Intellectually and morally confused

LifeWasted21LifeWasted21 Posts: 149
edited August 2006 in A Moving Train
thanks jackass
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  • yes, many on this board are confused. but i don't get the post?????
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    thanks jackass
    damn strait!!!
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Hey!, NO NAME CALLING, genious.. thats what got this board shut down last week.
    I'm pretty sure this was in reference to Donald Rumsfeld's comments. I'm also pretty sure Kat doesn't care if we call Donald Rumsfeld a jackass :)
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    hippiemom wrote:
    I'm pretty sure this was in reference to Donald Rumsfeld's comments. I'm also pretty sure Kat doesn't care if we call Donald Rumsfeld a jackass :)
    ha ha!.. I'll edit that. ;)
  • oops, yea sorry guys. Forgot to copy and paste the link.


    But isnt anyone else sick of being treated as a moron for disagreeing?

    wow. If i argued with my friends like that im pretty sure id have even less friends
  • But isnt anyone else sick of being treated as a moron for disagreeing?

    No, because the way someone else treats me has no bearing on my conscience. If Skeletor wants to call me a moron, he's more than welcome to do it. I just hope he doesn't want me to care.
  • No, because the way someone else treats me has no bearing on my conscience. If Skeletor wants to call me a moron, he's more than welcome to do it. I just hope he doesn't want me to care.

    It does matter if you are trying to actually hold a conversation with a person and they just completely judge you and dismiss your view. You may say 'Then don't bother talking to them anymore.' But it gets very frustrating and discouraging when the communication just shuts down like that.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • acutejamacutejam Posts: 1,433
    The biggest challenge to communication is overcoming the illusion that it has occurred....
    [sic] happens
  • It does matter if you are trying to actually hold a conversation with a person and they just completely judge you and dismiss your view. You may say 'Then don't bother talking to them anymore.' But it gets very frustrating and discouraging when the communication just shuts down like that.

    The frustration you feel is that person owning you. Don't allow people like Donald Rumsfeld to own you.
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Rumsfeld is a blithering moron. Americans surely see that, by now.
  • robbierobbie Posts: 883
    NMyTree wrote:
    Rumsfeld is a blithering moron. Americans surely see that, by now.



    no, americans do not see that. we americans are astonishingly stupid. i saw a poll yesterday that said 65 percent disapprove of how the bush admin handled katrina, with 35 percent approving. look, i know everyone blew it on katrina, the mayor, the governor, fema, and the president, so im not blaming everything on buswh...BUT the fact that 35 percent of americans APPROVE of how bush handled Katrina is very telling. it is hard to imagine, but thats where we stand. the administration treats us like we are stupid because WE ARE STUPID. look at more polls, i think that something like 39 percent approve of how the bush admin is HANDLING iraq. not if we should be there or not, not if we should fight terrorism or not, but HOW HE IS HANDLING IT, take a walk down the street, and force yourself to realise that 4 out of every 10 people you see APPROVE of how this admin is HANDLING iraq!!!!!! 3.5 out of those 10 people APPROVE of how they HANDLED katrina!!!!!!! i am DEEPLY ashamed of my country. how can these numbers even be possible?????????
    so, no, americans do not realize Rumsfeld is a blithering moron. most of us may, but a LARGE number of us DO NOT.
  • acutejamacutejam Posts: 1,433
    Rumsfeld, right man at the right time in the right place. As I've heard it said and agree with, "He's a freaking ruthless bastard, but he's our bastard."

    A Vietnam Vet has said:

    Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident. The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. ... Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. ... The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day.
    [sic] happens
  • The frustration you feel is that person owning you. Don't allow people like Donald Rumsfeld to own you.

    Nope, that's not it.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • acutejam wrote:
    The biggest challenge to communication is overcoming the illusion that it has occurred....


    How profound...
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • acutejam wrote:
    The biggest challenge to communication is overcoming the illusion that it has occurred....

    And how do overcome the illusion that an illusion occurred?
  • Nope, that's not it.

    But it is. Your negative reaction is yours, not theirs. It takes your active subjugation to them to value their reaction over your own self-esteem.

    When you stop letting a person like that own you, you cease caring what they call you. And that's precisely the moment they can no longer get out of you what they want when they refer to you as a "moron" or a "coward" or a "traitor" or any of the other bullshit labels that are used to instill in you frustration and hopelessness.
  • But it is. Your negative reaction is yours, not theirs. It takes your active subjugation to them to value their reaction over your own self-esteem.

    When you stop letting a person like that own you, you cease caring what they call you. And that's precisely the moment they can no longer get out of you what they want when they refer to you as a "moron" or a "coward" or a "traitor" or any of the other bullshit labels that are used to instill in you frustration and hopelessness.


    I don't feel hopelessness, more like aggravation. We all get aggrevated in moments llike that from time to time...yes, even you. Now go psychoanalyze someone else.;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    People give Rumsfeld ammo ... They really do. Not everyone, obviously, but some ... There's healthy opposition to a government that has indeed done some pretty bad things. And then there's going so far in the other direction that people get even more polarized.
  • I don't feel hopelessness, more like aggravation.

    What's aggravation if not the loss of hope...loss of hope in the possibilty of resolution? Aggravation requires intensification and intensification requires a fuel. That fuel cannot come from another -- it comes from inside you. Withdraw the fuel and you'll withdraw the aggravation.
    We all get aggrevated in moments llike that from time to time...yes, even you.

    Of course.
    Now go psychoanalyze someone else.;)

    That wouldn't be nearly as interesting. But if you wish.
  • What's aggravation if not the loss of hope...loss of hope in the possibilty of resolution? Aggravation requires intensification and intensification requires a fuel. That fuel cannot come from another -- it comes from inside you. Withdraw the fuel and you'll withdraw the aggravation.

    Aggrevation is annoyance, irritation....try as you might, aggravation does not equal hopelessness. :) If I lost hope about it then it wouldn't bother me at all. I'd be like: 'Oh well, fuck em.' But I do hope for civil discourse and open means of communicating so I get aggravated when that starts to break down. I don't lose hope because I still try....maybe even harder than before. Maybe I shouldn't let these things irritate me but if I feel strongly about something I'm trying to discuss, it just does....just how I'm wrapped, I guess. I've never been ashamed of my emotions or abundance of them. Yeah, I might get worked up and even have my feelings hurt from time to time...but when I experience life I experience it with intensity and I wouldn't trade that for the world. :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Aggrevation is annoyance, irritation....try as you might, aggravation does not equal hopelessness. :) If I lost hope about it then it wouldn't bother me at all. I'd be like: 'Oh well, fuck em.' But I do hope for civil discourse and open means of communicating so I get aggravated when that starts to break down. I don't lose hope because I still try....maybe even harder than before. Maybe I shouldn't let these things irritate me but if I feel strongly about something I'm trying to discuss, it just does....just how I'm wrapped, I guess. I've never been ashamed of my emotions or abundance of them. Yeah, I might get worked up and even have my feelings hurt from time to time...but when I experience life I experience it with intensity and I wouldn't trade that for the world. :)

    This is all good.
  • This is all good.


    The ffg seal of approval!

    fo shizzle
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • The ffg seal of approval!

    fo shizzle

    Don't get too excited. I'm no notary.
  • Don't get too excited. I'm no notary.

    I will try to contain myself.

    *regains composure*
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • TaftTaft Posts: 454
    Kat wrote:

    Olbermann's comments were amazing. Too bad the Bush supporters are too dumb to understand them...they can't get past the elementary good v. evil crap.
  • Taft wrote:
    the elementary good v. evil crap.

    Please define "good" and "evil".
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    What is with the Yankee admin. Everything that they are they try and peg on the anti crowd? Nice work. I see a few on the board buy into it, hook, line and sinker.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • TaftTaft Posts: 454
    Please define "good" and "evil".

    That is my point you cannot define "good" and "evil", but if you watch Bush's speech today, that is how he tries to simplify the state of the world right now, good v. evil. And those who vote[d] for him fall for it because they are either too lazy or too dumb to actually do research.
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