It was very ugly and snarky. But, the base loves that. God help us all.
I have no idea why people outside the tri-state area like Guilliani so much. The man is a corporate whore, he ran this city like a tyrant, and basically bankrupt the city and to add insult to injury signed a deal with the Yankees and Mets to allow public funding to help build the news stadiums before he left office. The city was already dead fucking broke but Rudy had to please his corporate masters.
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Despite how much I hate the man and practically everything he stands for, I do have some respect for Rudy. After 9/11, the country rallied around the President, as I did. I was just so angry, and as a NYC resident I had some friends that died. I remember being in Manhattan that day and being so angry that someone could do this to us. Looking back, Bush didn't really do anything special after that day...he just happened to be in office at the time. Giuliani got out there, however, and he did calm the city. It's hard to convey how chaotic that day was for everyone there, especially for people like me who were downtown at the time; it felt like the end of the world. And Rudy did not go to the bunker like President Bush; he was on the air telling the city not to worry. I hate how he's run on that moment since then, and particularly how he feels the Republicans "own" what happen on 9/11. It's sickening, but he was a calming force in the days after.
As a new yorker, i used to like rudy ... but last night he really embarassed himself ... i think he drank a little bit too much of the republican punch. as for his and palin's editorializing, it seemed too much like a SNL or Leno monologue, instead of a political speach.
I don't want to be hostile. I don't want to be dismal. But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
Despite how much I hate the man and practically everything he stands for, I do have some respect for Rudy. After 9/11, the country rallied around the President, as I did. I was just so angry, and as a NYC resident I had some friends that died. I remember being in Manhattan that day and being so angry that someone could do this to us. Looking back, Bush didn't really do anything special after that day...he just happened to be in office at the time. Giuliani got out there, however, and he did calm the city. It's hard to convey how chaotic that day was for everyone there, especially for people like me who were downtown at the time; it felt like the end of the world. And Rudy did not go to the bunker like President Bush; he was on the air telling the city not to worry. I hate how he's run on that moment since then, and particularly how he feels the Republicans "own" what happen on 9/11. It's sickening, but he was calming force in the days after.
I was there too and it wasn't Rudy who calmed the city down it was New Yorkers themselves who did that. We all pulled together that day to get through that tragedy. Also Rudy didn't go hide in his bunker because his bunker was downtown near the WTC center. He had no choice but to be out on the streets like everyone else.
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What's really awesome is that tonight the NFL starts on NBC before RNC. NFL games always run over. How many giants fans and redskins fans will straight bitch if they cut the game off early for Yoda's speech.
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I was there too and it wasn't Rudy who calmed the city down it was New Yorkers themselves who did that. We all pulled together that day to get through that tragedy. Also Rudy didn't go hide in his bunker because his bunker was downtown near the WTC center. He had no choice but to be out on the streets like everyone else.
Fair enough...I just felt being downtown that entire day and finally getting home at 1 in the morning it was reassuring to hear the leader of the city (who I admittedly despised) on the television trying to reassure the people. I agree with you that New Yorkers pulled each other up more than anyone else. It was just a very shitty week and a very shitty memory.
Let them debate foreign policy, and bombing countries into submission over resources.
It should get pretty quiet real fast...
debate what?
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Fair enough...I just felt being downtown that entire day and finally getting home at 1 in the morning it was reassuring to hear the leader of the city (who I admittedly despised) on the television trying to reassure the people. I agree with you that New Yorkers pulled each other up more than anyone else. It was just a very shitty week and a very shitty memory.
It was a very shitty day to say the least. I still get chills every time the PATH train pulls into the WTC. Just thinking that I was there not 5 minutes before the first plane hit.
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It was a very shitty day to say the least. I still get chills every time the PATH train pulls into the WTC. Just thinking that I was there not 5 minutes before the first plane hit.
Same...I took the 1 train to school everyday, and I just happened to get into school earlier than usual that day. If I remember right, I probably would have been underground when everything started happening. A consistently sobering thought, to say the least.
What really gets me, then, are these people telling that by voting for Obama, I have not learned the "lessons of 9/11" Who the hell are they to say such things? They dare say I want this to happen again? It's all they have to run on; if you vote for Obama, those planes will be flying into your buildings once again. More than anything, it's this mindset that makes me want them to be absolutely creamed come November.
Same...I took the 1 train to school everyday, and I just happened to get into school earlier than usual that day. If I remember right, I probably would have been underground when everything started happening. A consistently sobering thought, to say the least.
What really gets me, then, are these people telling that by voting for Obama, I have not learned the "lessons of 9/11" Who the hell are they to say such things? They dare say I want this to happen again? It's all they have to run on; if you vote for Obama, those planes will be flying into your buildings once again. More than anything, it's this mindset that makes me want them to be absolutely creamed come November.
Don't even get me started on that. I actually had someone on this message board tell me that I forgot about 9/11. I lost a good friend that day and, as I stated am constantly reminded every day that I come to work about that day, so to see this person say that to me simply set me off. I completely lost my shit and went off. If I remember correctly I was banned from posting for a day because of my response which, very uncharacteristic of me, was riddled with the most degrading personal insults my warped mind could conjure.
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Fair enough...I just felt being downtown that entire day and finally getting home at 1 in the morning it was reassuring to hear the leader of the city (who I admittedly despised) on the television trying to reassure the people. I agree with you that New Yorkers pulled each other up more than anyone else. It was just a very shitty week and a very shitty memory.
yeha, but anyone could have done that. in a tragedy, people look to authority for reassurance. any mediocre mayor with half a mind could have stood up on that day and told people to keep it calm and it would have reassured people. rudy just happened to be the one in office that day.
i think it was david cross who said something about how nader would have looked like a hard line, charismatic leader that day, but people act like he would have curled up in a hotel room with a bottle of whiskey and cried.
yeha, but anyone could have done that. in a tragedy, people look to authority for reassurance. any mediocre mayor with half a mind could have stood up on that day and told people to keep it calm and it would have reassured people. rudy just happened to be the one in office that day.
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agreed.
however.......it took our PRESIDENT over a week to show up? that's if i remember correctly. whatever the exact timeframe, as a NYer i was furious....and quite honestly, i think every american should've been embarassed and appalled that it took bushyboy that long to show up, show support, most especially with how he's handled things since then...it was a 'defining moment'...and he failed miserably, and has failed this country atrociously ever since.
Yes you are hearing that wrong, he is not slamming Islam.
as catch22 said ... what is he saying then?
and look what Rudy has done .... taken this thread and turned it into 9/11 discussion ... fear fear fear ... all the republican party knows. They didn't say anything they would do last night, they only said what, supposedly, Obama couldn't do ... neglecting to tell you the last 8 years have been a debacle under a Republican leader.
I'm the idiot? You're the one with San Francisco listed as your location.
For the record, I'm not the one who called you an idiot ... but, I AM living in San Francisco now ... what the hell does that have to do with anything?
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I'm the idiot? You're the one with San Francisco listed as your location.
I just wanted to wake you liberals up a little bit - this board is way too far left. I'm not a republican; I'll be voting for more democrats on my ballot this November than republicans, most notably for Bobby Bright, the democratic candidate for the District 2 congressional seat in Alabama.
I think its hilarious how people not from the bay think this is a great insult.
We are proud of San Francisco and the ideals. Its one of the few places in this country where you still feel free to be who you are and whatever you believe in is accepted, EXCEPT racist bigoted behavior.
So you can have your Alabama and I will take my San Fransisco and we can both be happy.
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i'd really like to know then... what is that comment saying?
What I took him to mean, is that be talking about Islamic terrorists the only people you are offending are terrorist (because that is who you are talking about). Nothing to do with Islam...more to do with Terrorist...that when speaking of terrorist, if you shouldn't try to be pc so that you don't hurt the terrorist's feelings.
I think its hilarious how people not from the bay think this is a great insult.
We are proud of San Francisco and the ideals. Its one of the few places in this country where you still feel free to be who you are and whatever you believe in is accepted, EXCEPT racist bigoted behavior.
So you can have your Alabama and I will take my San Fransisco and we can both be happy.
What really gets me, then, are these people telling that by voting for Obama, I have not learned the "lessons of 9/11" Who the hell are they to say such things? They dare say I want this to happen again? It's all they have to run on; if you vote for Obama, those planes will be flying into your buildings once again. More than anything, it's this mindset that makes me want them to be absolutely creamed come November.
The Republican fear-mongering worked in '04, so they're hoping to pull the same stunt again. It's too bad for McCain that Cheney doesn't like him or Dickie could rehash his BS about us being attacked again if a Dem is elected.
The Republican fear-mongering worked in '04, so they're hoping to pull the same stunt again. It's too bad for McCain that Cheney doesn't like him or Dickie could rehash his BS about us being attacked again if a Dem is elected.
And you don't think the Demoncrats are fearmongering? They are, just a different issue.
it would be refreshing for each side to come back to earth a little and just speak to the realities, as the realities are more than enough, you don;t have to embellish.
What I took him to mean, is that be talking about Islamic terrorists the only people you are offending are terrorist (because that is who you are talking about). Nothing to do with Islam...more to do with Terrorist...that when speaking of terrorist, if you shouldn't try to be pc so that you don't hurt the terrorist's feelings.
i think i see what you're saying. i'd have to see the speech to put it in context. it reads pretty bad though. and i don't think the point is about being PC, i think it's about demonstrating that we are aware terrorism is not limited to one religion and that our efforts to eradicate terrorism should be directed at all terrorism. it's a way of reassuring that this is not a holy war, which some of the rhetoric of the last 8 years makes it sound like at times. case in point: palin's claim that iraq was a war called for by god.
I think its hilarious how people not from the bay think this is a great insult.
We are proud of San Francisco and the ideals. Its one of the few places in this country where you still feel free to be who you are and whatever you believe in is accepted, EXCEPT racist bigoted behavior.
So you can have your Alabama and I will take my San Fransisco and we can both be happy.
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And you don't think the Demoncrats are fearmongering? They are, just a different issue.
it would be refreshing for each side to come back to earth a little and just speak to the realities, as the realities are more than enough, you don;t have to embellish.
see the bushies fear mongered of the threats that have not happened since 9/11 ... that this world is full of terrorists coming to get us ... every day in every corner of our live .... TERROR ALERT ORANGE!!!!
Obama's "fear mongering" is about REAL things that are going on now ... like the wars that are going on ... the failing economy ... these things, people can see every day.
I agree with you in that ... it would be nice if the drama, the strategy, the theatre of this whole fucking thing would just stop and they really would think about how to help heal this country, and get it out of the problems we currently have ...
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i think i see what you're saying. i'd have to see the speech to put it in context. it reads pretty bad though. and i don't think the point is about being PC, i think it's about demonstrating that we are aware terrorism is not limited to one religion and that our efforts to eradicate terrorism should be directed at all terrorism. it's a way of reassuring that this is not a holy war, which some of the rhetoric of the last 8 years makes it sound like at times. case in point: palin's claim that iraq was a war called for by god.
Kinda dangerous to put a mind-bender like that in a speech. It's bound to be misconstrued.
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Guiliani's speech was more like a Johnny Carson opening monologue - without being funny, of course - although I did laugh a lot, come to think of it. Where is Ed McMahon when you need him ?
Guiliani's speech was more like a Johnny Carson opening monologue - without being funny, of course - although I did laugh a lot, come to think of it. Where is Ed McMahon when you need him ?
i was going to say the same thing. it's like he's the shecky greene of the GOP convention and one liners are his only asset..
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It was very ugly and snarky. But, the base loves that. God help us all.
I have no idea why people outside the tri-state area like Guilliani so much. The man is a corporate whore, he ran this city like a tyrant, and basically bankrupt the city and to add insult to injury signed a deal with the Yankees and Mets to allow public funding to help build the news stadiums before he left office. The city was already dead fucking broke but Rudy had to please his corporate masters.
I was there too and it wasn't Rudy who calmed the city down it was New Yorkers themselves who did that. We all pulled together that day to get through that tragedy. Also Rudy didn't go hide in his bunker because his bunker was downtown near the WTC center. He had no choice but to be out on the streets like everyone else.
i'd really like to know then... what is that comment saying?
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Fair enough...I just felt being downtown that entire day and finally getting home at 1 in the morning it was reassuring to hear the leader of the city (who I admittedly despised) on the television trying to reassure the people. I agree with you that New Yorkers pulled each other up more than anyone else. It was just a very shitty week and a very shitty memory.
It should get pretty quiet real fast...
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It was a very shitty day to say the least. I still get chills every time the PATH train pulls into the WTC. Just thinking that I was there not 5 minutes before the first plane hit.
Same...I took the 1 train to school everyday, and I just happened to get into school earlier than usual that day. If I remember right, I probably would have been underground when everything started happening. A consistently sobering thought, to say the least.
What really gets me, then, are these people telling that by voting for Obama, I have not learned the "lessons of 9/11" Who the hell are they to say such things? They dare say I want this to happen again? It's all they have to run on; if you vote for Obama, those planes will be flying into your buildings once again. More than anything, it's this mindset that makes me want them to be absolutely creamed come November.
Don't even get me started on that. I actually had someone on this message board tell me that I forgot about 9/11. I lost a good friend that day and, as I stated am constantly reminded every day that I come to work about that day, so to see this person say that to me simply set me off. I completely lost my shit and went off. If I remember correctly I was banned from posting for a day because of my response which, very uncharacteristic of me, was riddled with the most degrading personal insults my warped mind could conjure.
yeha, but anyone could have done that. in a tragedy, people look to authority for reassurance. any mediocre mayor with half a mind could have stood up on that day and told people to keep it calm and it would have reassured people. rudy just happened to be the one in office that day.
i think it was david cross who said something about how nader would have looked like a hard line, charismatic leader that day, but people act like he would have curled up in a hotel room with a bottle of whiskey and cried.
agreed.
however.......it took our PRESIDENT over a week to show up? that's if i remember correctly. whatever the exact timeframe, as a NYer i was furious....and quite honestly, i think every american should've been embarassed and appalled that it took bushyboy that long to show up, show support, most especially with how he's handled things since then...it was a 'defining moment'...and he failed miserably, and has failed this country atrociously ever since.
Let's just breathe...
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Most Americans who voted for George W. Bush claimed that their primary reason for voting for him was his stances on national security and terrorism.
New York City, a place that obviously knows nothing about terrorism, voted overwhelmingly for John Kerry.
as catch22 said ... what is he saying then?
and look what Rudy has done .... taken this thread and turned it into 9/11 discussion ... fear fear fear ... all the republican party knows. They didn't say anything they would do last night, they only said what, supposedly, Obama couldn't do ... neglecting to tell you the last 8 years have been a debacle under a Republican leader.
For the record, I'm not the one who called you an idiot ... but, I AM living in San Francisco now ... what the hell does that have to do with anything?
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I think its hilarious how people not from the bay think this is a great insult.
We are proud of San Francisco and the ideals. Its one of the few places in this country where you still feel free to be who you are and whatever you believe in is accepted, EXCEPT racist bigoted behavior.
So you can have your Alabama and I will take my San Fransisco and we can both be happy.
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What I took him to mean, is that be talking about Islamic terrorists the only people you are offending are terrorist (because that is who you are talking about). Nothing to do with Islam...more to do with Terrorist...that when speaking of terrorist, if you shouldn't try to be pc so that you don't hurt the terrorist's feelings.
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And you don't think the Demoncrats are fearmongering? They are, just a different issue.
it would be refreshing for each side to come back to earth a little and just speak to the realities, as the realities are more than enough, you don;t have to embellish.
i think i see what you're saying. i'd have to see the speech to put it in context. it reads pretty bad though. and i don't think the point is about being PC, i think it's about demonstrating that we are aware terrorism is not limited to one religion and that our efforts to eradicate terrorism should be directed at all terrorism. it's a way of reassuring that this is not a holy war, which some of the rhetoric of the last 8 years makes it sound like at times. case in point: palin's claim that iraq was a war called for by god.
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see the bushies fear mongered of the threats that have not happened since 9/11 ... that this world is full of terrorists coming to get us ... every day in every corner of our live .... TERROR ALERT ORANGE!!!!
Obama's "fear mongering" is about REAL things that are going on now ... like the wars that are going on ... the failing economy ... these things, people can see every day.
I agree with you in that ... it would be nice if the drama, the strategy, the theatre of this whole fucking thing would just stop and they really would think about how to help heal this country, and get it out of the problems we currently have ...
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Kinda dangerous to put a mind-bender like that in a speech. It's bound to be misconstrued.
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agreed, it did NOT come out that way.
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sweet home alabama? this explains a lot of your posts...
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i was going to say the same thing. it's like he's the shecky greene of the GOP convention and one liners are his only asset..
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