Reason's for war in Iraq...

Dustin51

This is a thread to discuss what the real reasons for the Iraq war were and are and how you feel about them.

Does anyone believe we went into Iraq to disarm them because we were afraid they would attack us?

Does anyone think that we went there for humanitarian reasons? Free the people from tyranny and all that…

Are we there to protect financial interests?

If so, then what are the consequences of not protecting those interests?

Assuming the consequences are dire, e.g. China would have a hold on the world market, opec moves further and further from the dollar, our economy collapses…etc etc..just imagine the government believe's the result would be a full economic collapse.

Would you be happier with our government if they were honest about their reasons? (Assuming the haven’t been honest to this point)

Would you still reject the war?

I know I’m making quite a few jumps with my assumptions but I had this debate with a few friends yesterday and came across some interesting answers. I’m curious what the members of this board think.

soulsinging

becos the admin needed a distraction from bin laden and felt they had the capital to settle an old score with saddam, and the american people bought it becos most of them are ignorant and don't know that plural reasons do not need an apostrophe, let alone that they were being lied to by the admin

Dustin51

soulsinging wrote:

becos the admin needed a distraction from bin laden and felt they had the capital to settle an old score with saddam, and the american people bought it becos most of them are ignorant and don't know that plural reasons do not need an apostrophe, let alone that they were being lied to by the admin

You dont think our reasons were financial at all?

You think it was just to settle a score?

I might agree with that in the sense that it is possible we simply wanted to prove who has the biggest swinging dick on the block...I do not believe it was the only reason though.

By the way...if you could check my grammar I'd appreciate it. Thanks. lol

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Watch some John Pilger documentaries...preferably all of his works.

Then you will understand why...

Bonzo

There are NO reasons for ANY war in our world today. We (humans) should concentrate on fighting a common cause (the nature, sea, forests..), let people think for themselves and stop fighting each other.

The ONLY reasons for the war in Iraq are selfish, financial reasons. Children are dying of hunger every day in this world and nobody cares, so I think human rights are out of the question..

Do not believe what you are told, Free your mind!!

soulsinging

Dustin51 wrote:

You dont think our reasons were financial at all?

You think it was just to settle a score?

I might agree with that in the sense that it is possible we simply wanted to prove who has the biggest swinging dick on the block...I do not believe it was the only reason though.

By the way...if you could check my grammar I'd appreciate it. Thanks. lol

no problem. i was an english major... i cant turn it off

and no, i truly don't think it was financial. i think that was a perk and made it easy to get some people on board and use them to convince others. but i think the initial drive was solely a muscle-flexing exercise... a cowboy tactic to remind the world who's boss. it didnt work. we just look like a fucking bully.

Cosmo

Dustin51 wrote:

This is a thread to discuss what the real reasons for the Iraq war were and are and how you feel about them.

--Does anyone believe we went into Iraq to disarm them because we were afraid they would attack us?
The American people believed this... because this is what the Bush Administration TOLD the American people.

--Does anyone think that we went there for humanitarian reasons? Free the people from tyranny and all that…
If this were the case... there are more brutal places on the planet than Iraq. Why put Iraq at the top of the list?
So, my answer is NO... we didn't want to save none of those fucking towelheads. If anything... we wanted to NUKE them. Saving them was excuse number Three... after Weapons of Mass Destruction and al Qaeda Terrorist Central didn't pan out. Sort of our own personal 'Plan 9'.

--Are we there to protect financial interests?
We are there to protect the financial interest of multi-natinal corporations whose stocks are sold in our exchanges.

--If so, then what are the consequences of not protecting those interests?
The multi-national corporations will seek the aid of another country.

--Assuming the consequences are dire, e.g. China would have a hold on the world market, opec moves further and further from the dollar, our economy collapses…etc etc..just imagine the government believe's the result would be a full economic collapse.
So, then... if money is what matters... all that other crap about protecting American lives or saving poor Iraqis is bullshit.
And we should have thought about the consequences when we handed out all of the manufacturing jobs to China and helped the rise of a COMMUNIST NATION.
And seriously... so WHAT if China becomes the economic power... we blew it and handed it over to them by beig such dicks. We are heading to becomne the next England. Not such a bad thing.

--Would you be happier with our government if they were honest about their reasons? (Assuming the haven’t been honest to this point)
Yes. And i would be happier if I shit gold bricks... but, neither is gonna happen.

--Would you still reject the war?
Yes. I have rejected it from the start because it is not the right war for us to be fighting.

--I know I’m making quite a few jumps with my assumptions but I had this debate with a few friends yesterday and came across some interesting answers. I’m curious what the members of this board think.
Thank you.

Kel Varnsen

soulsinging wrote:

no problem. i was an english major... i cant turn it off

and no, i truly don't think it was financial. i think that was a perk and made it easy to get some people on board and use them to convince others. but i think the initial drive was solely a muscle-flexing exercise... a cowboy tactic to remind the world who's boss. it didnt work. we just look like a fucking bully.

I agree with a lot of this. There were I think a bunch of people in the Bush administration who thought Saddam was behind 9/11 from day one. On top of that after the Afghan war started to drag on they realized a slow step-by-step war in the mountains (while it might have worked) wasn't really a good way to show off all those billions of dollars worth of military hardware (since you can't really show your results on TV). Now a "shock and awe" campaign is something you can show every night on TV and people will take notice. Personally I think the concept of overthrowing a brutal dictator is a good one, it is just in this case it was just planned so poorly from the start that it had no chance.

sponger

The reasons for initiating the war and continuing the war are completely different.

soulsinging

sponger wrote:

The reasons for initiating the war and continuing the war are completely different.

then why were we not informed of that beforehand so we, the people of the united states, could decide whether or not it was something we felt was a good investment of our tax dollars?

slightofjeff

soulsinging wrote:

then why were we not informed of that beforehand so we, the people of the united states, could decide whether or not it was something we felt was a good investment of our tax dollars?

would it have mattered? I mean, I don't remember being consulted in the first place.

Congress voted, the president acted. And nobody asked me squat.

sponger

soulsinging wrote:

then why were we not informed of that beforehand so we, the people of the united states, could decide whether or not it was something we felt was a good investment of our tax dollars?

I don't think anybody in Washington was thinking that far ahead. It's known that some intelligence analysts foresaw the sectarian violence and the insurgency, but those predictions were ignored.

ndv180

I subscribe to the theories put forth in chapter 2 of Greg Palast's "Armed Madhouse". It's somewhat complicated to explain, but the main reason Sadaam Hussein had to go was that he was playing around with the oil markets by varying Iraq's production of oil and its relation to its quota set forth by OPEC. The neocon crowd wanted to get in there and double production and bust up OPEC. The big oil companies weren't going to allow this to happen and they didn't. Instead, Iraq's production of oil has been cut in half and that is why we see the gas prices we see today and the oil companies and Saudi's are making a killing.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sponger wrote:

The reasons for initiating the war and continuing the war are completely different.

Thanks....that made me chuckle...

lol

Commy

ndv180 wrote:

I subscribe to the theories put forth in chapter 2 of Greg Palast's "Armed Madhouse". It's somewhat complicated to explain, but the main reason Sadaam Hussein had to go was that he was playing around with the oil markets by varying Iraq's production of oil and its relation to its quota set forth by OPEC. The neocon crowd wanted to get in there and double production and bust up OPEC. The big oil companies weren't going to allow this to happen and they didn't. Instead, Iraq's production of oil has been cut in half and that is why we see the gas prices we see today and the oil companies and Saudi's are making a killing.

Yeah it was my understanding that Iraq was increasing the oil supply, cutting into the prifits of Exxon and co, so had to be eliminated. DEstroy Iraq's foundaries, reroute the oil through opec countries, and record profits ensue. ITs war for resources, like any other.

sponger

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Thanks....that made me chuckle...

lol

some people laugh when they are confused.

paracefan2002

Personally, I believe that dubya went into iraq was to complete what his father wasn't able to complete the first time around. Also, I believe that Bush wanted to line the pockets of his rich oil buddies. He mad a BIG mistake by starting this utterly uneccassary war. Being a Quaker, it's even harder to believe that he has no idea on how it's affecting the Iraqi people; what I mean is that innocent people have died because of his decision to go to war. What even infuriates me even more is that we, as a country are spending an obsene amount of money that can be more wisely spent; aka fixing the healthcare system, buliding new schools, I can go on forever on what needs fixing in this country. Feel free to contact me at paracefan2002@mail.com. Finally, since the war has began, more than almost 4,000 U.S. soldiers killed and more than 60,000 wounded
700,000 Iraqis killed and 4 million refugees. How messed up is that? GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!!!

p.s.- Hopefully, Barack Obama will be president, and get us out of this mess and unite the country again.
*info about war provided by http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

MasterFramer

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Sludge Factory

soulsinging wrote:

no problem. i was an english major... i cant turn it off

and no, i truly don't think it was financial. i think that was a perk and made it easy to get some people on board and use them to convince others. but i think the initial drive was solely a muscle-flexing exercise... a cowboy tactic to remind the world who's boss. it didnt work. we just look like a fucking bully.

can't

Steve Dunne

i've been saying this for 6 years now (yes, before the war)...

The US (well, the Bush/Cheney regime) went to war with Iraq so Bush would be a war-time president during his re-election campaign.

Case.

Closed.

macgyver06

Its a war for Oil. The more Oil safely controlled the higher the prices can be. This is good for people who hoard money. Like our Saudi friends...


lets remember...we went in because A country who didnt even have war planes supposedly had nuclear capabilities.


astonishing.