this just makes me sick!!

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    know1 wrote:
    So if people try to live in the wolves habitat, would it be OK to kill them (the people)?

    yes; and if you walked into a lions den; it would be ok for the lion to kill you. YOU are the invader. i cohabitate with a large mountain lion population. sure we lose cattle; but we brought the cattle into the lions habitat. what do you expect?
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    onelongsong wrote:
    when you put cattle and sheep in the wolves habitat; yes; it's ok.
    ...
    Then the solution seems real simple... don't put cattle and sheep in wolves habitats.
    ...
    I see a similar thing here in Southern Cal... people complain about mountain lions after they build their fucking houses in mountain lion country. The answer is real simple... don't build your house where mountain lions live. There are plenty of houses already... whadda say we fix up the run down neighborhoods instead of moving to a place where bears and pumas will eat your toddlers?
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    well here's where we run into the real problem. what is wild anymore? can we as humans move into the forest and wipe out all that makes it the forest, just so we can live a life free of worry and care? do we owe anything to the natural world into which we are intruding?

    how would you feel if someone wiped out your house so they could live there? and then came after you with a gun?

    i think that if people are moving into wild places then they should expect some encounters with wild animals. we should try to control animals that have a history of undesirable encounters with humans, but we should leave the animals alone if they are not harming anyone.

    Umm...the wolves would kill you if they got the chance. I'm taking a roundabout way to make a point here. People seem all upset that the wolves would be killed, but the reason they are being killed is because THEY KILL sheep, etc. So which is right - killing wolves or killing sheep?
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    you don't know much about wolves, do you?

    I know a bit. I know they are shy and do not make it a point to hunt down people. But....in the dead of winter when food is scarce, if you happen to be in their territory, you might be at risk.

    That wasn't my point, anyway. See the addition to my post above.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    know1 wrote:
    People seem all upset that the wolves would be killed, but the reason they are being killed is because THEY KILL sheep, etc. So which is right - killing wolves or killing sheep?

    Wolves killing sheep or man killing wolves because he needs his sheep alive so he can kill them?
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Collin wrote:
    Wolves killing sheep or man killing wolves because he needs his sheep alive so he can kill them?

    But we kill a lot more sheep in this country than we do wolves, so why are we valuing the life of a wolf over that of a sheep?
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    so let's just rid the world of any risk to humans.

    fuck me.

    You're misunderstanding me. I'm on your side with us. I'm arguing from a different perspective to try and point out the faults of that side.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Collin wrote:
    Wolves killing sheep or man killing wolves because he needs his sheep alive so he can kill them?
    ...
    And there you have it... think of the wolves as a middle man. They kill 'em, you eat 'em.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    i could seriously give a shit about a few sheep or a few cattle getting killed by wolves. the sheep and cattle are not indigenous, the wolves are.

    Actually the wolves in question were killed off in the 1920's. In 1995 wolves were transported down from Canada and reintroduced into the region and they have populated much quicker than anticipated which is why the idea of hunting them has come into question.

    So theoretically wolves are indigenous to the Idaho wilderness, but those wolves had been killed off so farmers and ranchers who for generations didn't have to worry about wolves now have to worry about them.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    know1 wrote:
    But we kill a lot more sheep in this country than we do wolves, so why are we valuing the life of a wolf over that of a sheep?

    Are you going to eat wolves' meat? Shave it and use it's fur as a coat? Breed them like cattle?
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Collin wrote:
    Are you going to eat wolves' meat? Shave it and use it's fur as a coat? Breed them like cattle?
    ...
    I know... sheep suck. Although... they make good seat covers.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    dude, sheep are awesome. my wife love 'em...she spins, dyes, and weaves their wool in the traditional navajo way.

    and there's nothin' like mutton!
    ...
    Not a big fan of mutton. But, i'll give you the wool thing. And they do make cozy linings on leather flight jackets.
    ...
    It's just that... man, do sheep stink or what?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I'm pretty sure they use the stomach bile to make cosmetics too.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    know1 wrote:
    Umm...the wolves would kill you if they got the chance. I'm taking a roundabout way to make a point here. People seem all upset that the wolves would be killed, but the reason they are being killed is because THEY KILL sheep, etc. So which is right - killing wolves or killing sheep?

    the natural food for wolves is buffalo and elk. a wolf normally won't bother a human because there isn't enough meat for a pack of wolves.
  • sapperskunk
    sapperskunk Posts: 684
    Collin wrote:
    Are you going to eat wolves' meat? Shave it and use it's fur as a coat? Breed them like cattle?


    Hell yeah! ;)



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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    onelongsong wrote:
    the natural food for wolves is buffalo and elk. a wolf normally won't bother a human because there isn't enough meat for a pack of wolves.

    Actually, I think they eat a lot of small animals too.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    sapperskunk wrote:
    Hell yeah! ;)


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  • western pearl
    western pearl Posts: 632
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm pretty sure they use the stomach bile to make cosmetics too.

    That's good. Get the most out of em' that you can.
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  • halv
    halv Posts: 716
    I signed. good luck!!
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    know1 wrote:
    Actually, I think they eat a lot of small animals too.

    the younger ones will keep the rabbit population in check and the babies will eat mice. yellowstone reintroduced the wolves to keep the buffalo population in check. if you get the chance; watch THUNDERBEAST on the national geographic channel. they also control the elk population.

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