How can I still be undecided?
humanlight
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The big day is tomorrow, and I have not idea what I am going to do!
Obama is my favorite pick, however, he is anti-coal, and I am from WV. This state lives off of coal. Most of my family would loose their jobs if Obama gets rid of the coal industary.
McCain...well, I just can't imagine another 4 years like the last 8. Enough said.
WTF do I do?
Obama is my favorite pick, however, he is anti-coal, and I am from WV. This state lives off of coal. Most of my family would loose their jobs if Obama gets rid of the coal industary.
McCain...well, I just can't imagine another 4 years like the last 8. Enough said.
WTF do I do?
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Keep in mind. Obama is not against coal. He's for "Clean Coal".
He's been qouted as saying:
"We need to transition from coal burning power plants built with old technology to plants built with advanced technologies".
What you do is prioritize. If neither candidate 100% represents your views, you pick the one that is closer to your views.
You might want to go the Obama website - he does state his views on coal, and says he wants to "invest in the technology that will allow us to use more coal, America's most abundant energy source, with the goal of creating 5 first of a kind coal-fired demonstration plants with carbon capturing sequestration so they are not adding to global warming". I believe this is what is termed 'clean coal' technology, and it definitely does not say he is going to 'get rid of the coal industry'. Hopefully this is helpful!
edit: Your family does not need to know how you vote - we have a secret ballot for a reason.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
Yea, I am all for clean coal. But from what I understand, he was saying to make the coal plants "clean" it would be too expensive. So, I think he is thinking of just using other materials. Which, typically, I am a big tree hugger, and I rationally understand that. However, it would be devistating to my state.
Read what I wrote above your post - I typed in his words spoken on his website on this issue, verbatim. He states coal, specifically.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
But my family will ask me, and I either have to say that I didn't vote, or a I voted for McCain. So, I think my options are as of today, not voting or lying to my family.
Good luck
I think it is tough to say what will happen here. Most people I know, 25+ and well educated love Obama, but the "old timers" would never vote for a dark skinned president. Then throw in the coal thing...yea, I bet we swing towards McCain.
coal is not going away...no matter who gets elected, they will still be digging...
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/coal.html
You can always say that to your family... "I voted for Obama, but I did so knowing that McCain will still win WV."
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I guess I'm saying there are people involved with mining who are on opposite sides of the fence.
Inform yourself. Look at the canditates on the issue of coal and beyond. What ever side you pick, your family has no right to decide your vote for you.
This is your vote; It's not their vote.
GO VOTE!!!
Whatever you do, don't let a message board sway your vote. Think about the issues and make a decision for yourself. That way you can rest easy.
If not, just vote McCain.
I empathize with you ... your family is obviously very important to you ... although mine is as well - i'm way too independent to allow family pressure to dictate my choices ... i think if you have a reasoned approach - so, be it ... the only person you have to answer to is yourself ...
maybe lying here is the best option if you don't vote for mccain ... and when the coal mine is still in tact IF obama wins - you can throw it back into their faces ...
Very funny. Just not an enourmous fan of either one. I definately sway towards Obama. Here is another question. Should people like me even vote. Here is what I mean....(before all of you gets your panties in a mess).....I have watched the news (which is biased) and comercials, read articles, watched debates, etc...but I still have not idea where they stand on some issues b/c it is PC information. So, if I don't fully understand their positions, should I go vote. Shouldn't olny politically educated people vote?
No, everyone is entitled to vote. There's no way possible to be able to know everything fully about any candidate. Also, as you know, it's impossible to predict the future. One can simply make as educated a guess as possible.
That said, IMHO what you can do is ask yourself which platform you prefer. Look at the Democratic platform and look at the Republican platform. Regardless, of the idiosyncratic attributes of the two candidates, their goals are their party's platform. Read both and make a decision on which you prefer.
http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/
http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html
Go to the source. Read up on the issues; straight from the horses mouth.
http://www.barackobama.com
http://www.johnmccain.com
Don't rely on the media and your family to filter the information and form your opinion for you.
It's never an easy choice; but that's what makes it so important.
Oh and do what's good for YOU! You can lie to your family... besides don't ya know that neither candidate will stick to their word anyway
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This^^^. People often say they don't know where the candidates stand, but then make no effort to find out. Its right on those sites, what they are saying.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008
simple- vote for obama, and give a listen to what he has to say about coal. he's not "anti-coal" per se- he wants to invest in low-emissions coal plants, among other ideas for giving us energy independence and reducing greenhouse gasses. here's his whole energy plan:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/factsheet_energy_speech_080308.pdf
voting for mccain IS voting for more of the same as the last 8 years. if you don't want that, the choice is pretty clear.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
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to the OP ... seriously, read the "Issues" on these sites and go with how you feel.
Never ... I mean NEVER vote for someone because someone else told you to, whether it be family, friends, message board pundits
Believe me, if you do a little studying and make your own choice, you'll feel good about it.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
don't 'LET' your family decide your vote.
deep down you know that you can never expect any real change to happen if you keep supporting it's obstruction. things stay a cycle until you stop taking part.
don't underestimate the power behind your intention and if you just vote to keep someone else from winning instead of who you truly believe in then change will NEVER come. the reason politicians get away w/ being so ineffectual is b/c they know the voting majority feels as if their vote belongs to just these 2 corporate parties and they just need to be a little better than the other guy
take a stand. the election won't be decided by a sinlge vote in your state, will it?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Yeah so sit back and do nothing about it. Great approach.
Your ass must really get sore from spending so much time on the fence.
Or do you blame that on Politician's too?
so if i vote for someone other than the 2 parties i am 'doing nothing'?? what would my vote for them be doing, exactly?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I've got to say this...Kabong is not a fence sitter at all...
he's been pretty open about that...
I'm sorry but I can't except the argument that there is no difference between a McCain Presidency and an Obama Presidency. To me this is an utterly false and uninformed comment. It's show's an utter lack of understanding towards what these 2 candidates and parties represent if nominated.
Now I understand that there must obviously be some glaring difference between your 3rd Party option (if you have one) and McCain and Obama. But that being said...Do you honestly believe that if elected that your 3rd Party candidate would have a chance in hell of getting any of their ideas passed?
NO.
Want to know why? Because a 3rd Candidates have no representation in Government. What the fuck is the point of voting for someone, getting them elected, and then having them get each and every one of their ideas shot down because they have no party representation in government?
To me that is a waste of time.
And if guys like Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, and these other guys are running on something other than sheer EGO ans SPITE...which I doubt that they are...What the hell do they actually think they are going to acomplish if elected?
You see. I respect alot of these ideas coming from Nader, and Ron Paul and some of the other 3rd Party Candidates. But I believe they are doing nobody any good throwing their names on the ticket as a matter of spite.
If they really want to get serious, and if YOU really want to get serious CHANGE and have a viable 3rd PARTY some prominence in this country, then you are going to have to PLAY THE GAME. You are going to have to get 3rd Party Candidates nominated on the STATE and LOCAL level. Get some representation in government before you run a 3rd party for President.
Otherwise you are wasting your time, vote, and are just pissing in the wind.
i guess he's still singing the same old sad, tired song- "obama isn't progressive ENOUGH, therefore i will write in "nader" and let my vote go down the drain, again." it's sung to the tune of "mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be democrats," but slower.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7