    Did you think the same in 2000, when Democrats crossed over to vote for McCain in order to fuck with Bush? Rush didn't invent "operation chaos."

    You can't blame anybody for doing anything within the rules. If you want to change the open primary rules, I'd be all for it.
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    Seems Hilary will bring the entire party down around her.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Commy wrote:
    Seems Hilary will bring the entire party down around her.
    If that's what it takes to win, so be it Jedi. Interesting article about her willingness to continue the fight in the current Rolling Stone.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Did you think the same in 2000, when Democrats crossed over to vote for McCain in order to fuck with Bush? Rush didn't invent "operation chaos."

    You can't blame anybody for doing anything within the rules. If you want to change the open primary rules, I'd be all for it.

    If people did it just to screw with Bush (and the republican primary), then absolutely, I think the same.

    I don't remember about a concentrated effort then to do it, but it would have been wrong. I would guess too, that a lot of Dems crossed over to vote for McCain because they thought he was a better candidate than Bush or Gore (no doubt he was).
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,337
    blackredyellow wrote:
    If people did it just to screw with Bush (and the republican primary), then absolutely, I think the same.

    I don't remember about a concentrated effort then to do it, but it would have been wrong. I would guess too, that a lot of Dems crossed over to vote for McCain because they thought he was a better candidate than Bush or Gore (no doubt he was).

    Open voting needs to be done away with.
    Here in AZ, they have closed voting and it assures that nobody on the other team is going to fuck with the results.
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    well, Michigan where Obama took himself off the ballot voluntarily and Florida are still out there and she's a lawyer... so I guess we see what the rules really mean to the democratic party whether they mean to stick to thier word or let this one go to court.

    This one is definately going to the convention and maybe past it.
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